Position of standard footnotes that are set-up in floats

Position of standard footnotes that are set-up in floats

[Sebastian L.]

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Hello together,

I have the following example: I place a simple float (a graphic) in the 
text within

\startplacefigure...\stopplacefigure

and create a footnote with the graphic's source, that I want to be 
placed as simple footnote at the bottom of the page. CTX, LuaTX do this 
just fine.

But when the float is being set on the next page, due to spacing, then 
the footnote remains on the initial page, i.e. the footnote stays on 
page 1, whereas the float with its description text and the footnote 
marker are set on page 2.

Is it possible to make the footnote's location depend on the location of 
the float, rather than where the last text passage was before the float? 
An example:

\startplacefigure[title={Heijunkabox \footnote{source: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/Box.svg}},
                   reference=gfxHeijunka,
                   location=]
     \externalfigure...
\stopplacefigure


Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Sebastian.


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Re: Position of standard footnotes that are set-up in floats

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/12/2017 1:38 PM, Sebastian L. wrote:
> Hello together,
> 
> I have the following example: I place a simple float (a graphic) in the 
> text within
> 
> \startplacefigure...\stopplacefigure
> 
> and create a footnote with the graphic's source, that I want to be 
> placed as simple footnote at the bottom of the page. CTX, LuaTX do this 
> just fine.
> 
> But when the float is being set on the next page, due to spacing, then 
> the footnote remains on the initial page, i.e. the footnote stays on 
> page 1, whereas the float with its description text and the footnote 
> marker are set on page 2.
> 
> Is it possible to make the footnote's location depend on the location of 
> the float, rather than where the last text passage was before the float? 
> An example:
> 
> \startplacefigure[title={Heijunkabox \footnote{source: 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/Box.svg}},
>                    reference=gfxHeijunka,
>                    location=]
>      \externalfigure...
> \stopplacefigure
that's pretty hard to achieve (maybe some day)

Hans

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Re: Position of standard footnotes that are set-up in floats

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:46:06 +0200
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> > and create a footnote with the graphic's source, that I want to be 
> > placed as simple footnote at the bottom of the page. CTX, LuaTX do
> > this just fine.

...

> that's pretty hard to achieve (maybe some day)

Are you sure from a stylistic point-of-view that you want a
figure caption (or figure label) refer to a footnote? Although there
can be different schools of thought on the editorial style of figures
and figure captions, I would find it confusing for a floating object to
use a non-local footnote.

My suggestion (as a sometimes editor) would be to find another solution
in this case, not that I am trying to let ConTeXt off the hook...

Alan
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Re: Position of standard footnotes that are set-up in floats

[Sebastian L.]

Hi, thanks for your replies


On 12/06/2017 16:08, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:46:06 +0200
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>>> and create a footnote with the graphic's source, that I want to be
>>> placed as simple footnote at the bottom of the page. CTX, LuaTX do
>>> this just fine.
> ...

Yes, I like the mechanism, as it does what it is supposed to do, until 
due to spacing the float gets an unexpected positioning while carrying a 
reference.

>> that's pretty hard to achieve (maybe some day)

I fully understand. Thank you Hans.

> Are you sure from a stylistic point-of-view that you want a
> figure caption (or figure label) refer to a footnote? Although there
> can be different schools of thought on the editorial style of figures
> and figure captions, I would find it confusing for a floating object to
> use a non-local footnote.
>
> My suggestion (as a sometimes editor) would be to find another solution
> in this case, not that I am trying to let ConTeXt off the hook...

Sure, I can also place a source in the appendice, but why not have the 
opportunity to do both, since basically it works? I think from the 
stylistic point of view I don't expect to turn back a page when looking 
for a foot note.
Since many experienced users have workarounds for many situations, I 
hoped to find one here. Hans' reply was satisfactory to me too. :D

Greetings, Sebastian
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