From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/44548 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "George N. White III" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: The most Tex friendly distribution? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:27:15 -0300 Message-ID: <22af238a0810030427y42fb664cx7fed754fdbb3117e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080917210521.GD5665@gaston.couberia.bzh> <20080918053059.GA10518@gaston.couberia.bzh> <358C0125-ED07-4E9A-8E23-F01984467F77@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1223033377 21337 80.91.229.12 (3 Oct 2008 11:29:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:29:37 +0000 (UTC) To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Oct 03 13:30:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Klirg-0004mF-OS for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:30:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4681FF07; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:29:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12918-02-4; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:28:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B63E1FEB9; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:28:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DB31FEA7 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:28:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12918-02-3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:27:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF2E1FEE0 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:27:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so1934028fgb.8 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.187.166.12 with SMTP id t12mr96233fao.2.1223033235087; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.187.247.20 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:27:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <358C0125-ED07-4E9A-8E23-F01984467F77@uni-bonn.de> Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:44548 Archived-At: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:30 AM, Peter M=FCnster wrote: > >> You're right, but I've to protect suse a bit: this was only an issue >> with a >> very new MKIV (new logic how to use TEXINPUTS), and suse could >> really not >> know about that. TEXINPUTS was quite useful, because every user >> could put >> his own personal directory in it, and there did not need to be an ls-R >> file. TeX Live 2008 has TEXMFHOME set to $HOME/texmf in the default configuration file (configured so ls-R is not needed). > Well, no offense, I used to be a big fan of SuSE myself (still like it > a lot, but their package manager really needs work). But: I just > double-checked, and TEXINPUTS is still set on my 11.0 system - even > though I don't have any SuSE-provided TeX-system installed. That's > really unpardonable. I can understand why they want to set it for > their own TeXLive packages, but not on a virgin system without any TeX > component. For an inexperienced user who wants to install TeXLive from > DVD or via the net installer, this will be a major obstacle. So I > think the point remains valid: SuSE is not a TeX-friendly distribution. Having TEXINPUTS set when TeX is not installed is not nice, but it is really a trivial issue. Someone who uses SuSE should post a note explaining how to remove TEXINPUTS (hopefully in a way that will survive updates) and file a bug report with SuSE. Distributions are can only be as "TeX friendly" as their users -- otherwise you get what is needed to build program documents and no more. -- = George N. 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