* ConTeXt on MikTeX broken
@ 2008-05-03 10:00 Mojca Miklavec
2008-05-06 14:29 ` George N. White III
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-05-03 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hello,
some time ago some MikTeX users have complained that ConTeXt doesn't
work on MikTeX. It seems to be a problem with MikTeX itself since this
workaround seems to solve the problem, at least temporary:
ruby "C:\Program Files\MiKTeX
2.7\scripts\context\ruby\texmfstart.rb" texexec
(But apparently there are not many MikTeX users on the list anyway.
Else more would have complained.)
Mojca
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* Re: ConTeXt on MikTeX broken
2008-05-03 10:00 ConTeXt on MikTeX broken Mojca Miklavec
@ 2008-05-06 14:29 ` George N. White III
2008-05-06 14:57 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: George N. White III @ 2008-05-06 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> some time ago some MikTeX users have complained that ConTeXt doesn't
> work on MikTeX. It seems to be a problem with MikTeX itself since this
> workaround seems to solve the problem, at least temporary:
> ruby "C:\Program Files\MiKTeX
> 2.7\scripts\context\ruby\texmfstart.rb" texexec
I'm not so quick to blame MiKTeX -- I suspect texmfstart.rb would need
to provide some path searching tailored to MiKTeX. It seems to rely
on $0 with a tetex/texlive directory structure where SELFAUTOPARENT
can be used. The only criticism of MiKTeX is that it is silly to distribute
a broken package, but then it is up to ConTeXt users to report breakage
and, ideally, supply fixes.
> (But apparently there are not many MikTeX users on the list anyway.
> Else more would have complained.)
Don't complain, just switch to a platform/distro where ConTeXt works
and use mpm (since few others provide updates with the speed and
convenience of MiKTeX).
I think MiKTeX should remain focusing on the packages and binaries,
and rely on upstream to fix broken packages.
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Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
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* Re: ConTeXt on MikTeX broken
2008-05-06 14:29 ` George N. White III
@ 2008-05-06 14:57 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-05-06 16:39 ` George N. White III
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-05-06 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, George N. White III wrote:
> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Mojca Miklavec
> <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > some time ago some MikTeX users have complained that ConTeXt doesn't
> > work on MikTeX. It seems to be a problem with MikTeX itself since this
> > workaround seems to solve the problem, at least temporary:
> > ruby "C:\Program Files\MiKTeX
> > 2.7\scripts\context\ruby\texmfstart.rb" texexec
>
> I'm not so quick to blame MiKTeX -- I suspect texmfstart.rb would need
> to provide some path searching tailored to MiKTeX. It seems to rely
> on $0 with a tetex/texlive directory structure where SELFAUTOPARENT
> can be used.
Christian has indeed replied that he uses the binary version of
texmfstart from CTAN (which is a bit older that the one on PRAGMA).
But I still don't understand what can go wrong "in the middle of
nothing", without any major changes. So there is either a problem in
MikTeX or in ConTeXt.
> The only criticism of MiKTeX is that it is silly to distribute
> a broken package, but then it is up to ConTeXt users to report breakage
> and, ideally, supply fixes.
I completely agree. Except that I have no MikTeX any more. And I don't
have the slightest idea what could have caused the problem. I don't
see any serious changes in the texmfstart code that could break the
3-week-old version, while it has worked OK before.
Mea culpa. I should have forced Hans to fix it during BachoTeX ... :)
I will try to misuse some windows computer next week to see if I can
find any bugs (but it's difficult to test since one cannot simply
modify the ruby script as on other platforms).
> > (But apparently there are not many MikTeX users on the list anyway.
> > Else more would have complained.)
>
> Don't complain, just switch to a platform/distro where ConTeXt works
> and use mpm (since few others provide updates with the speed and
> convenience of MiKTeX).
>
> I think MiKTeX should remain focusing on the packages and binaries,
> and rely on upstream to fix broken packages.
I agree. But I have thought that some change in MikTeX might have
occurred in the meantime.
Mojca
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* Re: ConTeXt on MikTeX broken
2008-05-06 14:57 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2008-05-06 16:39 ` George N. White III
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From: George N. White III @ 2008-05-06 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, George N. White III wrote:
> > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Mojca Miklavec
> > <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > some time ago some MikTeX users have complained that ConTeXt doesn't
> > > work on MikTeX. It seems to be a problem with MikTeX itself since this
> > > workaround seems to solve the problem, at least temporary:
> > > ruby "C:\Program Files\MiKTeX
> > > 2.7\scripts\context\ruby\texmfstart.rb" texexec
> >
> > I'm not so quick to blame MiKTeX -- I suspect texmfstart.rb would need
> > to provide some path searching tailored to MiKTeX. It seems to rely
> > on $0 with a tetex/texlive directory structure where SELFAUTOPARENT
> > can be used.
>
> Christian has indeed replied that he uses the binary version of
> texmfstart from CTAN (which is a bit older that the one on PRAGMA).
> But I still don't understand what can go wrong "in the middle of
> nothing", without any major changes. So there is either a problem in
> MikTeX or in ConTeXt.
>
>
> > The only criticism of MiKTeX is that it is silly to distribute
> > a broken package, but then it is up to ConTeXt users to report breakage
> > and, ideally, supply fixes.
>
> I completely agree. Except that I have no MikTeX any more. And I don't
> have the slightest idea what could have caused the problem. I don't
> see any serious changes in the texmfstart code that could break the
> 3-week-old version, while it has worked OK before.
>
> Mea culpa. I should have forced Hans to fix it during BachoTeX ... :)
> I will try to misuse some windows computer next week to see if I can
> find any bugs (but it's difficult to test since one cannot simply
> modify the ruby script as on other platforms).
You can replace texmfstart.exe with a .cmd script::
C:> type texmfstart.cmd
@ruby c:/PROGRA~1/MIKTEX~1.7/scripts/context/ruby/texmfstart.rb %*
C:> ruby c:/PROGRA~1/MIKTEX~1.7/scripts/context/ruby/texmfstart.rb
texexec.rb cont-sample2e
TeXExec | processing document 'cont-sample2e'
TeXExec | no ctx file found
TeXExec | tex processing method: context
TeXExec | TeX run 1
TeXExec | writing option file cont-sample2e.top
TeXExec | using randomseed 780
TeXExec | tex engine: pdftex
TeXExec | tex format: cont-en
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.8-alpha-20080323 (MiKTeX 2.7)
entering extended mode
(cont-sample2e.tex
ConTeXt ver: 2008.01.28 21:28 MKII fmt: 2008.2.18 int: english/english
language : language en is active
system : cont-new loaded
("C:\Program Files\MiKTeX 2.7\tex\context\base\cont-new.tex"
FatalError : Your format does not match the base files!
FormatVersion : 2008.01.28 21:28 MKII
FilesVersion : 2008.04.18 14:17
TeXUtil | parsing file cont-sample2e.tui
TeXUtil | shortcuts : 297
TeXUtil | expansions: 308
TeXUtil | reductions: 0
TeXUtil | divisions : 0
TeXUtil | loaded files: 1
TeXUtil | temporary files: 0
TeXUtil | commands: 30
TeXUtil | programs: 0
TeXUtil | tuo file saved
TeXExec | runtime: 0.641
c:> texmfstart texexec.rb --make
TeXExec | using search method 'kpsewhich'
TeXExec | updating file database
.
.......
.......................
..........
.........
[...]
TeXExec | generating mps format metafun
mpost: Invalid command-line option
[The command line can be captured by renaming mpost.exe to
mpostbin.exe and making a script:
>type mpost.cmd
mpostbin %*
This shows:
>mpostbin -alias=metafun -initialize -tcx=natural.tcx --8bit metafun
[...]
With this, I can format simple documents. The mpost problem seems to
be with the "--8bit" option, which comes from
tex.rb.
> > > (But apparently there are not many MikTeX users on the list anyway.
> > > Else more would have complained.)
> >
> > Don't complain, just switch to a platform/distro where ConTeXt works
> > and use mpm (since few others provide updates with the speed and
> > convenience of MiKTeX).
> >
> > I think MiKTeX should remain focusing on the packages and binaries,
> > and rely on upstream to fix broken packages.
>
> I agree. But I have thought that some change in MikTeX might have
> occurred in the meantime.
The problem with mpost suggests some tweaks are still needed
to handle differences between linux and miktex command lines.
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Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
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