[NTG-context] "see also"

[NTG-context] "see also"

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Hi,
for cross references in an index, I can use \seeindex{cow}{cattle}.
That gives an index entry "cow see cattle" if I never used \index{cow}, 
otherwise "cow 123, see cattle".

In these cases, I’d prefer "cow 123, see _also_ cattle".
How can I do that?

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: "see also"

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi,

do you look for

\setuplabeltext
  [en]
  [see=see also ]

?

/Mikael

On Sun, Sep 7, 2025 at 12:55 PM Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> for cross references in an index, I can use \seeindex{cow}{cattle}.
> That gives an index entry "cow see cattle" if I never used \index{cow},
> otherwise "cow 123, see cattle".
>
> In these cases, I’d prefer "cow 123, see _also_ cattle".
> How can I do that?
>
> Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: "see also"

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.09.25 um 13:27 schrieb Mikael Sundqvist:
> do you look for
> 
> \setuplabeltext
>    [en]
>    [see=see also ]
I knew this existed, but it would change the text for _all_ cross 
references, while just "see" is better in most cases.

I don’t need an automatism for my few instances. Something that I can 
put into a custom macro would be enough, like

\define[2]\seealso{\seeindex[text=see also]{#1}{#2}}

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: "see also"

[Rik Kabel]

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On 2025-09-07 06:50, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
> for cross references in an index, I can use \seeindex{cow}{cattle}.
> That gives an index entry "cow see cattle" if I never used 
> \index{cow}, otherwise "cow 123, see cattle".
>
> In these cases, I’d prefer "cow 123, see _also_ cattle".
> How can I do that?
>
> Hraban
>
I have a convoluted way of doing it.

First, I define a topic index and a parallel topic seeindex which 
gobbles the page number:

    \defineregister[Tindex]
    \setupregister [Tindex][n=2,
                             command={\Word},
                             balance=no,
                             method=default, % or New follows Newton!
                             compress=yes,
                             check=no,% allows seeindex to plussed entries
                             expansion=yes,
                             pagecommand=\IndexPageCommand,
                           ]
    \defineregister[SeeTindex]% see also index for Topics
    \setupregister [SeeTindex][n=2,
                                command=,
                                balance=no,
                                method=default, % or New follows Newton!
                                compress=,
                                maxwidth=2.3in,
                                expansion=yes,
                                pagecommand=\gobbleoneargument,
                              ]

Then I can index normally

         \TIndex{quotation+direct}%
         \TIndex{quotation+indirect}%
         \TIndex{marking}%

except for the see also entry, which requires:

      \setregisterentry[SeeTindex][keys:2=zzz,entries:1=punctuation,entries:2={{\em
    See also} marking}]%

and then I can get

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Rik

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[NTG-context] Re: "see also"

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.09.25 um 14:47 schrieb Rik Kabel:
> 
> On 2025-09-07 06:50, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Hi,
>> for cross references in an index, I can use \seeindex{cow}{cattle}.
>> That gives an index entry "cow see cattle" if I never used 
>> \index{cow}, otherwise "cow 123, see cattle".
>>
>> In these cases, I’d prefer "cow 123, see _also_ cattle".
>> How can I do that?
>>
> I have a convoluted way of doing it.
> 
> First, I define a topic index and a parallel topic seeindex which 
> gobbles the page number:
> 
>     \defineregister[Tindex]
>     \setupregister [Tindex][n=2,
>                            ]
>     \defineregister[SeeTindex]% see also index for Topics
>     \setupregister [SeeTindex][n=2,
>                                 pagecommand=\gobbleoneargument,
>                               ]
> 
> Then I can index normally
> 
>          \TIndex{quotation+direct}%
>          \TIndex{quotation+indirect}%
>          \TIndex{marking}%
> 
> except for the see also entry, which requires:
> 
>       \setregisterentry[SeeTindex]
>     [keys:2=zzz,entries:1=punctuation,entries:2={{\em See also} marking}]%

And then, I guess: \placeregister[Tindex,SeeTindex]

Yes, thank you, that’s an option I didn’t consider. I already have 5 
registers, another one won’t hurt.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: "see also"

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

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Am 07.09.25 um 18:36 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Am 07.09.25 um 14:47 schrieb Rik Kabel:
>>       \setregisterentry[SeeTindex]
>>     [keys:2=zzz,entries:1=punctuation,entries:2={{\em See also} 
>> marking}]%
> 
> And then, I guess: \placeregister[Tindex,SeeTindex]
> 
> Yes, thank you, that’s an option I didn’t consider. I already have 5 
> registers, another one won’t hurt.

Ok, I implemented it in my book, and it works like I wanted (see attached).
Thank you!

Hraban


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