C with macron

C with macron

[Thangalin via ntg-context]

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Hi again,

Re: https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/364024/2148

How do you typeset a C with a macron below?

\starttext
M\withmacron{c}Anulty
\stoptext

Thank you.

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Re: C with macron

[Mikael Sundqvist via ntg-context]

Hi,

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:23 AM Thangalin via ntg-context
<ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> Re: https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/364024/2148
>
> How do you typeset a C with a macron below?
>
> \starttext
> M\withmacron{c}Anulty
> \stoptext
>
> Thank you.

It seems that you can use "0331 for this:

Mc\char"0331 Anulty

There also is a built-in command \buildtextmacron:

M\buildtextmacron{c}Anulty

(Not sure if it uses the "0331.)

This does not give any "fancy" raised c̱ though. Maybe someone else
has better ideas.

/Mikael
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Re: C with macron

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/24/2022 8:47 AM, Mikael Sundqvist via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:23 AM Thangalin via ntg-context
> <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Re: https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/364024/2148
>>
>> How do you typeset a C with a macron below?
>>
>> \starttext
>> M\withmacron{c}Anulty
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Thank you.
> 
> It seems that you can use "0331 for this:
> 
> Mc\char"0331 Anulty
> 
> There also is a built-in command \buildtextmacron:
> 
> M\buildtextmacron{c}Anulty
> 
> (Not sure if it uses the "0331.)
> 
> This does not give any "fancy" raised c̱ though. Maybe someone else
> has better ideas.
An early morning exercise:

\setupbodyfont[pagella]

\startTEXpage [offset=1dk]

     \def\MacScale{.7}%
     \def\MacRule {.1}%
     \def\MacKern {0}%

     \protected\def\Mac
       {\dontleavehmode \showglyphs
        \begingroup
        \scratchwidth   \fontcharwd\font`M\relax
        \scratchdistance\MacScale\fontcharwd\font`c\relax
        \scratchoffset  \dimexpr\fontcharht\font`M 
-\MacScale\fontcharht\font`c \relax
        \scratchdepth   \MacRule\exheight
        \kern\scratchwidth
        \vrule
          width  \scratchdistance
          height \dimexpr \scratchoffset- \scratchdepth\relax
          depth  \dimexpr-\scratchoffset+2\scratchdepth\relax
        \relax
        \kern-\dimexpr\scratchwidth+\scratchdistance\relax
        M%
 
\glyphscale\numexpr\numericscale\MacScale*\glyphyscale/\plusthousand\relax
        \glyph
          yoffset \scratchoffset `c
        \kern\MacKern\emwidth
        \endgroup}

     \dostepwiserecurse{5}{8}{1}{
         \def\MacScale{.#1}%
         \Mac Anulty
         \par
     }
     \def\MacScale{.6}
     \def\MacKern {-.1}
     \Mac Anulty
\stopTEXpage

After all, we want to be able to cut'n'paste the name.

Hans

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Re: C with macron

[Thangalin via ntg-context]

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Nice!

I had gotten as far as:

\starttext
M{\dontleavehmode{\raisebox{.55ex}\hbox{c}}}\hskip-1ex
{\dontleavehmode{\raisebox{.25ex}\hbox{\hl[.45]}}Anulty
\stoptext
It looks pretty close to the LaTeX version. Fixing the name in situ is much
better.

Thank you!

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Re: C with macron

[Thangalin via ntg-context]

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Are the c and _ supposed to be separated like that?

https://i.ibb.co/0DsPK1P/mc.png

What would I have to change to put the c above the _?

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 12:49 AM Thangalin <thangalin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice!
>
> I had gotten as far as:
>
> \starttext
> M{\dontleavehmode{\raisebox{.55ex}\hbox{c}}}\hskip-1ex
> {\dontleavehmode{\raisebox{.25ex}\hbox{\hl[.45]}}Anulty
> \stoptext
> It looks pretty close to the LaTeX version. Fixing the name in situ is
> much better.
>
> Thank you!
>
>

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Re: C with macron

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/24/2022 10:01 AM, Thangalin via ntg-context wrote:
> Are the c and _ supposed to be separated like that?
> 
> https://i.ibb.co/0DsPK1P/mc.png
> 
> What would I have to change to put the c above the _?
Are you using lmtx? are you sure your mail agent didn't introduce an 
empty line?

Hans

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Re: C with macron

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 8/24/22 02:23, Thangalin via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> Re: https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/364024/2148
> <https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/364024/2148>
>
> How do you typeset a C with a macron below?

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macron_below, this works in
ConTeXt:

  \starttext
    \doloopoverlist{\tf,\ss,\tt}
      {\bgroup\recursestring\doloopoverlist{\tf,\it,\bf,\bi,\sc}
        {\bgroup\recursestring a̱ḇc̱  a̲b̲c̲\quad\egroup}\egroup\par}
  \stoptext

Just in case it helps,

Pablo
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Re: C with macron

[Thangalin via ntg-context]

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Another nice solution, Pablo, thank you.

The macron is shifted a little too far to the left and needs a raisebox to
align the top of the C with the M.

https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/364027/2148

Hans' solution is pretty close. Here's what the LaTeX folks made:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/CRaam.png

I've tweaked some numbers to get a pretty decent result for this particular
font:

\starttext
M{\dontleavehmode{\raisebox{.45ex}\hbox{\scale[sx=1.1,sy=1.1]{c}}}}\hskip-1ex
{\dontleavehmode{\raisebox{0ex}\hbox{\hl[.4]}}Anulty

Mc̲Anulty
\stoptext

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Re: C with macron

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 8/24/22 18:11, Thangalin via ntg-context wrote:
> Another nice solution, Pablo, thank you.
>
> The macron is shifted a little too far to the left

I don’t know how ConTeXt handles it internally, but placement to main
character differs with each letter:

  \starttext
    \doloopoverlist{\tf,\ss,\tt}
      {\bgroup\recursestring\doloopoverlist{\tf,\it,\bf,\bi,\sc}
        {\bgroup\recursestring\dorecurse{26}
          {\character{\recurselevel}̱ }\par}\egroup}
  \stoptext

Pablo
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Re: C with macron

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

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On 8/24/2022 8:45 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 8/24/22 18:11, Thangalin via ntg-context wrote:
>> Another nice solution, Pablo, thank you.
>>
>> The macron is shifted a little too far to the left
> 
> I don’t know how ConTeXt handles it internally, but placement to main
> character differs with each letter:
> 
>    \starttext
>      \doloopoverlist{\tf,\ss,\tt}
>        {\bgroup\recursestring\doloopoverlist{\tf,\it,\bf,\bi,\sc}
>          {\bgroup\recursestring\dorecurse{26}
>            {\character{\recurselevel}̱ }\par}\egroup}
>    \stoptext
just run the attached

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%D \module
%D   [       file=m-gimmicks,
%D        version=2022.07.25
%D          title=\CONTEXT\ Extra Modules,
%D       subtitle=Whatever comes up,
%D         author=Hans Hagen,
%D           date=\currentdate,
%D      copyright={PRAGMA ADE \& \CONTEXT\ Development Team}]
%C
%C This module is part of the \CONTEXT\ macro||package and is
%C therefore copyrighted by \PRAGMA. See mreadme.pdf for
%C details.

\def\MacScale    {.7}%
\def\MacRule     {.05}%
\def\MacDistance {.05}%
\def\MacKern     {0}%

\protected\def\Mac
  {\dontleavehmode
   \begingroup
   \scratchwidth   \fontcharwd\font`M\relax
   \scratchdistance\MacScale\fontcharwd\font`c\relax
   \scratchoffset  \dimexpr\fontcharht\font`M -\MacScale\fontcharht\font`c\relax
   \scratchdepth   \MacRule\exheight
   \kern\scratchwidth
   \vrule
     width  \scratchdistance
     height \dimexpr \scratchoffset- \scratchdepth-\MacDistance\exheight\relax
     depth  \dimexpr-\scratchoffset+2\scratchdepth+\MacDistance\exheight\relax
   \relax
   \kern-\dimexpr\scratchwidth+\scratchdistance\relax
   M%
   \glyphscale\numexpr\numericscale\MacScale*\glyphyscale/\plusthousand\relax
   \glyph
     yoffset \scratchoffset `c
   \kern\MacKern\emwidth
   \endgroup}

\continueifinputfile{m-gimmicks.mkxl}

\setupbodyfont[pagella]

\startTEXpage [offset=1dk]
    \def\Test#1{%
        \begingroup
        #1%
        \dostepwiserecurse{5}{8}{1}{
            \def\MacScale{.##1}%
            \Mac Anulty
            \par
        }
        \endgroup
    }
    \Test\tf
    \Test\bf
    \Test\it
    \Test\sl
    \Test\bfb
    \def\MacScale{.6}
    \def\MacKern {-.1}
    \Mac Anulty
\stopTEXpage

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Re: C with macron

[Thangalin via ntg-context]

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Here's an attempt with dynamic kerning based on the font, which eliminates
some of the tweaking needed. It's not perfect and, depending on the font, a
little work is needed. For pagella, scholas, termes, and a few other
default fonts, the results are decent.

%\setupbodyfont[pagella]
%\setupbodyfont[scholas]
\setupbodyfont[termes]

\starttext
  \newbox\MacMBox
  \setbox\MacMBox\hbox{M}
  \newbox\MacCBox
  \setbox\MacCBox\hbox{c}
  \newbox\MacKernBox
  \setbox\MacKernBox\hbox{\inframed[offset=\zeropoint, width=fit]{Mc}}

  \def\MacDelta{\dimexpr\wd\MacKernBox-\wd\MacMBox-\wd\MacCBox\relax}
  \def\MacUWidth{\dimexpr\wd\MacCBox-.75\MacDelta\relax}
  \def\MacRule{\vrule width \MacUWidth height .03em depth \zeropoint \relax}
  \def\MacKern{\dimexpr\wd\MacKernBox-\wd\MacMBox-\wd\MacCBox\relax}

  \def\Mac{%
    M{%
      \dontleavehmode{\raisebox{\dimexpr\ht\MacMBox-\ht\MacCBox}\hbox{c}}%
      \kern-1.04\MacUWidth
      \MacRule
      \kern.08\MacUWidth
    }%
  }

  \scale[scale=5000]{\Mac Anulty}
  \Mac Anulty
\stoptext

Thanks everyone!

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Re: C with macron

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 8/24/22 21:07, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 8/24/2022 8:45 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> On 8/24/22 18:11, Thangalin via ntg-context wrote:
>>> Another nice solution, Pablo, thank you.
>>>
>>> The macron is shifted a little too far to the left
>>
>> I don’t know how ConTeXt handles it internally, but placement to main
>> character differs with each letter:
>>
>>    \starttext
>>      \doloopoverlist{\tf,\ss,\tt}
>>        {\bgroup\recursestring\doloopoverlist{\tf,\it,\bf,\bi,\sc}
>>          {\bgroup\recursestring\dorecurse{26}
>>            {\character{\recurselevel}̱ }\par}\egroup}
>>    \stoptext
> just run the attached

Many thanks, it works fine.

Pablo

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Re: C with macron

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/25/2022 7:00 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 8/24/22 21:07, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>> On 8/24/2022 8:45 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>>> On 8/24/22 18:11, Thangalin via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> Another nice solution, Pablo, thank you.
>>>>
>>>> The macron is shifted a little too far to the left
>>>
>>> I don’t know how ConTeXt handles it internally, but placement to main
>>> character differs with each letter:
>>>
>>>     \starttext
>>>       \doloopoverlist{\tf,\ss,\tt}
>>>         {\bgroup\recursestring\doloopoverlist{\tf,\it,\bf,\bi,\sc}
>>>           {\bgroup\recursestring\dorecurse{26}
>>>             {\character{\recurselevel}̱ }\par}\egroup}
>>>     \stoptext
>> just run the attached
> 
> Many thanks, it works fine.
the one in the update is more interesting

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Re: C with macron

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 8/25/22 19:04, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 8/25/2022 7:00 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> On 8/24/22 21:07, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>>> just run the attached
>>
>> Many thanks, it works fine.
> the one in the update is more interesting

I tried, but I get the following error:

  modules         > 'gimmicks' is loaded
  fonts           > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
  tex error       > tex error on line 24 in file ./a.tex:
    Undefined control sequence \undefined

  <line 3.24>
        \MacAnulty
      \par

  23     \definedfont[Serif*whatever]     McAnulty\quad
  24 >>    \MacAnulty\par
  25     \definedfont[SerifBold*whatever] McAnulty\quad

  The control sequence at the end of the top line of your error message
  was never \def'ed. You can just continue as I'll forget about whatever
  was undefined.
  mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1

I don’t know what I may be missing.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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Re: C with macron

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/25/2022 8:01 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 8/25/22 19:04, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>> On 8/25/2022 7:00 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>>> On 8/24/22 21:07, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> just run the attached
>>>
>>> Many thanks, it works fine.
>> the one in the update is more interesting
> 
> I tried, but I get the following error:
> 
>    modules         > 'gimmicks' is loaded
>    fonts           > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
>    tex error       > tex error on line 24 in file ./a.tex:
>      Undefined control sequence \undefined
> 
>    <line 3.24>
>          \MacAnulty
>        \par
> 
>    23     \definedfont[Serif*whatever]     McAnulty\quad
>    24 >>    \MacAnulty\par
>    25     \definedfont[SerifBold*whatever] McAnulty\quad
> 
>    The control sequence at the end of the top line of your error message
>    was never \def'ed. You can just continue as I'll forget about whatever
>    was undefined.
>    mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1
> 
> I don’t know what I may be missing.
you need to process the module itself as it's just an examaple

Hans


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