Bugs in linenumbering ?

Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Stéphane Goujet]

Hello,


  Here is an example that highlights a few problems I have with
linenumbering.

  When the line numbers are located in the margin, everything is fine.

  But when the number is located in the text:
1) Text overflows in the right margin.
2) Paragraph indenting does not work. We can even see a kind of right
indentation appear.

1+2 => First line of the paragraph is too short, netx ones are too long.

3) linenumbering does not work within footnotes (neither with line
numbers in margin nor in text).


  Perhaps (3) is not implemented, but I suppose (1) and (2) are not
the expected behaviour.


==============================

\setuppapersize[A4]
\setupindenting[yes,first,medium]

\definelinenumbering[lnbasic]
\definelinenumbering[lntext]
\definelinenumbering[lntextandnullwidth]
\definelinenumbering[lntextandwidth]

\setuplinenumbering[lnbasic][]
\setuplinenumbering[lntext][location=text]
\setuplinenumbering[lntextandnullwidth][location=text,width=0pt]
\setuplinenumbering[lntextandwidth][location=text,width=.75em]

\starttext

{\bf A normal paragraph for reference}. \input tufte

\startlinenumbering[lnbasic]
{\bf Numbers in margin : correct right margin, paragraph indentation.}
\input tufte \stoplinenumbering

\startlinenumbering[lntext]
{\bf Numbers in text, default width : overflow, no indentation of the
first line but some kind of right indentation!} \input tufte
\stoplinenumbering

\startlinenumbering[lntextandnullwidth]
{\bf Numbers in text, 0 width : no overflow but overtype on numbers,
same problem with indentation.} \input tufte
\stoplinenumbering

\startlinenumbering[lntextandwidth]
{\bf Numbers in text, average width : average overflow, same problem
with indentation.} \input tufte
\stoplinenumbering

It also affects the previous lines when {em line numbering} starts from
the middle of the line and not on a new paragraph.
\startlinenumbering[lntext]
{\bf Numbers in text, default width : overflow, no indentation of the
first line but some kind of right indentation!} \input tufte
\stoplinenumbering

Line numbering does not work in footnotes\footnote{
\startlinenumbering[lnbasic]
{\bf Numbers in margins.} \input tufte
\stoplinenumbering
}
\footnote{
\startlinenumbering[lntext]
{\bf Numbers in text.} \input tufte
\stoplinenumbering
}.

\stoptext

==============================


Goodbye,
  Stéphane.
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Re: Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/2/2014 3:17 PM, Stéphane Goujet wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>    Here is an example that highlights a few problems I have with
> linenumbering.
>
>    When the line numbers are located in the margin, everything is fine.
>
>    But when the number is located in the text:
> 1) Text overflows in the right margin.
> 2) Paragraph indenting does not work. We can even see a kind of right
> indentation appear.
>
> 1+2 => First line of the paragraph is too short, netx ones are too long.
>
> 3) linenumbering does not work within footnotes (neither with line
> numbers in margin nor in text).
>
>
>    Perhaps (3) is not implemented, but I suppose (1) and (2) are not
> the expected behaviour.
>
>
> ==============================
>
> \setuppapersize[A4]
> \setupindenting[yes,first,medium]
>
> \definelinenumbering[lnbasic]
> \definelinenumbering[lntext]
> \definelinenumbering[lntextandnullwidth]
> \definelinenumbering[lntextandwidth]
>
> \setuplinenumbering[lnbasic][]
> \setuplinenumbering[lntext][location=text]
> \setuplinenumbering[lntextandnullwidth][location=text,width=0pt]
> \setuplinenumbering[lntextandwidth][location=text,width=.75em]
>
> \starttext
>
> {\bf A normal paragraph for reference}. \input tufte
>
> \startlinenumbering[lnbasic]
> {\bf Numbers in margin : correct right margin, paragraph indentation.}
> \input tufte \stoplinenumbering
>
> \startlinenumbering[lntext]
> {\bf Numbers in text, default width : overflow, no indentation of the
> first line but some kind of right indentation!} \input tufte
> \stoplinenumbering
>
> \startlinenumbering[lntextandnullwidth]
> {\bf Numbers in text, 0 width : no overflow but overtype on numbers,
> same problem with indentation.} \input tufte
> \stoplinenumbering
>
> \startlinenumbering[lntextandwidth]
> {\bf Numbers in text, average width : average overflow, same problem
> with indentation.} \input tufte
> \stoplinenumbering
>
> It also affects the previous lines when {em line numbering} starts from
> the middle of the line and not on a new paragraph.
> \startlinenumbering[lntext]
> {\bf Numbers in text, default width : overflow, no indentation of the
> first line but some kind of right indentation!} \input tufte
> \stoplinenumbering
>
> Line numbering does not work in footnotes\footnote{
> \startlinenumbering[lnbasic]
> {\bf Numbers in margins.} \input tufte
> \stoplinenumbering
> }
> \footnote{
> \startlinenumbering[lntext]
> {\bf Numbers in text.} \input tufte
> \stoplinenumbering
> }.
>
> \stoptext

you probably didn't test with the beta because most looks ok

i've added support for notes (somewhat tricky)

\starttext

Here we have a footnote \footnote{%
     \startlinenumbering
         \input tufte
         \par % somehow needed
     \stoplinenumbering
}

\stoptext

with respect to text: you need to go narrower or set the distance to 
(e.g.) -1cm


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Re: Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 04/03/2014 04:19 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 4/2/2014 3:17 PM, Stéphane Goujet wrote:
>>
>> 3) linenumbering does not work within footnotes (neither with line
>> numbers in margin nor in text).
> 
> i've added support for notes (somewhat tricky)

Sorry, but I cannot refrain from asking: how about having line numbers
in \setupnote and being optional to have different or the same counting
than the rest of the page?


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Re: Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Stéphane Goujet]

Le Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:19:18 +0200,
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> a écrit :

> you probably didn't test with the beta because most looks ok

  Dammit, you are right. And yet I was using fairly recent versions
(25/03 and 27/03).


> with respect to text: you need to go narrower or set the distance to 
> (e.g.) -1cm

  It seems I can indeed get nice results with

\setuplinenumbering[location=text]
\startnarrower[left]
\startlinenumbering

  Thanks !


> i've added support for notes (somewhat tricky)
> 
> \starttext
> Here we have a footnote \footnote{%
>      \startlinenumbering
>          \input tufte
 A few numbers : 012345679.
>          \par % somehow needed
>      \stoplinenumbering
> }
> \stoptext

  Thank you again. To annoy you one more time, still one thing : the
font size of the line numbers is the one of the main text, no the
smaller one that numbers should have in the footnote part (just add a
few numbers in the footnote text to compare easily).


Faithfully yours,
  Stéphane.
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Re: Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Rik Kabel]

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On 2014-04-03 13:16, Stéphane Goujet wrote:
> Le Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:19:18 +0200,
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> a écrit :
>
>> you probably didn't test with the beta because most looks ok
>    Dammit, you are right. And yet I was using fairly recent versions
> (25/03 and 27/03).
>
>
>> with respect to text: you need to go narrower or set the distance to
>> (e.g.) -1cm
>    It seems I can indeed get nice results with
>
> \setuplinenumbering[location=text]
> \startnarrower[left]
> \startlinenumbering
>
>    Thanks !
>
>
>> i've added support for notes (somewhat tricky)
>>
>> \starttext
>> Here we have a footnote \footnote{%
>>       \startlinenumbering
>>           \input tufte
>   A few numbers : 012345679.
>>           \par % somehow needed
>>       \stoplinenumbering
>> }
>> \stoptext
>    Thank you again. To annoy you one more time, still one thing : the
> font size of the line numbers is the one of the main text, no the
> smaller one that numbers should have in the footnote part (just add a
> few numbers in the footnote text to compare easily).
>
>
>
As to the size in footnotes, try:

    \definelinenumbering[fntext]
    \setuplinenumbering[fntext][style=\ssxx]

or similar.

However, for the general case, there is still an issue with 
linenumbering that begins after the beginning of a paragraph. The 
work-around of \startnarrower cannot help in this case, since it appears 
to always start a new paragraph. Thus, it cannot be used to reproduce 
the form of quotation we are trying to replicate (from Thomas Bowdler, 
/The Family Shakespeare/, 1807):




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Re: Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Stéphane Goujet]

Le Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:01:04 -0400,
Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com> a écrit :


> However, for the general case, there is still an issue with 
> linenumbering that begins after the beginning of a paragraph. The 
> work-around of \startnarrower cannot help in this case, since it
> appears to always start a new paragraph. 

  Have you tried \startnarrower[before=] ?

  I haven't yet, but I will go back to it soon.
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Re: Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Stéphane Goujet]

Le Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:01:04 -0400,
Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com> a écrit :

> On 2014-04-03 13:16, Stéphane Goujet wrote:
> > Le Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:19:18 +0200,
> > Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> a écrit :
> >
> >> with respect to text: you need to go narrower or set the distance
> >> to (e.g.) -1cm
> >    It seems I can indeed get nice results with
> >
> > \setuplinenumbering[location=text]
> > \startnarrower[left]
> > \startlinenumbering
> >
> >> i've added support for notes (somewhat tricky)
> >>
> >> \starttext
> >> Here we have a footnote \footnote{%
> >>       \startlinenumbering
> >>           \input tufte
> >   A few numbers : 012345679.
> >>           \par % somehow needed
> >>       \stoplinenumbering
> >> }
> >> \stoptext

> As to the size in footnotes, try:
> 
>     \definelinenumbering[fntext]
>     \setuplinenumbering[fntext][style=\ssxx]

  If I could avoid defining another set of different macros, I would
prefer... (For I have already 2 start macros, 2 stop macros, and 1
intermediate macro: it already lacks a bit of automatising).

 
> However, for the general case, there is still an issue with 
> linenumbering that begins after the beginning of a paragraph. The 
> work-around of \startnarrower cannot help in this case, since it
> appears to always start a new paragraph.

  So, with the [before=] (and [after=] for continuing text after
\stopnarrower), it is possible.

  Here is what I have done so far. Not too bad a result, but there are
still 2 main problems:
-- when the quotation begins after the beginning of the paragraph, the
whole paragraph is affected by *narrower*;
-- when the text continues after the end of the quotation, it is
impossible to insert the *\par* that, as Hans noticed and told us, is
needed to have *narrower* work, so it is as if there was no *narrower*
and the whole line numbering of the paragraph is messed up.

and 2 minor ones:
-- no paragraph indentation in footnotes.
-- Alignment of the first quoted paragraph in respect to the following
quoted paragraphs is not perfect (because I use different symbols for
the quotation opening («) and the quotation repetition (»), I guess).
But this point is good enough for me.


==========================
\setuppapersize[A4]
\enableregime[utf-8]
\mainlanguage[fr]
\language[fr]
\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
\setupindenting[first,yes,medium]

\setupnotation[footnote][location=margin]

\define\repsym{»}
\newdimen\repshift
\repshift=.75em
\definelinenumbering[repcite]
\setuplinenumbering[repcite][location=text,command=\repmark,before=,after=]
\definelinenumbering[repcitel]
\setuplinenumbering[repcitel][location=text,command={\repsym\gobbleoneargument}]
\defineexpandable[1]\repmark{\doifnot{#1}{1}{\repsym}}

\definenarrower[narcite][left=\repshift,before=,after=]

\define\startbloccite{\startnarcite[left]\setupindenting[first,yes,\dimexpr\parindent-\repshift]\startlinenumbering[repcite]«}
\define\startbloccitel{\startnarcite[left]\setupindenting[first,yes,\dimexpr\parindent-\repshift]\startlinenumbering[repcitel]«}
\define\stopbloccite{»\par\stoplinenumbering\stopnarrower}
\define\stopbloccitel{»\stoplinenumbering\stopnarrower}

\define\bloccitepar{\stoplinenumbering
\par
\startlinenumbering[repcite]\leavevmode\hbox to\repshift{\repsym}\hskip0pt
}


\starttext

First check: «normal spacing of guillemets».

Second check: a normal paragraph, to show {\bf normal right margin limit}.
\input tufte


«Third check : paragraph starting with guillemets.»

Let's start with a quote block on a {\bf new line} :

\startbloccite
%First paragraph ({\bf quote repetition symbol is really not wanted here}): \input tufte (\the\hsize)
Second paragraph ({\bf indenting and margins are correct}): \input tufte
\bloccitepar
Second paragraph ({\bf indenting and margins are correct}): \input tufte
\bloccitepar
Third paragraph ({\bf now I put a different sentence here to check hyphenation.
Weird, it looks OK now, I cannot reproduce the overflow.}): \input tufte
\stopbloccite

Now, a quote block starting just there, {\bf in the middle of a line}
({\bf the problem is that \char`\\startnarrower affects the whole paragraph :
every lines are narrowed, even the ones before the environment starts}):\startbloccitel\input tufte
\bloccitepar
\input tufte
\stopbloccitel . This a bit of text at the end of the quotation.
{\bf The whole paragraph is wrong because I could not end it with a \char`\\par}.

And let's call a {\bf footnote}\footnote{\startbloccite\input tufte
\bloccitepar
\input tufte
\stopbloccite}. {\bf Fine : quote repetition symbols do now appear
in it. But there is no paragraph indentation.}.

\stoptext

==========================

Goodbye,
  Stéphane.
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Re: Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Rik Kabel]

On 2014-04-03 20:15, Stéphane Goujet wrote:

...

>    Here is what I have done so far. Not too bad a result, but there are
> still 2 main problems:
> -- when the quotation begins after the beginning of the paragraph, the
> whole paragraph is affected by *narrower*;
> -- when the text continues after the end of the quotation, it is
> impossible to insert the *\par* that, as Hans noticed and told us, is
> needed to have *narrower* work, so it is as if there was no *narrower*
> and the whole line numbering of the paragraph is messed up.

That is the big one for me. As the example png I posted shows, I need to 
have support for multiple quoted sections and unquoted text at the end.

> and 2 minor ones:
> -- no paragraph indentation in footnotes.

I have some very long footnotes and have moved to endnotes. The same 
issues present themselves, and many others related to commands that do 
not work in margins, footnotes, and other floating environments, but I 
think the solution is to write them as a separate chapter and manage the 
cross-references (footnote marks) myself.

> -- Alignment of the first quoted paragraph in respect to the following
> quoted paragraphs is not perfect (because I use different symbols for
> the quotation opening («) and the quotation repetition (»), I guess).
> But this point is good enough for me.

The opening and repetition guillemot in paragraphs started by 
\startbloccite and \bloccitepar align correctly. The difference in 
alignment of the first text character in those paragraphs appears to be 
about 0.45pt, which can be handled by the \hskip at the end of the 
definition of \bloccitepar. That value is absolute, so may need 
adjusting for other fonts and sizes. Perhaps an hskip of 0.375em might 
be more flexible.

Another problem occurs when protrusion is enabled. A guillemot in 
running text that happens to be placed at the beginning of a line will 
protrude into the left margin channel, but the guillemots that are 
generated by this mechanism will not protrude. When these are on the 
same page it is ugly.

...

> Goodbye,
>    Stéphane.

-- 
Rik

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Re: Bugs in linenumbering ?

[Stéphane Goujet]

Le Thu, 03 Apr 2014 23:02:41 -0400,
Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com> a écrit :

> On 2014-04-03 20:15, Stéphane Goujet wrote:
> >    Here is what I have done so far. Not too bad a result, but there
> > are still 2 main problems:
> > -- when the quotation begins after the beginning of the paragraph,
> > the whole paragraph is affected by *narrower*;
> > -- when the text continues after the end of the quotation, it is
> > impossible to insert the *\par* that, as Hans noticed and told us,
> > is needed to have *narrower* work, so it is as if there was no
> > *narrower* and the whole line numbering of the paragraph is messed
> > up.
> That is the big one for me. As the example png I posted shows, I need
> to have support for multiple quoted sections and unquoted text at the
> end.

  Same for me. I understand that it makes little sense (or perhaps
no sense at all) for line numbering to deal with such situations; this
is why in first post concerning our quotation matter, I was asking
whether linenumbering would be the way to go or not.


Goodbye,
  Stéphane.
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