Re: Different authorconversion for citation alternatives and bibliographic entries

[Alan Braslau <braslau.list@comcast.net>]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:40:06 +0000
<denis.maier@unibe.ch> wrote:

> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Alan Braslau <braslau.list@comcast.net>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 2021 21:11
> > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>; Maier,
> > Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>
> > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Different authorconversion for citation
> > alternatives and bibliographic entries
> > 
> > On 30/06/21 12:59, denis.maier@unibe.ch wrote:  
> > > Hi,
> > >  
> > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > >> Von: ntg-context<ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl>  Im Auftrag von
> > >> Ágoston Volcz
> > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 2021 10:20 An:ntg-context@ntg.nl
> > >> Betreff: [NTG-context] Different authorconversion for citation
> > >> alternatives and bibliographic entries
> > >>
> > >> Hi there,
> > >>
> > >> My university has special requirements for the theses I submit.
> > >> Layout, fonts etc. are pretty straightforward to set up in
> > >> ConTeXt. The one part I'm struggling with is citations /
> > >> bibliography. I have to use the german citation style with
> > >> footnotes. Essentially the first time I cite something, I have
> > >> to put the full entry in a footnote. From the second time on, I
> > >> only have to put a shorter entry in the  
> > footnotes.  
> > > Is this first citation vs other citations thing currently
> > > possible with ConTeXt? I  
> > was thinking that there was no proper support for note style
> > citations in ConTeXt? Has that changed? I remember reading the
> > phrase "We may add additional citation styles if there demand and
> > clear requirements exist." So what's the current state of affairs
> > here?  
> > >
> > > Denis  
> > 
> > Indeed (one can always use \footnote{} but that might not be a good
> > substitute for a proper footnote citation style.
> > 
> > I do not use footnote citations as a general style (and personally
> > dislike it, finding them somewhat distracting and sloppy). Yet
> > these are popular in many fields and there is no reason not to
> > support it.  
> 
> So what would be needed to make add real support for it?

First of all, come to a consensus on a clear style guide to base this
on, so as not to run after ambiguous and perhaps contradictory
specifications. This would be distinct from the APA (author-year) model
as well as from the minimalist APS (numbered) style. Could this perhaps
be the Chicago style? (does that have a footnote specification?)

Secondly, identify users who would be willing to spend time testing and
giving feedback.

Thirdly, motivate Hans and myself to spend time on this (implementing
or helping implement), for neither of us use the footnote style.

So it can be done, and such a model is presently missing.

Alan

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