* Re: PDF/UA Support [not found] <mailman.1987.1445308552.2446.ntg-context@ntg.nl> @ 2015-10-20 8:07 ` Christoph Reller 2015-10-20 8:10 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Christoph Reller @ 2015-10-20 8:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1046 bytes --] On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:35:46 -0400 <andrew.dunning@utoronto.ca> wrote: > > On 19 Oct 2015, at 5:33 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > > > > Indeed context supports tagged pdf already for a while, although only > acrobat can do something with it. Making it default is not really an option > as there is overhead involved (a bit more runtime and much larger filesize) > that makes no sense when proofing documents and in workflows for print, but > enabling is easy with > > > > \setuptagging[state=start] > > Thank you! Would it also be possible to have something to the effect of > `\setupbackend[format={pdf/ua:2014}` to set up the appropriate options? > Hi, Please note that the PDFs produced by ConTeXt when tagging is enabled are still some steps short of being PDF/UA compliant. You can check this with the freely available "PDF Accessibility Checker". (Just google for it.) Nevertheless, ConTeXt is the only TeX-based option that supports PDF tagging and it does a good job - thank you Hans for your efforts. Regards, Christoph Reller [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1485 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 8:07 ` PDF/UA Support Christoph Reller @ 2015-10-20 8:10 ` luigi scarso 2015-10-20 8:31 ` Hans Hagen 2015-10-20 8:48 ` Ulrike Fischer 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2015-10-20 8:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1090 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Christoph Reller < christoph.reller@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:35:46 -0400 <andrew.dunning@utoronto.ca> wrote: > >> > On 19 Oct 2015, at 5:33 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: >> > >> > Indeed context supports tagged pdf already for a while, although only >> acrobat can do something with it. Making it default is not really an option >> as there is overhead involved (a bit more runtime and much larger filesize) >> that makes no sense when proofing documents and in workflows for print, but >> enabling is easy with >> > >> > \setuptagging[state=start] >> >> Thank you! Would it also be possible to have something to the effect of >> `\setupbackend[format={pdf/ua:2014}` to set up the appropriate options? >> > Hi, > Please note that the PDFs produced by ConTeXt when tagging is enabled are > still some steps short of being PDF/UA compliant. You can check this with > the freely available "PDF Accessibility Checker". (Just google for it.) > > http://www.access-for-all.ch/en/pdf-lab/pdf-accessibility-checker-pac.html -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2097 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 8:10 ` luigi scarso @ 2015-10-20 8:31 ` Hans Hagen 2015-10-20 13:37 ` Alan BRASLAU 2015-10-20 8:48 ` Ulrike Fischer 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-20 8:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 10/20/2015 10:10 AM, luigi scarso wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Christoph Reller > <christoph..reller@gmail.com <mailto:christoph.reller@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:35:46 -0400 <andrew.dunning@utoronto.ca > <mailto:andrew.dunning@utoronto.ca>> wrote: > > > On 19 Oct 2015, at 5:33 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl <mailto:pragma@wxs.nl>> wrote: > > > > Indeed context supports tagged pdf already for a while, although only acrobat can do something with it. Making it default is not really an option as there is overhead involved (a bit more runtime and much larger filesize) that makes no sense when proofing documents and in workflows for print, but enabling is easy with > > > > \setuptagging[state=start] > > Thank you! Would it also be possible to have something to the > effect of `\setupbackend[format={pdf/ua:2014}` to set up the > appropriate options? > > Hi, > Please note that the PDFs produced by ConTeXt when tagging is > enabled are still some steps short of being PDF/UA compliant. You > can check this with the freely available "PDF Accessibility > Checker". (Just google for it.) > > > > http://www.access-for-all.ch/en/pdf-lab/pdf-accessibility-checker-pac.html but no public spec ... just a to be payed for iso one .. (and i don't have the latest acrobat pro either) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 8:31 ` Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-20 13:37 ` Alan BRASLAU 2015-10-20 15:16 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2015-10-20 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:31:05 +0200 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > but no public spec ... just a to be payed for iso one .. Is the following useful? http://www.aiim.org/Research-and-Publications/standards/committees/PDFUA/ Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 13:37 ` Alan BRASLAU @ 2015-10-20 15:16 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-20 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan BRASLAU; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 10/20/2015 3:37 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:31:05 +0200 > Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > >> but no public spec ... just a to be payed for iso one .. > > Is the following useful? > http://www.aiim.org/Research-and-Publications/standards/committees/PDFUA/ no fun reading from a web page ... btw, most of this tag stuff is rather old already and in this big pdf standard (1.7) ... so i don't expect to many issues (probably a few extra keys in the catalog and so) Peter will look into it. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 8:10 ` luigi scarso 2015-10-20 8:31 ` Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-20 8:48 ` Ulrike Fischer 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Ulrike Fischer @ 2015-10-20 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Am Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:10:29 +0200 schrieb luigi scarso: >> Please note that the PDFs produced by ConTeXt when tagging is enabled are >> still some steps short of being PDF/UA compliant. You can check this with >> the freely available "PDF Accessibility Checker". (Just google for it.) > http://www.access-for-all.ch/en/pdf-lab/pdf-accessibility-checker-pac.html After TUG 2015 I played a bit around with PAC2 and found a bug: The application crashes if the pdf contains a type1 font. For context this shouldn't be a real problem but you can test it with \font\test=cmr10 \starttext \test hello World \stoptext (I reported the problem but don't know if they will do something about it). -- Ulrike Fischer http://www.troubleshooting-tex.de/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* PDF/UA Support @ 2015-10-19 15:50 Andrew Dunning 2015-10-19 21:33 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andrew Dunning @ 2015-10-19 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Dear list, I am beginning to see increasing need for PDF/UA (ISO 14289) files. Earlier this year, the US Access Board announced an update to the rules for the accessibility of electronic documents produced by the government that embraces the standard, which I expect will make it much more prominent. XeTeX cannot produce PDF/UA, and it seems unlikely that it ever will, but unless I am misreading the documentation it appears that ConTeXt has already implemented the necessary functionality. If this is so, it would be helpful to have a page discussing its use in parallel to <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A>, and I would even suggest making PDF/UA the default for documents that do not have conflicting commands. The PDF Association seems to be pushing this as the future of the format; if this is so, this is an opportunity to bring ConTeXt to much greater prominence. All best, Andrew Dunning PhD Candidate Centre for Medieval Studies University of Toronto http://andrewdunning.ca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-19 15:50 Andrew Dunning @ 2015-10-19 21:33 ` Hans Hagen 2015-10-20 2:35 ` Andrew Dunning 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-19 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 10/19/2015 5:50 PM, Andrew Dunning wrote: > Dear list, > > I am beginning to see increasing need for PDF/UA (ISO 14289) files. Earlier this year, the US Access Board announced an update to the rules for the accessibility of electronic documents produced by the government that embraces the standard, which I expect will make it much more prominent. > > XeTeX cannot produce PDF/UA, and it seems unlikely that it ever will, but unless I am misreading the documentation it appears that ConTeXt has already implemented the necessary functionality. If this is so, it would be helpful to have a page discussing its use in parallel to <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A>, and I would even suggest making PDF/UA the default for documents that do not have conflicting commands. The PDF Association seems to be pushing this as the future of the format; if this is so, this is an opportunity to bring ConTeXt to much greater prominence. Indeed context supports tagged pdf already for a while, although only acrobat can do something with it. Making it default is not really an option as there is overhead involved (a bit more runtime and much larger filesize) that makes no sense when proofing documents and in workflows for print, but enabling is easy with \setuptagging[state=start] Btw, this feature relates to export to XML. Personally I wonder why this UA is such a hype, probably because publishers are reluctant to embed the document source in the pdf, which make much more sense when alternative rendering is needed. Feel free to add information to the wiki (I have no time for that myself now). Probably much that applies to the export also applies to tagging. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-19 21:33 ` Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-20 2:35 ` Andrew Dunning 2015-10-20 3:11 ` Alan BRASLAU 2015-10-20 7:12 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Andrew Dunning @ 2015-10-20 2:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > On 19 Oct 2015, at 5:33 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > > Indeed context supports tagged pdf already for a while, although only acrobat can do something with it. Making it default is not really an option as there is overhead involved (a bit more runtime and much larger filesize) that makes no sense when proofing documents and in workflows for print, but enabling is easy with > > \setuptagging[state=start] Thank you! Would it also be possible to have something to the effect of `\setupbackend[format={pdf/ua:2014}` to set up the appropriate options? > Btw, this feature relates to export to XML. Personally I wonder why this UA is such a hype, probably because publishers are reluctant to embed the document source in the pdf, which make much more sense when alternative rendering is needed. I agree that I would prefer to see PDFs given alongside good HTML, but the reality is that this will not happen for some time to come, and in the meantime PDFs remain inaccessible to anyone with a print disability (and inconvenient for the rest of us). If we can improve this situation, it is only right that we do so. If we can in the process encourage wider adoption of ConTeXt, even better. All best, Andrew Dunning ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 2:35 ` Andrew Dunning @ 2015-10-20 3:11 ` Alan BRASLAU 2015-10-20 7:06 ` Hans Hagen 2015-10-20 7:12 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2015-10-20 3:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Dunning; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users My understanding of PDF/UA is a very valid requirement to make texts accessible through standard tools, in particular but not limited to users having visual deficiencies, for example. This is the reason, not hype, behind the US government pushing this standard. Alternative rendering (via web browsers, for example) will remain inferior for most uses as it will not benefit from much of what the TeX engine can produce, so this cannot really be the motivation. For reasons of Universal Accessibility, it would be a good idea for ConTeXt to indeed activate tagging by default. The argument of runtime and filesize (when proofing and in automatic workflows) is somewhat weak for one can ALWAYS deactivate this tagging for such cases. May I suggest that Hans reconsider his stand on this issue for the sake of promotion of ConTeXt as a very advanced typesetting tool. Alan On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:35:46 -0400 Andrew Dunning <andrew.dunning@utoronto.ca> wrote: > > On 19 Oct 2015, at 5:33 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > > > > Indeed context supports tagged pdf already for a while, although > > only acrobat can do something with it. Making it default is not > > really an option as there is overhead involved (a bit more runtime > > and much larger filesize) that makes no sense when proofing > > documents and in workflows for print, but enabling is easy with > > > > \setuptagging[state=start] > > Thank you! Would it also be possible to have something to the effect > of `\setupbackend[format={pdf/ua:2014}` to set up the appropriate > options? > > > > Btw, this feature relates to export to XML. Personally I wonder why > > this UA is such a hype, probably because publishers are reluctant > > to embed the document source in the pdf, which make much more sense > > when alternative rendering is needed. > > I agree that I would prefer to see PDFs given alongside good HTML, > but the reality is that this will not happen for some time to come, > and in the meantime PDFs remain inaccessible to anyone with a print > disability (and inconvenient for the rest of us). If we can improve > this situation, it is only right that we do so. If we can in the > process encourage wider adoption of ConTeXt, even better. > > All best, > > Andrew Dunning ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 3:11 ` Alan BRASLAU @ 2015-10-20 7:06 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-20 7:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 10/20/2015 5:11 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > My understanding of PDF/UA is a very valid requirement to make texts > accessible through standard tools, in particular but not limited to > users having visual deficiencies, for example. This is the reason, not > hype, behind the US government pushing this standard. Sure, I understand that, but from what I've seen as demos I'm far from convinced. If indeed that is the reason, then a better 'demand' would be to provide several versions of the pdf (if rendering i.e. placement on the page is important), for instance: b/w : for colorblind, large size fonts, less fancy layouts etc .. in fact that would be an easy requirement to meet. The strange thing is that this tagged pdf standard does not have provision to embed the whole source (in xml) and point to nodes, which would be much more interesting (but not for publishers of course). It just puzzles me why solutions for problems need to be complex. Or to put it otherwise: if I had a disability I would consider this solution a crappy poor mans one, not a real one. > Alternative rendering (via web browsers, for example) will remain > inferior for most uses as it will not benefit from much of what the TeX > engine can produce, so this cannot really be the motivation. It depends, providing an html file alongside even if it looks worse is still better than some synthetic voice trying to make something of the semi-structured content. In fact, I can imagine serious documents to have proper audio embedded, done in a way that does justice to the problem. Anyway ... we do support it, but on your bsd system: what viewer do you use that supports it? We have tags for years and can't even test it properly (ok, that has been the same for more pdf stuff). > For reasons of Universal Accessibility, it would be a good idea for > ConTeXt to indeed activate tagging by default. The argument of runtime > and filesize (when proofing and in automatic workflows) is somewhat > weak for one can ALWAYS deactivate this tagging for such cases. May I > suggest that Hans reconsider his stand on this issue for the sake of > promotion of ConTeXt as a very advanced typesetting tool. our main own application of context is relative fast processing of complex xml document and tagging is adding a lot of overhead interesting is btw that pdf has all kind of compression and that has not always influenced its design in a positive way, but with tagging the file can become many times larger which is no fun (esp when one produces huge pdf's then need to go over the web) there are not many cases where in context we changed the default and it's generally a bad idea as then one needs to go over all workflows and en/disable things of course the user can easily enable it on his system: just drop a cont-loc.mkiv file in your texmf-local/tex/context/user path and enable it there Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 2:35 ` Andrew Dunning 2015-10-20 3:11 ` Alan BRASLAU @ 2015-10-20 7:12 ` Hans Hagen 2015-10-20 13:26 ` Peter Rolf 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-20 7:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context, Peter Rolf On 10/20/2015 4:35 AM, Andrew Dunning wrote: > >> On 19 Oct 2015, at 5:33 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: >> >> Indeed context supports tagged pdf already for a while, although only acrobat can do something with it. Making it default is not really an option as there is overhead involved (a bit more runtime and much larger filesize) that makes no sense when proofing documents and in workflows for print, but enabling is easy with >> >> \setuptagging[state=start] > > Thank you! Would it also be possible to have something to the effect of `\setupbackend[format={pdf/ua:2014}` to set up the appropriate options? you have to discuss that with Peter Rolf as he is the one who keeps an eye on all possible combinations of settings for pdf standards (and checks with validators) >> Btw, this feature relates to export to XML. Personally I wonder why this UA is such a hype, probably because publishers are reluctant to embed the document source in the pdf, which make much more sense when alternative rendering is needed. > > I agree that I would prefer to see PDFs given alongside good HTML, but the reality is that this will not happen for some time to come, and in the meantime PDFs remain inaccessible to anyone with a print disability (and inconvenient for the rest of us). If we can improve this situation, it is only right that we do so. If we can in the process encourage wider adoption of ConTeXt, even better. an interesting side track would be a set of alternative styles that can be used: b/w, larger sizes, opendyslectic fonts, etc ... so, to kind of set a standard of producing several versions of one document Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 7:12 ` Hans Hagen @ 2015-10-20 13:26 ` Peter Rolf 2015-10-20 18:03 ` Andrew Dunning 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Peter Rolf @ 2015-10-20 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 20.10.2015 um 09:12 schrieb Hans Hagen: > On 10/20/2015 4:35 AM, Andrew Dunning wrote: >> >>> On 19 Oct 2015, at 5:33 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: >>> >>> Indeed context supports tagged pdf already for a while, although only >>> acrobat can do something with it. Making it default is not really an >>> option as there is overhead involved (a bit more runtime and much >>> larger filesize) that makes no sense when proofing documents and in >>> workflows for print, but enabling is easy with >>> >>> \setuptagging[state=start] >> >> Thank you! Would it also be possible to have something to the effect >> of `\setupbackend[format={pdf/ua:2014}` to set up the appropriate >> options? > > you have to discuss that with Peter Rolf as he is the one who keeps an > eye on all possible combinations of settings for pdf standards (and > checks with validators) > Will look into it (sorry, but I am kind of ignorant to new standards, that I don't use myself) :D I can only hope that the validator (@Luigi: thanks for the link) does a good job, as my ancient Acrobat Pro 9 doesn't know the standard. It will also take some time to gather the (free available) information, but I don't see a general problem now. I'll report back in a few days. >>> Btw, this feature relates to export to XML. Personally I wonder why >>> this UA is such a hype, probably because publishers are reluctant to >>> embed the document source in the pdf, which make much more sense when >>> alternative rendering is needed. >> >> I agree that I would prefer to see PDFs given alongside good HTML, but >> the reality is that this will not happen for some time to come, and in >> the meantime PDFs remain inaccessible to anyone with a print >> disability (and inconvenient for the rest of us). If we can improve >> this situation, it is only right that we do so. If we can in the >> process encourage wider adoption of ConTeXt, even better. > > an interesting side track would be a set of alternative styles that can > be used: b/w, larger sizes, opendyslectic fonts, etc ... so, to kind of > set a standard of producing several versions of one document > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com > | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 13:26 ` Peter Rolf @ 2015-10-20 18:03 ` Andrew Dunning 2015-10-20 21:32 ` Peter Rolf 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Andrew Dunning @ 2015-10-20 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > On 20 Oct 2015, at 9:26 AM, Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> wrote: > > Will look into it (sorry, but I am kind of ignorant to new standards, > that I don't use myself) :D That’s hugely appreciated; I am not much of a programmer, but let me know if there is anything I can do to help. All best, Andrew Dunning ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 18:03 ` Andrew Dunning @ 2015-10-20 21:32 ` Peter Rolf 2015-10-20 21:38 ` Andrew Dunning 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Peter Rolf @ 2015-10-20 21:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 20.10.2015 um 20:03 schrieb Andrew Dunning: > >> On 20 Oct 2015, at 9:26 AM, Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> wrote: >> >> Will look into it (sorry, but I am kind of ignorant to new standards, >> that I don't use myself) :D > > That’s hugely appreciated; I am not much of a programmer, but let me know if there is anything I can do to help. > You are the first user of this feature, so your job will be to test it properly, once it's implemented. The programming work will exclusively be done by Hans. All I do is find out the formal definitions of the standard (needed XMP entries, supported PDF features, etc.). You and I do the boring part and he has all the fun ;-) > All best, > > Andrew Dunning > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: PDF/UA Support 2015-10-20 21:32 ` Peter Rolf @ 2015-10-20 21:38 ` Andrew Dunning 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Andrew Dunning @ 2015-10-20 21:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > On 20 Oct 2015, at 5:32 PM, Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> wrote: > > You are the first user of this feature, so your job will be to test it > properly, once it's implemented. The programming work will exclusively > be done by Hans. All I do is find out the formal definitions of the > standard (needed XMP entries, supported PDF features, etc.). You and I > do the boring part and he has all the fun ;-) Brilliant; I have some friends who work for the Ontario School for the Blind, so that should be quite feasible. Thanks again! All best, Andrew ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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