spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

[Ciro Soto]

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Hi team:

How do I write the spanish interrogation symbol that is up-side down?
also
How do I write the spanish exclamation symbol that is also up-side down?
thank you
ciro

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Re: spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

[Mojca Miklavec]

Ciro Soto wrote:
> Hi team:
>
>  How do I write the spanish interrogation symbol that is up-side down?
>  also
>  How do I write the spanish exclamation symbol that is also up-side down?
>  thank you
>  ciro

\enableregime[utf] % for utf-8, may be something else as well
(depending on editor)
\starttext
You can write \exclamdown\ or ¡ and \questiondown\ or ¿
\stoptext

Mojca

Re: spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

>Ciro Soto wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi team:
>>
>> How do I write the spanish interrogation symbol that is up-side down?
>> also
>> How do I write the spanish exclamation symbol that is also up-side down?
>> thank you
>> ciro
>>    
>>
>
>\enableregime[utf] % for utf-8, may be something else as well
>(depending on editor)
>\starttext
>You can write \exclamdown\ or � and \questiondown\ or �
>\stoptext
>  
>
that's not comfortable for spanish users, so ... let's hook it into 
specifics:

\starttext

\startlanguagespecifics[fr]
    \definetextmodediscretionary : 
{\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\empty{:}:}
    \definetextmodediscretionary ; 
{\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\empty{;};}
    \definetextmodediscretionary ? 
{\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\empty{?}?}
    \definetextmodediscretionary ! 
{\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\empty{!}!}
\stoplanguagespecifics

% goes to enco-ffr

\startlanguagespecifics[es]
    \definetextmodediscretionary ? {\prewordbreak\questiondown}
    \definetextmodediscretionary ! {\prewordbreak\exclamdown}
\stoplanguagespecifics

spanish|?| spanish|!|

\hyphenatedword{\es spanish|?|\relax}
\hyphenatedword{\es spanish|!|\relax}

\hyphenatedword{spanish|?|\relax}
\hyphenatedword{spanish|!|\relax}

\hyphenatedword{\fr spanish|?|\relax}
\hyphenatedword{\fr spanish|!|\relax}

\stoptext

\mainlanguage[es] Hey Mojca, does this look better|?|

(the |??| is always available)

i'll add this to the distribution

Hans

Re: spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

[Ciro Soto]

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I didn't understand Hans's instructions. What should I do?

Mojka's solution worked fine.
I used
\def\qd{\questiondown}
to shorten the keyword.
c



On 12/23/05, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
> >Ciro Soto wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi team:
> >>
> >> How do I write the spanish interrogation symbol that is up-side down?
> >> also
> >> How do I write the spanish exclamation symbol that is also up-side
> down?
> >> thank you
> >> ciro
> >>
> >>
> >
> >\enableregime[utf] % for utf-8, may be something else as well
> >(depending on editor)
> >\starttext
> >You can write \exclamdown\ or � and \questiondown\ or �
> >\stoptext
> >
> >
> that's not comfortable for spanish users, so ... let's hook it into
> specifics:
>
> \starttext
>
> \startlanguagespecifics[fr]
>     \definetextmodediscretionary :
> {\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\empty{:}:}
>     \definetextmodediscretionary ;
> {\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\empty{;};}
>     \definetextmodediscretionary ?
> {\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\empty{?}?}
>     \definetextmodediscretionary !
> {\removeunwantedspaces\prewordbreak\kern\hspaceamount\empty{!}!}
> \stoplanguagespecifics
>
> % goes to enco-ffr
>
> \startlanguagespecifics[es]
>     \definetextmodediscretionary ? {\prewordbreak\questiondown}
>     \definetextmodediscretionary ! {\prewordbreak\exclamdown}
> \stoplanguagespecifics
>
> spanish|?| spanish|!|
>
> \hyphenatedword{\es spanish|?|\relax}
> \hyphenatedword{\es spanish|!|\relax}
>
> \hyphenatedword{spanish|?|\relax}
> \hyphenatedword{spanish|!|\relax}
>
> \hyphenatedword{\fr spanish|?|\relax}
> \hyphenatedword{\fr spanish|!|\relax}
>
> \stoptext
>
> \mainlanguage[es] Hey Mojca, does this look better|?|
>
> (the |??| is always available)
>
> i'll add this to the distribution
>
> Hans
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Re: spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> >> How do I write the spanish interrogation symbol that is up-side  
> down?
> >> also
> >> How do I write the spanish exclamation symbol that is also up- 
> side down?
> >> thank you

Better in matters of logical markup would be a definition like  
\quotation, say \exclamation or \question,
but I don't know if there are languages other than Spanish that need  
additional signs/formatting for those...


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Re: spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

[Hans Hagen]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

>> >> How do I write the spanish interrogation symbol that is up-side  
>> down?
>> >> also
>> >> How do I write the spanish exclamation symbol that is also up- 
>> side down?
>> >> thank you
>
>
> Better in matters of logical markup would be a definition like  
> \quotation, say \exclamation or \question,
> but I don't know if there are languages other than Spanish that need  
> additional signs/formatting for those...
>
interesting suggestion, we can use the delimited text mechanism for it 
(core-mis);  what do the spanish users think of if?

Hans

Re: spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

[Ciro Soto]

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I think using a definition like \question
(or \pregunta    if we use a spanish keyword)
would be useful.
ciro

On 12/26/05, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
> Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>
> >> >> How do I write the spanish interrogation symbol that is up-side
> >> down?
> >> >> also
> >> >> How do I write the spanish exclamation symbol that is also up-
> >> side down?
> >> >> thank you
> >
> >
> > Better in matters of logical markup would be a definition like
> > \quotation, say \exclamation or \question,
> > but I don't know if there are languages other than Spanish that need
> > additional signs/formatting for those...
> >
> interesting suggestion, we can use the delimited text mechanism for it
> (core-mis);  what do the spanish users think of if?
>
> Hans
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Re: spanish symbols for interrogation and exclamation

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 12/24/05, Ciro Soto wrote:
> I didn't understand Hans's instructions. What should I do?

Try this:

% this will be added into ConTeXt, so you can leave it out next time
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\startlanguagespecifics[es]
   \definetextmodediscretionary ? {\prewordbreak\questiondown}
   \definetextmodediscretionary ! {\prewordbreak\exclamdown}
\stoplanguagespecifics
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

% an example of the usage:
\mainlanguage[es]
\starttext
|!|Feliz Navidad!
\stoptext

> On 12/23/05, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> > >\enableregime[utf] % for utf-8, may be something else as well
> > >(depending on editor)
> > >\starttext
> > >You can write \exclamdown\ or ¡ and \questiondown\ or ¿
> > >\stoptext
> > >
> > >
> > that's not comfortable for spanish users, so ... let's hook it into
> > specifics:

I don't know the Spanish habits. I thought that they usually simply
hit the proper symbol on their keyboards, but I agree that it's nice
to have an "ascii" way to get them.

> > \startlanguagespecifics[es]
> >     \definetextmodediscretionary ?
> {\prewordbreak\questiondown}
> >     \definetextmodediscretionary !
> {\prewordbreak\exclamdown}
> > \stoplanguagespecifics

> > \mainlanguage[es] Hey Mojca, does this look better|?|

|?|I didn't manage to catch the difference in line-breaking algorithm,
but aren't those turned quotation marks at the beginning of the
sentence?

(like \exclamdown\prewordbreak, but as I said - I don't know if it
makes any difference at all)

> > i'll add this to the distribution

So don't forget to mention it in the new manual as well ;)

Mojca