Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text

Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text

[Robert Blackstone]

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On 13 Aug 2014, at 09:07 Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote

> Is it possible, in mkiv, to fine-tune the distance between a chapter head and a section head,  between the end of a section and the following section head, and between a section head and the beginning of the text?

A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective work-around. 
(Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility exists in mkiv,)

I admit having been a bit panicky because a tiny difference in layout between my testversions and the final product, with exactly the same setups, led to a result that more or less forced me to reposition and/or redimension most of my 520 carefully positioned floats, a few days before the deadline. 

Anyway, sorry for the noise.

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone


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Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text

[Joshua Krämer]

On 2014-08-15, 19:56, Robert Blackstone wrote:

> A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but
> it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective
> work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility
> exists in mkiv,)

I have not seen the issue you have described myself.  The attached
example works for me.  You have to prepare a minimal working example
that shows the problem.  Maybe then somebody can identify the reason
for your issue.

Kind regards,
Joshua


\starttext

\startfrontmatter
\input knuth
\stopfrontmatter

\startbodymatter

\setuphead [chapter] [
	number=yes,
	alternative=middle,
	style=\tfa \bf,
	after={\blank[0.5cm]},
]

\chapter{One}
\input knuth

\setuphead [chapter] [
	number=yes,
	alternative=middle,
	style=\tfa \bf,
	after={\blank[0.1cm]},
]

\chapter{Two}
\input knuth

\stopbodymatter

\stoptext

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Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text

[Robert Blackstone]

On 17 aug. 2014, at 20:06, <joshua.kraemer@gmail.com> wrot

> On 2014-08-15, 19:56, Robert Blackstone wrote:
> 
>> A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but
>> it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective
>> work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility
>> exists in mkiv,)
> 
> I have not seen the issue you have described myself.  The attached
> example works for me.  You have to prepare a minimal working example
> that shows the problem.  Maybe then somebody can identify the reason
> for your issue.
> 
> ********************************************
Hello Joshua,
Thanks for your reaction.
The minimal example you gave works here as well, but it does not really concern the problem I had.

When you add a section right at the beginning of the chapter, as is the case for nearly all of the chapters of my project, things become different.
Here is your ME with sections added:

===================================================
\starttext

%\startfrontmatter
%\input knuth
%\stopfrontmatter

\startbodymatter

\setuphead [chapter] [
	number=yes,
	alternative=middle,
	style=\tfa \bf,
	after={\blank[0.5cm]},
]

\chapter{One}
\section{One a}
\input knuth

\setuphead [chapter] [
	number=yes,
	alternative=middle,
	style=\tfa \bf,
	after={\blank[0.1cm]},
]

\chapter{Two}

\section{Two a}
\input knuth

\stopbodymatter

\stoptext
===================================================
Despite different setups for the chapter head the distances: chapter head - section head - beginning of the text,  are identical in both chapters (±1 pixel).
But I have realized now, a bit late, that for real control over these distances one also needs to setup the section-head in a similar manner, additionally specifying the distance "before".
The presence or absence of Frontmatter does not influence results.
I think there must have been a setup command somewhere in my setups that I had forgotten about.

Kind regards, 
Robert

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Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 18.08.2014 um 09:29 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:

> 
> On 17 aug. 2014, at 20:06, <joshua.kraemer@gmail.com> wrot
> 
>> On 2014-08-15, 19:56, Robert Blackstone wrote:
>> 
>>> A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but
>>> it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective
>>> work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility
>>> exists in mkiv,)
>> 
>> I have not seen the issue you have described myself.  The attached
>> example works for me.  You have to prepare a minimal working example
>> that shows the problem.  Maybe then somebody can identify the reason
>> for your issue.
>> 
>> ********************************************
> Hello Joshua,
> Thanks for your reaction.
> The minimal example you gave works here as well, but it does not really concern the problem I had.
> 
> When you add a section right at the beginning of the chapter, as is the case for nearly all of the chapters of my project, things become different.
> Here is your ME with sections added:
> 
> ===================================================
> \starttext
> 
> %\startfrontmatter
> %\input knuth
> %\stopfrontmatter
> 
> \startbodymatter
> 
> \setuphead [chapter] [
> 	number=yes,
> 	alternative=middle,
> 	style=\tfa \bf,
> 	after={\blank[0.5cm]},
> ]
> 
> \chapter{One}
> \section{One a}
> \input knuth
> 
> \setuphead [chapter] [
> 	number=yes,
> 	alternative=middle,
> 	style=\tfa \bf,
> 	after={\blank[0.1cm]},
> ]
> 
> \chapter{Two}
> 
> \section{Two a}
> \input knuth
> 
> \stopbodymatter
> 
> \stoptext
> ===================================================
> Despite different setups for the chapter head the distances: chapter head - section head - beginning of the text,  are identical in both chapters (±1 pixel).
> But I have realized now, a bit late, that for real control over these distances one also needs to setup the section-head in a similar manner, additionally specifying the distance "before".
> The presence or absence of Frontmatter does not influence results.
> I think there must have been a setup command somewhere in my setups that I had forgotten about.

You’re forgetting that \section insert also a space before the text is placed. In a case where two commands insert a space at the same position like here the larger value is used which comes in the second chapter from the \section command.

Wolfgang
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Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text

[Robert Blackstone]

On 18 Aug 2014, at 10:43 ,  Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
wrote:
> 
> Am 18.08.2014 um 09:29 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:
> 
>> 
>> On 17 aug. 2014, at 20:06, <joshua.kraemer@gmail.com> wrot
>> 
>>> On 2014-08-15, 19:56, Robert Blackstone wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but
>>>> it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective
>>>> work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility
>>>> exists in mkiv,)
>>> 
>>> I have not seen the issue you have described myself.  The attached
>>> example works for me.  You have to prepare a minimal working example
>>> that shows the problem.  Maybe then somebody can identify the reason
>>> for your issue.
>>> 
>> 
>> But I have realized now, a bit late, that for real control over these distances one also needs to setup the section-head in a similar manner, additionally specifying the distance "before".
>> The presence or absence of Frontmatter does not influence results.
>> I think there must have been a setup command somewhere in my setups that I had forgotten about.
> 
> You?re forgetting that \section insert also a space before the text is placed. In a case where two commands insert a space at the same position like here the larger value is used which comes in the second chapter from the \section command.
> 
> Wolfgang
Thank you, Wolfgang. I was not forgetting what you describe. Worse, I had not taken any notice, just accepting the default distances as they appeared, which generally seemed OK.
I hope to be a bit ConTeXt-wiser now.

Kind regards,
Robert Blackstone
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