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[77.248.138.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ge8sm4417378wjc.32.2015.03.11.01.50.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Mar 2015 01:50:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: ntg-context@ntg.nl, base:default, @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::231; country=IE; latitude=53.3478; longitude=-6.2597; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=53.3478,-6.2597&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 07O28OrzV - c88a692a2da3 - 20150311 (trained as not-spam) Received-SPF: pass (filter1-utr.mf.surf.net: domain of blackstone.robert@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::231 as permitted sender) receiver=filter1-utr.mf.surf.net; client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::231; envelope-from=; helo=mail-wg0-x231.google.com; identity=mailfrom X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:90554 Archived-At: --===============0214595125== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2A209CE9-D8CF-4F23-944A-4801991D8734" --Apple-Mail=_2A209CE9-D8CF-4F23-944A-4801991D8734 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 9 Mar 2015, at 21:28 , Alan BRASLAU > ANNOUNCEMENT > We introduced into the core of MKIV a dataset subsystem, not > necessarily limited to the generation of bibliographic lists. This new > subsystem has been part of the distribution for some time and an early > first draft of its documentation had been made available. >=20 > After putting the new system to heavy use in a real, > bibliographic-intensive book project, and after much fighting > back-and-forth over specifications and design choices, the upcoming > beta standalone distribution will finally contain this completely > revamped subsystem.=20 > Hans and Alan (also with the help of Thomas and Luigi). >=20 Hi Alan and Hans, Maybe it is a bit early to ask questions already about this new = bibliography tool. But it really interests me and I do need it. First of all, I compiled the ME and added a number of my own .bib = entries and they all came out well. It looks as if I can just continue = use my existing BibTex database in the new system and continue using = BibDesk for new items, which is a very good thing. No need to generate = .bbl=92s separately. (Though I hope that ConTeXt will keep the = possibility to process .bbl=92s as before.) My questions are: 1 The ME contains no setup, no indication of a particular Bibliography = style. What comes out in the ME looks like apa. Are there style files = connected with this system? If so are they accessible for tweaking (I = need some rather uncommon Bibliography style, sort of apa-like but = different in many details)? 2 The \cite-command turns out just some number in square brackets, no = info on what is cited. Is that a bug? 3 In the old system I used \dcite[key] for footnotes but \dcite is not = recognized now. Is there another way? Best regards, Robert Blackstone --Apple-Mail=_2A209CE9-D8CF-4F23-944A-4801991D8734 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
On 9 Mar = 2015, at 21:28 , Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>
=
ANNOUNCEMENT

We introduced into the core of MKIV a dataset subsystem, = not
necessarily limited to the generation of bibliographic lists. = This new
subsystem has been part of the distribution for some time = and an early
first draft of its documentation had been made = available.

After putting the new system to heavy use in a = real,
bibliographic-intensive book project, and after much = fighting
back-and-forth over specifications and design choices, the = upcoming
beta standalone distribution will finally contain this = completely
revamped subsystem. 
Hans and Alan (also with the = help of Thomas and Luigi).

Hi Alan and Hans,
Maybe it is a bit early to ask questions = already about this new bibliography tool. But it really interests me and = I do need it.

First of all, I compiled the ME and added a = number of my own .bib entries and they all came out well. It looks as if = I can just continue use my existing BibTex database in the new system = and continue using BibDesk for new items, which is a very good thing. No = need to generate .bbl=92s separately. (Though I hope that ConTeXt will = keep the possibility to process .bbl=92s as before.)

My = questions are:
1 The ME contains no = setup, no indication of a particular Bibliography style. What comes out = in the ME looks like apa. Are there style files connected with this = system? If so are they accessible for tweaking (I need some rather = uncommon Bibliography style, sort of apa-like but different in many = details)?
2 The \cite-command turns = out just some number in square brackets, no info on what is cited. Is = that a bug?
3 In the old system I = used \dcite[key] for footnotes but \dcite is not recognized now. Is = there another way?

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone

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