* reference containing parentheses causes trouble
@ 2019-07-10 2:15 Sanjoy Mahajan
2019-07-10 11:04 ` Peter Rolf
2019-07-10 19:29 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2019-07-10 2:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Dear List,
Warning: The following may be a bug or feature or just my
misunderstanding! It seems that parentheses cause trouble in
references. MNWE:
\starttext
\section[sec:one(two)]{One}
As you see in sec.~\in[sec:one(two)],
\stoptext
The "in sec.~\in[sec:one(two)]" typesets as "in sec. ??" and the log
shows:
references > start missing references
references > 1 [][sec:one(two)]
references > stop missing references
(It all works fine upon deleting "(two)" throughout.)
Is this behavior known and expected? If it is, I'll add a note to the
"References" page on the wiki.
-Sanjoy
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2019-07-10 2:15 reference containing parentheses causes trouble Sanjoy Mahajan
@ 2019-07-10 11:04 ` Peter Rolf
2019-07-10 11:36 ` [DKIM Failure] " Sanjoy Mahajan
2019-07-10 11:39 ` Hans Hagen
2019-07-10 19:29 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Peter Rolf @ 2019-07-10 11:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Hi Sanjoy,
I think it's just the 'normal' limitations you have when setting a
variable/id name. Special characters, like parenthesis, are not allowed
here.
Even whitespace can be problematic. Yesterday I had a problem with a
reference (data driven) that has a trailing space (obviously a typo).
This space was 'eaten' by TeX, resulting in a broken link. Embracing the
argument helped here, but I haven't tested what happens, if you use
multiple spaces in a row...
Greetings, Peter
Am 10.07.2019 um 04:15 schrieb Sanjoy Mahajan:
> Dear List,
>
> Warning: The following may be a bug or feature or just my
> misunderstanding! It seems that parentheses cause trouble in
> references. MNWE:
>
> \starttext
> \section[sec:one(two)]{One}
>
> As you see in sec.~\in[sec:one(two)],
>
> \stoptext
>
> The "in sec.~\in[sec:one(two)]" typesets as "in sec. ??" and the log
> shows:
>
> references > start missing references
>
> references > 1 [][sec:one(two)]
>
> references > stop missing references
>
> (It all works fine upon deleting "(two)" throughout.)
>
> Is this behavior known and expected? If it is, I'll add a note to the
> "References" page on the wiki.
>
> -Sanjoy
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2019-07-10 11:04 ` Peter Rolf
@ 2019-07-10 11:36 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2019-07-10 12:28 ` Peter Rolf
2019-07-10 11:39 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2019-07-10 11:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Rolf, ntg-context
On 2019-07-10 13:04, Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi Sanjoy,
>
> I think it's just the 'normal' limitations you have when setting a
> variable/id name. Special characters, like parenthesis, are not allowed
> here.
Peter,
I think that's right, but there are small differences. For example,
variables in most languages don't allow hyphens, because they are
interpreted as minus signs. But ConTeXt references do allow them (and I
use them all the time). That may be why I expected free reign to use
any characters in the reference (except, as you say, for whitespace!)
and wrote my script accordingly to turn problem titles into references
(by replacing whitespace with a hyphen).
-Sanjoy
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* Re: [DKIM Failure] Re: reference containing parentheses causes trouble
2019-07-10 11:36 ` [DKIM Failure] " Sanjoy Mahajan
@ 2019-07-10 12:28 ` Peter Rolf
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From: Peter Rolf @ 2019-07-10 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sanjoy Mahajan, ntg-context
Am 10.07.2019 um 13:36 schrieb Sanjoy Mahajan:
> On 2019-07-10 13:04, Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sanjoy,
>>
>> I think it's just the 'normal' limitations you have when setting a
>> variable/id name. Special characters, like parenthesis, are not allowed
>> here.
>
> Peter,
>
> I think that's right, but there are small differences. For example,
> variables in most languages don't allow hyphens, because they are
> interpreted as minus signs. But ConTeXt references do allow them (and I
> use them all the time). That may be why I expected free reign to use
> any characters in the reference (except, as you say, for whitespace!)
> and wrote my script accordingly to turn problem titles into references
> (by replacing whitespace with a hyphen).
>
I agree (I always use the underscore instead of space). In general it's
best to avoid problems if you can.
If you use messy third party data as reference things are totally
different. In my current project I have one dead link out of 1275 (also
caused by parenthesis). Not enough to make me write some extra code to
deal with it.
Peter
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* Re: reference containing parentheses causes trouble
2019-07-10 11:04 ` Peter Rolf
2019-07-10 11:36 ` [DKIM Failure] " Sanjoy Mahajan
@ 2019-07-10 11:39 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2019-07-10 11:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 7/10/2019 1:04 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:
> Hi Sanjoy,
>
> I think it's just the 'normal' limitations you have when setting a
> variable/id name. Special characters, like parenthesis, are not allowed
> here.
>
> Even whitespace can be problematic. Yesterday I had a problem with a
> reference (data driven) that has a trailing space (obviously a typo).
> This space was 'eaten' by TeX, resulting in a broken link. Embracing the
> argument helped here, but I haven't tested what happens, if you use
> multiple spaces in a row...
indeed, references are actually a little language in their own (always
have been)
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* Re: reference containing parentheses causes trouble
2019-07-10 2:15 reference containing parentheses causes trouble Sanjoy Mahajan
2019-07-10 11:04 ` Peter Rolf
@ 2019-07-10 19:29 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2019-07-11 9:03 ` Peter Rolf
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2019-07-10 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Sanjoy Mahajan
Sanjoy Mahajan schrieb am 10.07.2019 um 04:15:
> Dear List,
>
> Warning: The following may be a bug or feature or just my
> misunderstanding! It seems that parentheses cause trouble in
> references.
Braces are used for the argument of reference actions.
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\starttext
\goto{Second page}[page(2)]
\page
\goto{ConTeXt garden}[url(http://wiki.contextgarden.net)]
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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2019-07-10 19:29 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2019-07-11 9:03 ` Peter Rolf
2019-07-11 12:56 ` Otared Kavian
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From: Peter Rolf @ 2019-07-11 9:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Am 10.07.2019 um 21:29 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> Sanjoy Mahajan schrieb am 10.07.2019 um 04:15:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> Warning: The following may be a bug or feature or just my
>> misunderstanding! It seems that parentheses cause trouble in
>> references.
> Braces are used for the argument of reference actions.
>
> \setupinteraction[state=start]
>
> \starttext
>
> \goto{Second page}[page(2)]
>
> \page
>
> \goto{ConTeXt garden}[url(http://wiki.contextgarden.net)]
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
>
I see. Thanks for clearifying.
Peter
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2019-07-11 9:03 ` Peter Rolf
@ 2019-07-11 12:56 ` Otared Kavian
2019-07-11 15:27 ` Alan Braslau
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From: Otared Kavian @ 2019-07-11 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
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Actually in the context of references, not only parentheses as Wolfgang pointed out, but also some words are reserved, such as nextpage and previous page:
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\starttext
\goto{Second page}[page(2)]
\goto{Go to next page}[nextpage]
\page
\goto{ConTeXt garden}[url(http://wiki.contextgarden.net)]
\goto{Go to previous page}[previouspage]
\stoptext
Best regards: OK
> On 11 Jul 2019, at 11:03, Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Am 10.07.2019 um 21:29 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>> Sanjoy Mahajan schrieb am 10.07.2019 um 04:15:
>>> Dear List,
>>>
>>> Warning: The following may be a bug or feature or just my
>>> misunderstanding! It seems that parentheses cause trouble in
>>> references.
>> Braces are used for the argument of reference actions.
>>
>> \setupinteraction[state=start]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \goto{Second page}[page(2)]
>>
>> \page
>>
>> \goto{ConTeXt garden}[url(http://wiki.contextgarden.net)]
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>
> I see. Thanks for clearifying.
>
>
> Peter
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2019-07-11 12:56 ` Otared Kavian
@ 2019-07-11 15:27 ` Alan Braslau
2019-07-12 11:31 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Alan Braslau @ 2019-07-11 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Otared Kavian; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
This is why it is always a good idea to preface references with a
(personal) identifier. However, perhaps Hans, Wolfgang, or someone else
can explain the use of colons (:) and double colons (::) in references
and in other tags in general (they have to do with namespaces,
instances, etc.).
Alan
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:56:02 +0200
Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually in the context of references, not only parentheses as
> Wolfgang pointed out, but also some words are reserved, such as
> nextpage and previous page:
>
> \setupinteraction[state=start]
>
> \starttext
>
> \goto{Second page}[page(2)]
>
> \goto{Go to next page}[nextpage]
>
> \page
>
> \goto{ConTeXt garden}[url(http://wiki.contextgarden.net)]
>
> \goto{Go to previous page}[previouspage]
>
> \stoptext
>
> Best regards: OK
>
> > On 11 Jul 2019, at 11:03, Peter Rolf <indiego@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> > Am 10.07.2019 um 21:29 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> >> Sanjoy Mahajan schrieb am 10.07.2019 um 04:15:
> >>> Dear List,
> >>>
> >>> Warning: The following may be a bug or feature or just my
> >>> misunderstanding! It seems that parentheses cause trouble in
> >>> references.
> >> Braces are used for the argument of reference actions.
> >>
> >> \setupinteraction[state=start]
> >>
> >> \starttext
> >>
> >> \goto{Second page}[page(2)]
> >>
> >> \page
> >>
> >> \goto{ConTeXt garden}[url(http://wiki.contextgarden.net)]
> >>
> >> \stoptext
> >>
> >> Wolfgang
> >>
> >
> > I see. Thanks for clearifying.
> >
> >
> > Peter
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2019-07-11 15:27 ` Alan Braslau
@ 2019-07-12 11:31 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2019-07-12 11:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Alan Braslau, Otared Kavian
On 7/11/2019 5:27 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:
> This is why it is always a good idea to preface references with a
> (personal) identifier. However, perhaps Hans, Wolfgang, or someone else
> can explain the use of colons (:) and double colons (::) in references
> and in other tags in general (they have to do with namespaces,
> instances, etc.).
grep for :::
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