* line of text after a table @ 2008-11-25 12:38 Steffen Wolfrum 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2008-11-25 12:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Albrecht Kauffmann; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hallo Albrecht, hast Du diese (siehe Anhang) beiden Antworten übersehen? MfG, Steffen. Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > Von: Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> > Datum: 24. November 2008 09:20:32 MEZ > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl> > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] line of text after a table > Antwort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl> > > Albrecht Kauffmann wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> would it be able to write a line after a table or figure (e.g.: "Data >> source: ...") that will be handled as a part of the float object? >> > > Just do > \placefigure[]{}{\externalfigure[cow.pdf]\crlf Data source: .. } > > Best wishes, > Taco > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: > Von: "Wolfgang Schuster" <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> > Datum: 24. November 2008 09:32:19 MEZ > An: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl> > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] line of text after a table > Antwort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl> > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> > wrote: >> Albrecht Kauffmann wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> would it be able to write a line after a table or figure (e.g.: >>> "Data >>> source: ...") that will be handled as a part of the float object? >>> >> >> Just do >> \placefigure[]{}{\externalfigure[cow.pdf]\crlf Data source: .. } > > \placefigure[]{}{\placelegend{\externalfigure[cow.pdf]}{Data > source: ...}} > > Regards, > Wolfgang > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: modifying URL wrapping rules [not found] ` <96CA6B61-8532-483F-8810-9DD7306F1CF2@st.estfiles.de> @ 2008-11-21 18:01 ` Lars Huttar 2008-11-21 19:31 ` Lars Huttar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Lars Huttar @ 2008-11-21 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: context, Mojca Miklavec On 11/21/2008 2:22 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > i leave it to others to react on the rest of your mail (some users have > been tuning the mechanism too) > > Hans On 11/21/2008 9:45 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: > > Am 21.11.2008 um 16:35 schrieb Lars Huttar: > >> >> Hello, >> >> Did either of you, Aditya or Steffen, have success modifying how URLs >> are wrapped? Did you do it by using \sethyphenatedurlbefore/etc.? >> >> I'm trying to finish a production project and am stuck on this problem. >> >> Thanks, >> Lars > > > Hi Lars, > > ... no, I am still hoping for a fix for that. > > As far as I have seen also Mojca asked for "How to influence hyphenation > points in URLs?" > And even her got no answer! That's a bad sign ;o) > > Steffen On 11/21/2008 9:52 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > No, I had a deadline and in the end, I did URL breaking by hand, using > \break at appropriate places. But it was a short article (4/5 pages). > > Aditya So as far as we know, nobody has successfully used \sethyphenatedurlbefore/after/etc. to tune the url-breaking mechanism. Has anybody else on the list done this? If not, maybe the mkii implementation has never worked for that purpose... it's possible, since urls are breaking after hyphens when lang-url.mkii says to break before hyphens. If this is the case (\sethyphenatedbefore/after in mkii is broken), then rather than awaiting a fix for the soon-obsolete mkii implementation, maybe I can do a workaround. I need help with the tex details though, please, as I am still very much a tex newbie... We are generating our tex document, so verbosity is not a problem, but irregularity would be. Rather than inserting \break in various places manually, which would have to be redone often, I could automatically insert \discretionary or \allowbreak before/after the appropriate characters in the tex document. Would that work? How would I suppress hyphenation at other points -- \dontleavehmode or something like that? Thanks again, Lars ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: modifying URL wrapping rules 2008-11-21 18:01 ` modifying URL wrapping rules Lars Huttar @ 2008-11-21 19:31 ` Lars Huttar 2008-11-21 20:35 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Lars Huttar @ 2008-11-21 19:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Mojca Miklavec, context On 11/21/2008 12:01 PM, Lars Huttar wrote: > > So as far as we know, nobody has successfully used > \sethyphenatedurlbefore/after/etc. to tune the url-breaking mechanism. > Has anybody else on the list done this? > > If not, maybe the mkii implementation has never worked for that > purpose... it's possible, since urls are breaking after hyphens when > lang-url.mkii says to break before hyphens. > > If this is the case (\sethyphenatedbefore/after in mkii is broken), then > rather than awaiting a fix for the soon-obsolete mkii implementation, > maybe I can do a workaround. I need help with the tex details though, > please, as I am still very much a tex newbie... > > We are generating our tex document, so verbosity is not a problem, but > irregularity would be. > Rather than inserting \break in various places manually, which would > have to be redone often, I could automatically insert \discretionary or > \allowbreak before/after the appropriate characters in the tex document. > Would that work? > How would I suppress hyphenation at other points -- \dontleavehmode or > something like that? OK... I have a working workaround... close your eyes, because it's ugly. I just put \hbox{} around the sections that we don't want broken, and \discretionary{}{}{} in the places we will allow a break: \hbox{http://}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{www}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{.sil}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{.org/}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{silesr/}... One of our URLs goes from 89 to 391 characters! :-p Maybe posting this awful kluge to the list will motivate someone who knows TeX better to post a more elegant solution. :-) Ugly as it is, it does allow me to control exactly where I want to allow a break and where I don't. So I'll go with that for now, in order to meet our deadline. I'm sure someone could write a TeX macro to do the above algorithmically instead of brute-force specifying every possible break point explicitly. But that's what \hyphenatedurl is supposed to be, and it doesn't seem to be working for me. Regards, Lars ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: modifying URL wrapping rules 2008-11-21 19:31 ` Lars Huttar @ 2008-11-21 20:35 ` Mojca Miklavec 2008-11-21 22:53 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-11-21 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Lars Huttar wrote: > On 11/21/2008 12:01 PM, Lars Huttar wrote: >> >> So as far as we know, nobody has successfully used >> \sethyphenatedurlbefore/after/etc. to tune the url-breaking mechanism. >> Has anybody else on the list done this? > > OK... I have a working workaround... close your eyes, because it's ugly. > > I just put \hbox{} around the sections that we don't want broken, and > \discretionary{}{}{} in the places we will allow a break: > \hbox{http://}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{www}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{.sil}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{.org/}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{silesr/}... > > One of our URLs goes from 89 to 391 characters! :-p > > Maybe posting this awful kluge to the list will motivate someone who > knows TeX better to post a more elegant solution. :-) I don't know many details about TeX, but simple tests like the one below seem to work: \bgroup \catcode`\:=11 \catcode`\/=11 \catcode`\~=11 \catcode`\,=11 \catcode`\-=11 \catcode`\_=11 \catcode`\?=11 \lccode`\:=`\: \lccode`\/=`\/ \lccode`\~=`\~ \lccode`\,=`\, \lccode`\-=`\- \lccode`\_=`\_ \lccode`\?=`\? % not sure how to handle the dot, but this seems to work \catcode`\.=11 \catcode`\^=11 \lccode`\^=`\. \patterns{ 8:3 % break after : (never before) 3^8 % break before . (never after) 8/3 % break after / (never before) 3~8 % break before ~ (never after) 3,8 3-8 3_8 3?8 } \egroup And then an ugly document (after selecting the proper language): \bgroup \catcode`\:=11 \catcode`\.=11 \catcode`\/=11 \catcode`\~=11 \catcode`\,=11 \catcode`\-=11 \catcode`\_=11 \catcode`\?=11 \lccode`\:=`\: \lccode`\.=`\. \lccode`\/=`\/ \lccode`\~=`\~ \lccode`\,=`\, \lccode`\-=`\- \lccode`\_=`\_ \lccode`\?=`\? \showhyphens{http://www.sil.org/silesr/} hello \egroup This returns http://-www-.sil-.org/-silesr/ But one would need to complete the rules above (should be almost trivial), and of course one would need to write all the needed macros to use the "url language" automatically when typesetting URLs. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: modifying URL wrapping rules 2008-11-21 20:35 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-11-21 22:53 ` Hans Hagen 2008-11-21 23:11 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-11-21 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Mojca Miklavec wrote: > hack hack hack hack .... I tried solutions with special patterns sveral times but the problem is in mixed languages, i.e. english text mixed with url-language; there are some limitations (in pdftex for instance the same codes are used fo rthe whole par (i.e. mixed languages are possible but with the same lccodes etc). Also, one needs to get rid of the - Anyhow, there is another trick, one that Aditya might love ... \bgroup \gdef\lettercolon{:} \catcode`\:=\active \catcode`\^=\active \catcode`\/=\active \catcode`\~=\active \gdef\ForMojcaWhoLikesHacks#1% {\dontleavehmode \begingroup \mathcode`\:="8000 \mathcode`\^="8000 \mathcode`\/="8000 \mathcode`\~="8000 \def:{\nobreak \hbox{\lettercolon}\allowbreak}% \def^{\allowbreak\hbox{\letterhat }\nobreak}% \def/{\nobreak \hbox{\letterslash}\allowbreak}% \def~{\allowbreak\hbox{\lettertilde}\nobreak}% \everymath\emptytoks \mathsurround\zeropoint$\tttf#1$% \endgroup} \egroup \hsize 1mm \ForMojcaWhoLikesHacks{http://www.sil.org/silesr/} ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: modifying URL wrapping rules 2008-11-21 22:53 ` Hans Hagen @ 2008-11-21 23:11 ` Mojca Miklavec 2008-11-22 0:19 ` line of text after a table Albrecht Kauffmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-11-21 23:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > > hack hack hack hack .... > > I tried solutions with special patterns sveral times but the problem is > in mixed languages, i.e. english text mixed with url-language; there are > some limitations (in pdftex for instance the same codes are used fo rthe > whole par (i.e. mixed languages are possible but with the same lccodes > etc). Also, one needs to get rid of the - Whooops! I didn't know about those limitations (same catcodes in paragraph, no language mixing). It seemed like a clean solution to me, but apparently it's not. (Sorry for the brainwash.) Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* line of text after a table 2008-11-21 23:11 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-11-22 0:19 ` Albrecht Kauffmann 2008-11-24 8:20 ` Taco Hoekwater 2008-11-25 11:13 ` Albrecht Kauffmann 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Albrecht Kauffmann @ 2008-11-22 0:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi all, would it be able to write a line after a table or figure (e.g.: "Data source: ...") that will be handled as a part of the float object? With many thanks for any hint, Albrecht On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > > > > hack hack hack hack .... > > > > I tried solutions with special patterns sveral times but the problem is > > in mixed languages, i.e. english text mixed with url-language; there are > > some limitations (in pdftex for instance the same codes are used fo rthe > > whole par (i.e. mixed languages are possible but with the same lccodes > > etc). Also, one needs to get rid of the - > > Whooops! I didn't know about those limitations (same catcodes in > paragraph, no language mixing). It seemed like a clean solution to me, > but apparently it's not. (Sorry for the brainwash.) > > Mojca > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: line of text after a table 2008-11-22 0:19 ` line of text after a table Albrecht Kauffmann @ 2008-11-24 8:20 ` Taco Hoekwater 2008-11-24 8:32 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2008-11-25 11:13 ` Albrecht Kauffmann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-11-24 8:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Albrecht Kauffmann wrote: > Hi all, > > would it be able to write a line after a table or figure (e.g.: "Data > source: ...") that will be handled as a part of the float object? > Just do \placefigure[]{}{\externalfigure[cow.pdf]\crlf Data source: .. } Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: line of text after a table 2008-11-24 8:20 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-11-24 8:32 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-11-24 8:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote: > Albrecht Kauffmann wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> would it be able to write a line after a table or figure (e.g.: "Data >> source: ...") that will be handled as a part of the float object? >> > > Just do > \placefigure[]{}{\externalfigure[cow.pdf]\crlf Data source: .. } \placefigure[]{}{\placelegend{\externalfigure[cow.pdf]}{Data source: ...}} Regards, Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: line of text after a table 2008-11-22 0:19 ` line of text after a table Albrecht Kauffmann 2008-11-24 8:20 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-11-25 11:13 ` Albrecht Kauffmann 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Albrecht Kauffmann @ 2008-11-25 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Dear ConTeXtuals, a few days ago I asked this question but got not any answer. I think it is an important issue to couple a comment with a float (e.g. a table or figure) that has to be moved together with the float, similarly to local footnotes. Has someone solved this problem already somehow or other? With many thanks for hints, Albrecht On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Albrecht Kauffmann wrote: > Hi all, > > would it be able to write a line after a table or figure (e.g.: "Data > source: ...") that will be handled as a part of the float object? > > With many thanks for any hint, > Albrecht > > > > On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > > > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > > > > > > hack hack hack hack .... > > > > > > I tried solutions with special patterns sveral times but the problem is > > > in mixed languages, i.e. english text mixed with url-language; there are > > > some limitations (in pdftex for instance the same codes are used fo rthe > > > whole par (i.e. mixed languages are possible but with the same lccodes > > > etc). Also, one needs to get rid of the - > > > > Whooops! I didn't know about those limitations (same catcodes in > > paragraph, no language mixing). It seemed like a clean solution to me, > > but apparently it's not. (Sorry for the brainwash.) > > > > Mojca > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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