From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/84070 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: john Culleton Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: texlive vs. Context minimal on Windows Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:56:26 -0400 Organization: WexfordPress Message-ID: <20130901125626.0b9e78a4@localb.wexfordpress.net> References: <20130831084315.05428682@wexfordpress> <20130831114057.1f651c04@localb.wexfordpress.net> <522263BE.3050002@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378194145 27902 80.91.229.3 (3 Sep 2013 07:42:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:42:25 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Sep 03 09:42:29 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGlFr-0005Ga-9L for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:42:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C182410246; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:40:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Ly9bfXpXy+q5; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:40:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F4410213; Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ED9101E4 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:39:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Ceo86AMdOiuh for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:39:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from submission1-til.mf.surf.net (submission1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.212]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2C51022F for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-utr.mf.surf.net (filter1-utr-v6.mf.surf.net [IPv6:2001:610:0:800e:195:169:124:152]) by submission1-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r81Grlb2025316 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:53:47 +0200 Original-Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe2d:43:76:96:30:80]) by filter1-utr.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r81GvpLN027801 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:57:52 +0200 Original-Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KsFD1m0021u4NiLA8sxqa1; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 16:57:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localb.wexfordpress.net ([68.50.233.152]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ksxo1m00Q3HwwZ88hsxosb; Sun, 01 Sep 2013 16:57:49 +0000 In-Reply-To: <522263BE.3050002@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1378054670; bh=UmbEoupDVBKLpdz2/kpovc+0MkjpLny9Bck/unmze1E=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mime-Version: Content-Type; b=lo5MjVLuLPkhEvg01jXpnK2BTuye2R4L0hoOUG0Go+r5VpgbOncB/ENMOHYNSzQXJ LbvZ6qg+8Gn9udCeuF2CJdrPvir1o3Q30FDBs+b931+u2B+4InVRAIYEkhRtR3UGKT SQuo1Fmpe75OxGfIijrsfgm2no9F8RB8a4aGUQ8gQtvwingKXLW0mtGWlwjbwrd2mu vD6IJmDk2ZD0iG55Zuvu/u7WgtkGzp277+vOit+k+QgrWHaccM05woNo72Q+m8XALQ 3F2PNBC2rDvNvjgd1wZ06Vg33/RxUsQ8OSkf90/2D/zYeglXu5nO/+OODILKNoelEG Kx7TJEDyJMqfQ== X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=2001:558:fe2d:43:76:96:30:80; country=US X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 07KjQVPD7 - eda8504a1669 - 20130901 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:40:32 +0200 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:84070 Archived-At: On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 23:44:30 +0200 Hans Hagen wrote: > On 8/31/2013 5:40 PM, john Culleton wrote: > > > If there were a way to download minimals or the full context suite > > for windows as an iso image I would be home free. But fate is not > > so kind to me. > > installing the garden via rsync (one can even be more monimal with an > initial --engine=luatex install as then successive runs will also > only download luatex only) is way more efficient than an > (uncompressed and carrying all engines) iso image each update > > Hans > > In the general case, affecting 99.9% of Context users that is the best strategy. I am however caught in an unusual situation. I have two computers at my work station, both Syx (Systemax) computers and both delivered without any OS. I installed Linux on both and they work just fine. When I install Windows XP or Windows 7 on either machine there is a problem with the ethernet connection. But my projected customer base is likely of the Windows persuasion. Turning now to my template design, it is easiest for me if I use plain instead of either Context or Latex formats. Luatex would be an ideal candidate but for one thing. In pdftex and Context one can set protrusion at a large or a smaller amount. The large version is too large for a novel. However luatex hasn't advanced that far. I assume that it will one day and that an updated version of luatex will show up in your distros long before texlive is updated. In the meantime I am beating at the virtual doors of the support people for Systemax looking for the correct Windows driver for ethernet. Perhaps the protrusion problem has already been solved in your latest luatex. I will check it out on my (linux) version of Context standard. If not I will retreat to pdftex (gasp) for my template. Protrusion and microtypography are two advantages of TeX and InDesign for the novel writer. I need to be able to demonstrate those advantages when offering my template. As a reminder: I don't have a problem with documents I create here. I am a bit fiddler from way back. It is the potential users of my templating system that I am concerned about. Telling them that they must modify a file buried in the innards of TeX is a bridge too far. -- John Culleton Wexford Press Free list of books for self-publishers: http://wexfordpress.net/shortlist.html PDF e-book: "Create Book Covers with Scribus" available at http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________