spaces in file names

spaces in file names

[Hans van der Meer]

I would like to include a file with spaces in its name.
Clearly it does not work using: \input /Users/me/dir with spaces/file
I can use something like:
   \def\DataDirectory#1{\def\DATADIRECTORY{#1/}} % in reality coping  
with empty #1
   \DataDirectory{/Users/me/dir with spaces}
   \def\Input#1{\input "\DATADIRECTORY#1"}
and then that file is read.
When however I want to set this directory with
   \setupexternalfigures[directory=\DATADIRECTORY]
it does not find the picture file there.

How can I accomplish the setup? Do I miss something? Using  
contextbeta, if that makes a difference.

Hans van der Meer




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Re: spaces in file names

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Hans van der Meer <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl> wrote:
> I would like to include a file with spaces in its name.
> Clearly it does not work using: \input /Users/me/dir with spaces/file
> I can use something like:
>  \def\DataDirectory#1{\def\DATADIRECTORY{#1/}} % in reality coping with
> empty #1
>  \DataDirectory{/Users/me/dir with spaces}
>  \def\Input#1{\input "\DATADIRECTORY#1"}
> and then that file is read.
> When however I want to set this directory with
>  \setupexternalfigures[directory=\DATADIRECTORY]
> it does not find the picture file there.
>
> How can I accomplish the setup? Do I miss something? Using contextbeta, if
> that makes a difference.
>
> Hans van der Meer
>
>
what about
\setupexternalfigures[directory={\DATADIRECTORY}]
?
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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans van der Meer]

On 13 jan 2010, at 11:55, luigi scarso wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Hans van der Meer <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl 
> > wrote:
>> I would like to include a file with spaces in its name.
>> Clearly it does not work using: \input /Users/me/dir with spaces/file
>> I can use something like:
>>  \def\DataDirectory#1{\def\DATADIRECTORY{#1/}} % in reality coping  
>> with
>> empty #1
>>  \DataDirectory{/Users/me/dir with spaces}
>>  \def\Input#1{\input "\DATADIRECTORY#1"}
>> and then that file is read.
>> When however I want to set this directory with
>>  \setupexternalfigures[directory=\DATADIRECTORY]
>> it does not find the picture file there.
>>
>> How can I accomplish the setup? Do I miss something? Using  
>> contextbeta, if
>> that makes a difference.
>>
>> Hans van der Meer
>>
>>
> what about
> \setupexternalfigures[directory={\DATADIRECTORY}]
> ?

Tried it but NO. That didn't work. Without a space in the directory  
name I can find the picture. But as soon as a space gets in the  
directory name then the picture file is not found.

Hans van der Meer.
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Re: spaces in file names

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Hans van der Meer <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl> wrote:
>> what about
>> \setupexternalfigures[directory={\DATADIRECTORY}]
>> ?
>
> Tried it but NO. That didn't work. Without a space in the directory name I
> can find the picture. But as soon as a space gets in the directory name then
> the picture file is not found.
:-(
the last one...
\setupexternalfigures[directory={"\DATADIRECTORY"}]



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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans van der Meer]

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On 13 jan 2010, at 12:16, luigi scarso wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Hans van der Meer <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl 
> > wrote:
>>> what about
>>> \setupexternalfigures[directory={\DATADIRECTORY}]
>>> ?
>>
>> Tried it but NO. That didn't work. Without a space in the directory  
>> name I
>> can find the picture. But as soon as a space gets in the directory  
>> name then
>> the picture file is not found.
> :-(
> the last one...
> \setupexternalfigures[directory={"\DATADIRECTORY"}]
>
>
NO again. Doing:
\DataDirectory{/Users/hans/Movies/Inlays/Muziek/MadisonSquare Garden}  
% defs \DATADIRECTORY
\setupexternalfigures[directory={"\DATADIRECTORY"}]


gives an error:
! LuaTeX error <main ctx instance>:1: ')' expected near 'Garden'.
\setfigurepathlist ...cation ","\@@exdirectory ")}

Putting the "s around the name triggers the error.

Hans van der Meer


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Re: spaces in file names

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Hans van der Meer <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl> wrote:
> NO again. Doing:
> \DataDirectory{/Users/hans/Movies/Inlays/Muziek/MadisonSquare Garden} %
> defs \DATADIRECTORY
> \setupexternalfigures[directory={"\DATADIRECTORY"}]
>
> gives an error:
> ! LuaTeX error <main ctx instance>:1: ')' expected near 'Garden'.
> \setfigurepathlist ...cation ","\@@exdirectory ")}
> Putting the "s around the name triggers the error.
> Hans van der Meer
:-(
:-(
:-(

That's why I don't use spaces..

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Re: spaces in file names

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 13.01.2010 um 12:26 schrieb Hans van der Meer:

> \DataDirectory{/Users/hans/Movies/Inlays/Muziek/MadisonSquare Garden} % defs \DATADIRECTORY
> \setupexternalfigures[directory={"\DATADIRECTORY"}]

Why don't you save the pictures in a subdirectory of your document.

Wolfgang

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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans van der Meer]

On 13 jan 2010, at 12:32, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

>
> Am 13.01.2010 um 12:26 schrieb Hans van der Meer:
>
>> \DataDirectory{/Users/hans/Movies/Inlays/Muziek/MadisonSquare  
>> Garden} % defs \DATADIRECTORY
>> \setupexternalfigures[directory={"\DATADIRECTORY"}]
>
> Why don't you save the pictures in a subdirectory of your document.
>


Because I want to keep all files (aif, description, notes, cd-cover,  
pictures) pertaining to a certain piece together in one directory.

I did grep for the definition of \setupexternalfigures but could not  
find it in the sources. Where is it? Perhaps I can spot the difficulty  
there. Or, it might be in the use that /externalfigure makes of it.
Please point to the definitions of both, that I can have a look.

Hans van der Meer

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Re: spaces in file names

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 13.01.2010 um 12:38 schrieb Hans van der Meer:

> I did grep for the definition of \setupexternalfigures but could not find it in the sources. Where is it? Perhaps I can spot the difficulty there. Or, it might be in the use that /externalfigure makes of it.
> Please point to the definitions of both, that I can have a look.

grph-fig.mkiv -> \setupexternalfigures
grph-inc.mkiv -> \setfigurepathlist
grph-inc.lua  -> figures.setpaths

Wolfgang

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Re: spaces in file names

[Peter Rolf]

Am 13.01.2010 12:32, schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> 
> Am 13.01.2010 um 12:26 schrieb Hans van der Meer:
> 
>> \DataDirectory{/Users/hans/Movies/Inlays/Muziek/MadisonSquare Garden} % defs \DATADIRECTORY
>> \setupexternalfigures[directory={"\DATADIRECTORY"}]
> 
> Why don't you save the pictures in a subdirectory of your document.
> 
.. or try to use a link (without spaces) to the source directory.

e.g. a link named 'MadisonSquareGarden', which points to the original
directory. Untested...

Best wishes,  Peter

> Wolfgang
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Re: spaces in file names

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Hans,

The following works for me both with mkii and mkiv (running Mac OS X 10.6.2).

%%%%%%%%%
\starttext
\input "exercise english.tex"
\page
\externalfigure[pictures folder/old friend.jpg][maxwidth=3cm,maxheight=4cm,frame=on]

\stoptext
%%%%%%%%%%

My images are in the « folder » or directory « pictures folder » and my file is called « old friend.jpg », so the command \externalfigure is clever enough (not surprising from an old ConTeXt command…) and doesn't need any double quotes.
However for an \input file I have to say « \input "exercise english.tex" ».

Actually in general I avoid to have spaces in my file names, but I just tried the above in order to understand your question.



On 13 janv. 2010, at 11:51, Hans van der Meer wrote:

> I would like to include a file with spaces in its name.
> Clearly it does not work using: \input /Users/me/dir with spaces/file
> I can use something like:
>  \def\DataDirectory#1{\def\DATADIRECTORY{#1/}} % in reality coping with empty #1
>  \DataDirectory{/Users/me/dir with spaces}
>  \def\Input#1{\input "\DATADIRECTORY#1"}
> and then that file is read.
> When however I want to set this directory with
>  \setupexternalfigures[directory=\DATADIRECTORY]
> it does not find the picture file there.
> 
> How can I accomplish the setup? Do I miss something? Using contextbeta, if that makes a difference.
> 
> Hans van der Meer

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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans van der Meer]

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On 13 jan 2010, at 16:35, Otared Kavian wrote:

> Hi Hans,
>
> The following works for me both with mkii and mkiv (running Mac OS X  
> 10.6.2).

Yes, I knew that. Adding the full path inside the \externalfigure  
works. But I would like to access picture files by separately  
adressing directory and filename, not combining them explicitely.  
\setupexternalfigures[directory=..] was made for this. The annoying  
thing is that \setupexternalfigures and \externalfigure apparently do  
not work seamlessly together.

>
> %%%%%%%%%
> \starttext
> \input "exercise english.tex"
> \page
> \externalfigure[pictures folder/old friend.jpg] 
> [maxwidth=3cm,maxheight=4cm,frame=on]
>
> \stoptext
> %%%%%%%%%%
>
> My images are in the « folder » or directory « pictures folder » and  
> my file is called « old friend.jpg », so the command \externalfigure  
> is clever enough (not surprising from an old ConTeXt command…) and  
> doesn't need any double quotes.
> However for an \input file I have to say « \input "exercise  
> english.tex" ».
>
> Actually in general I avoid to have spaces in my file names, but I  
> just tried the above in order to understand your question.
>
>
>
> On 13 janv. 2010, at 11:51, Hans van der Meer wrote:
>
>> I would like to include a file with spaces in its name.
>> Clearly it does not work using: \input /Users/me/dir with spaces/file
>> I can use something like:
>>  \def\DataDirectory#1{\def\DATADIRECTORY{#1/}} % in reality coping  
>> with empty #1
>>  \DataDirectory{/Users/me/dir with spaces}
>>  \def\Input#1{\input "\DATADIRECTORY#1"}
>> and then that file is read.
>> When however I want to set this directory with
>>  \setupexternalfigures[directory=\DATADIRECTORY]
>> it does not find the picture file there.
>>
>> How can I accomplish the setup? Do I miss something? Using  
>> contextbeta, if that makes a difference.
>>
>> Hans van der Meer
> ___________________________________________________________________________________

Hans van der Meer


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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans Hagen]

On 13-1-2010 17:30, Hans van der Meer wrote:
> On 13 jan 2010, at 16:35, Otared Kavian wrote:
>
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>> The following works for me both with mkii and mkiv (running Mac OS X
>> 10.6.2).
>
> Yes, I knew that. Adding the full path inside the \externalfigure works.
> But I would like to access picture files by separately adressing
> directory and filename, not combining them explicitely.
> \setupexternalfigures[directory=..] was made for this. The annoying
> thing is that \setupexternalfigures and \externalfigure apparently do
> not work seamlessly together.

well, it's not deliberately .. just that i never use paths with spaces 
in tex workflows so it never got tested

in grph-inc.lua patch the gmatch pattern:

     if h[iv["global"]] then
         for s in gmatch(pathlist,",* *([^,]+)") do
             if not table.contains(t,s) then
                 t[#t+1] = s
             end
         end
     end



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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans van der Meer]

Thanks Hans. That does the trick.

Odd by the way, that so many people apparently refrain from using  
spaces in directory and file names, because this did not surface  
earlier. It can make things a lot more readable. The habit of avoiding  
spaces is probably a holdover from old times where OS's were much more  
restrictive in filenaming. I reckon the next beta will contain this  
patch, so that I don't have to go through patching hassles when  
installing a new version.

Hans van der Meer




On 13 jan 2010, at 18:59, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 13-1-2010 17:30, Hans van der Meer wrote:
>> On 13 jan 2010, at 16:35, Otared Kavian wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hans,
>>>
>>> The following works for me both with mkii and mkiv (running Mac OS X
>>> 10.6.2).
>>
>> Yes, I knew that. Adding the full path inside the \externalfigure  
>> works.
>> But I would like to access picture files by separately adressing
>> directory and filename, not combining them explicitely.
>> \setupexternalfigures[directory=..] was made for this. The annoying
>> thing is that \setupexternalfigures and \externalfigure apparently do
>> not work seamlessly together.
>
> well, it's not deliberately .. just that i never use paths with  
> spaces in tex workflows so it never got tested
>
> in grph-inc.lua patch the gmatch pattern:
>
>    if h[iv["global"]] then
>        for s in gmatch(pathlist,",* *([^,]+)") do
>            if not table.contains(t,s) then
>                t[#t+1] = s
>            end
>        end
>    end
>
>
>
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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans van der Meer]

I just became aware of the fact that a comma in a directory name like  
"dir, so-and-so" is failing too. No doubt there will be others that  
are allowed in those names but resist \setupexternalfigures. I guess I  
will have to live with that. Though Hans might feel tempted to sort it  
out once and for all.....

Hans van der Meer

On 13 jan 2010, at 20:34, Hans van der Meer wrote:

> Thanks Hans. That does the trick.
>
> Odd by the way, that so many people apparently refrain from using  
> spaces in directory and file names, because this did not surface  
> earlier. It can make things a lot more readable. The habit of  
> avoiding spaces is probably a holdover from old times where OS's  
> were much more restrictive in filenaming. I reckon the next beta  
> will contain this patch, so that I don't have to go through patching  
> hassles when installing a new version.
>

>
>
>
> On 13 jan 2010, at 18:59, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> On 13-1-2010 17:30, Hans van der Meer wrote:
>>> On 13 jan 2010, at 16:35, Otared Kavian wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>>
>>>> The following works for me both with mkii and mkiv (running Mac  
>>>> OS X
>>>> 10.6.2).
>>>
>>> Yes, I knew that. Adding the full path inside the \externalfigure  
>>> works.
>>> But I would like to access picture files by separately adressing
>>> directory and filename, not combining them explicitely.
>>> \setupexternalfigures[directory=..] was made for this. The annoying
>>> thing is that \setupexternalfigures and \externalfigure apparently  
>>> do
>>> not work seamlessly together.
>>
>> well, it's not deliberately .. just that i never use paths with  
>> spaces in tex workflows so it never got tested
>>
>> in grph-inc.lua patch the gmatch pattern:
>>
>>   if h[iv["global"]] then
>>       for s in gmatch(pathlist,",* *([^,]+)") do
>>           if not table.contains(t,s) then
>>               t[#t+1] = s
>>           end
>>       end
>>   end
>>
>>
>>
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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans Hagen]

On 13-1-2010 20:46, Hans van der Meer wrote:
> I just became aware of the fact that a comma in a directory name like
> "dir, so-and-so" is failing too. No doubt there will be others that are
> allowed in those names but resist \setupexternalfigures. I guess I will
> have to live with that. Though Hans might feel tempted to sort it out
> once and for all.....

well,

   directory=a, b, c

should be

   directory={a, b, c}

or when b, c is a path

   directory={a, {b, c}}

you can try

     if h[iv["global"]] then
         for _, s in ipairs(aux.settings_to_array(pathlist)) do
             if not table.contains(t,s) then
                 t[#t+1] = s
             end
         end
     end

(untested)

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Text backgrounds once again

[Matthias Weber]

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Dear all,

after a long break I am returning to two larger projects of mine, and  
to celebrate, I upgraded
to ConTeXt from the current TeXLive.

To my surprise, mostly everything looks as before (which is good), but  
all my text backgrounds are gone.
A little search brought up Wolf-gang's example (from 1-20 2009)

\setupcolors[state=start]

\definetextbackground
[example]
[location=paragraph,
background=color,
backgroundcolor=middlegray,
frame=off]

\starttext

\input knuth

\startexample
\dorecurse{4}{\input knuth\par}
\stopexample

\input knuth

\stoptext

which doesn't produce any backgrounds - neither on my installation,  
nor at ConTeXt live.
What is the current way to produce backgrounds around text snippets?  
I'll need/want it
framed with rounded corners eventually, too.

Thanks!




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Re: Text backgrounds once again (follow-up)

[Matthias Weber]

More precisely, what formerly worked (with my 2008 installation, and  
it still works when I switch back)
is the following minimized setup. The frame and the background are  
gone :(, the red text is there.

Matthias

\setupcolors[state=start]

\definecolor[defc][r=.9,g=.9,b=.94]

\definetextbackground
[defbackground]
[background=color,
backgroundcolor=defc,
align=right,
frame=on,
corner=round,
before=\blank,
after=\blank,
leftoffset=5pt,
rightoffset=5pt,
topoffset=5pt,
bottomoffset=5pt,
framecolor=darkred,
location=paragraph,
color=darkred]

\defineenumeration
[definition]
[before={\starttextbackground[defbackground]},
after={\stoptextbackground},
text=Definition,
way=bysection,
location=hanging,
letter=rm]


\starttext

\startdefinition
\input knuth
\stopdefinition


\input knuth

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Re: Text backgrounds once again (follow-up)

[Willi Egger]

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Hi Mathias,

I tested your sample-code with the minimals

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.50.0-2009122422
ConTeXt  ver: 2010.01.11 14:57 MKIV  fmt: 2010.1.11  int: english/ 
english

The outcome is to my knowledge correct See attachment.

Kind regards
Willi

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On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Matthias Weber wrote:

> More precisely, what formerly worked (with my 2008 installation,  
> and it still works when I switch back)
> is the following minimized setup. The frame and the background are  
> gone :(, the red text is there.
>
> Matthias
>
> \setupcolors[state=start]
>
> \definecolor[defc][r=.9,g=.9,b=.94]
>
> \definetextbackground
> [defbackground]
> [background=color,
> backgroundcolor=defc,
> align=right,
> frame=on,
> corner=round,
> before=\blank,
> after=\blank,
> leftoffset=5pt,
> rightoffset=5pt,
> topoffset=5pt,
> bottomoffset=5pt,
> framecolor=darkred,
> location=paragraph,
> color=darkred]
>
> \defineenumeration
> [definition]
> [before={\starttextbackground[defbackground]},
> after={\stoptextbackground},
> text=Definition,
> way=bysection,
> location=hanging,
> letter=rm]
>
>
> \starttext
>
> \startdefinition
> \input knuth
> \stopdefinition
>
>
> \input knuth
>
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Re: Text backgrounds once again (follow-up)

[Matthias Weber]

Thanks, that is what I want to see.
So ConTeXt live is broken as well as TeXlive 2009?

Matthias

On Jan 14, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Willi Egger wrote:

> Hi Mathias,
>
> I tested your sample-code with the minimals
>
> This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.50.0-2009122422
> ConTeXt  ver: 2010.01.11 14:57 MKIV  fmt: 2010.1.11  int: english/ 
> english
>
> The outcome is to my knowledge correct See attachment.
>
> Kind regards
> Willi
> <backgrounds.pdf>
>
> On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:55 PM, Matthias Weber wrote:
>
>> More precisely, what formerly worked (with my 2008 installation,  
>> and it still works when I switch back)
>> is the following minimized setup. The frame and the background are  
>> gone :(, the red text is there.
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>> \setupcolors[state=start]
>>
>> \definecolor[defc][r=.9,g=.9,b=.94]
>>
>> \definetextbackground
>> [defbackground]
>> [background=color,
>> backgroundcolor=defc,
>> align=right,
>> frame=on,
>> corner=round,
>> before=\blank,
>> after=\blank,
>> leftoffset=5pt,
>> rightoffset=5pt,
>> topoffset=5pt,
>> bottomoffset=5pt,
>> framecolor=darkred,
>> location=paragraph,
>> color=darkred]
>>
>> \defineenumeration
>> [definition]
>> [before={\starttextbackground[defbackground]},
>> after={\stoptextbackground},
>> text=Definition,
>> way=bysection,
>> location=hanging,
>> letter=rm]
>>
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \startdefinition
>> \input knuth
>> \stopdefinition
>>
>>
>> \input knuth
>>
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Re: Text backgrounds once again (follow-up)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Matthias Weber wrote:

> Thanks, that is what I want to see.
> So ConTeXt live is broken as well as TeXlive 2009?

No. Both are (understandably) slightly paranoid, and disable \write18 by 
default. Either enable write18 in Texlive 
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/write18) or add \runMPgraphicsfalse on top 
of your file.

Aditya

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Re: Text backgrounds once again (follow-up)

[Matthias Weber]

Thanks, that solves it!

Matthias


On Jan 14, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Matthias Weber wrote:
>
>> Thanks, that is what I want to see.
>> So ConTeXt live is broken as well as TeXlive 2009?
>
> No. Both are (understandably) slightly paranoid, and disable  
> \write18 by default. Either enable write18 in Texlive (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/write18 
> ) or add \runMPgraphicsfalse on top of your file.
>
> Aditya
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NOT reusing figures

[Matthias Weber]

Dear All,

I just notice another discrepancy between 2009 and earlier ConTeXt:

I organize my project in folders/subfolders according to chapters/ 
sections, and
each section folder contains the files needed for that section: the  
ConTeXt source,
images, and helper files etc.

Now it happens so that some images in different directories have the  
same name.
In my ConTeXt (2009), only the first image is loaded and used instead  
of the local one (which is explicitly referenced
with the correct path). I can clearly rename all file names to become  
unique, but it strikes me as a little odd.

Matthias
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Re: NOT reusing figures

[Hans Hagen]

On 14-1-2010 22:48, Matthias Weber wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I just notice another discrepancy between 2009 and earlier ConTeXt:
>
> I organize my project in folders/subfolders according to
> chapters/sections, and
> each section folder contains the files needed for that section: the
> ConTeXt source,
> images, and helper files etc.
>
> Now it happens so that some images in different directories have the
> same name.
> In my ConTeXt (2009), only the first image is loaded and used instead of
> the local one (which is explicitly referenced
> with the correct path). I can clearly rename all file names to become
> unique, but it strikes me as a little odd.

what do you mean with 2009? a recent beta?

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Re: NOT reusing figures

[Matthias Weber]

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Dear all,

I made a minimal sample project illustrating the issue.

Note that the figures in the two folders are different, and  
individually referenced by the two TeX files in the folders,
but come out as the same  image.
In older versions  of ConTeX  (before 2007) the different figures were  
used.

So far I have been using the TeXlive distributions (on a Mac) and  
shied away from the minimals. I am not a terminal
person, and while I can use it, I do it rarely and forget instantly  
what I did.

I am just trying to update to something more recent than the last 2008  
TeXlive distribution and
get my old projects to look similar to what they looked a few years  
back.
If you tell me I have to use the minimals for that, well, I'll give it  
a shot.

Matthias


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On Jan 14, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 14-1-2010 22:48, Matthias Weber wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I just notice another discrepancy between 2009 and earlier ConTeXt:
>>
>> I organize my project in folders/subfolders according to
>> chapters/sections, and
>> each section folder contains the files needed for that section: the
>> ConTeXt source,
>> images, and helper files etc.
>>
>> Now it happens so that some images in different directories have the
>> same name.
>> In my ConTeXt (2009), only the first image is loaded and used  
>> instead of
>> the local one (which is explicitly referenced
>> with the correct path). I can clearly rename all file names to become
>> unique, but it strikes me as a little odd.
>
> what do you mean with 2009? a recent beta?
>
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reusing figures ok - problem with hiding blocks in MKIV

[Matthias Weber]

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Dear all,

after (finally) installing the minimals,
the  zip with the figures TeXs as expected  with MKII and MKIV.

Now, in MKIV I notice another issue. I use the \hideblocks mechanism  
to hide and reuse answers and get an error message (Undefined control  
sequence) in MKIV while everything is fine
in MKII.  I am attaching a sample file.

Thanks for all the help!

Matthias



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\setupbodyfont[12pt]


\setuppagenumbering[location={footer,middle},way=bytext]


\setuppapersize[letter][letter]

\setuphead		[section]
				[numberstyle=bold,
				page=yes,
				continue=no
]


\defineenumeration
[exercise]
[way=bysection,
text=Exercise,
start=1,
location=hanging,
letter=rm]

\defineenumeration
[solution]
[text=Solution,
way=bysection,
location=hanging,
letter=rm]

\defineblock[exercise,solution]
\hideblocks[solution]

\setupinteraction
[state=start]

\starttext

\section{Problems}


\startexercise 
Addition\index{addition} problem: $1+1=?$.
\stopexercise

\beginsolution
\solution
incorrect\index{incorrect} answer: 3.

\endsolution

\section{Answers to the Problems}

\reset[solution] 
\useblocks[solution] 

\section{Index}

\completeindex

\stoptext

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Re: reusing figures ok - problem with hiding blocks in MKIV

[Hans Hagen]

On 15-1-2010 16:26, Matthias Weber wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> after (finally) installing the minimals,
> the zip with the figures TeXs as expected with MKII and MKIV.
>
> Now, in MKIV I notice another issue. I use the \hideblocks mechanism to
> hide and reuse answers and get an error message (Undefined control
> sequence) in MKIV while everything is fine
> in MKII. I am attaching a sample file.


there are two issues:

\defineblock[exercise,solution]

i want to get away from the multiple definitions (for the moment i 
enabled it again in the upcoming beta) but the following should work in 
your case

\defineblock[solution]
\defineblock[exercise]

next, delete the tuc file and use the start/stop commands

\beginsolution
     \startsolution
         Solution one.
     \stopsolution
\endsolution

\solution is ok but looks for a \par as delimiter so using the \start... 
\stop... variant is better

Hans


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More questions about hiding/reusing blocks

[Matthias Weber]

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Dear all,

I have two more questions about reusing blocks and interreferencing  
them.

First of all, I have set up problems within different chapters, and  
would like to have a separate chapter at the end that gathers
the solutions chapter by chapter like

\chapter{Solutions}
\section{Solutions from chapter 1}

get these here

\section{Solutions from chapter 2}

get those here


A sample file is attached below that has the layout, but all I know is  
how to retrieve all blocks at once. Would I need to create another  
block at the end of each chapter, and
retrieve these at the end? If so, how?

Then, I'd like to have little inconspicuous hyperlinks from the  
exercise to its solution and back. So far, I can only do this  
manually, as indicated. I would prefer to have the text Exercise in  
the enumeration
to become a hyperlink to the corresponding solution, and vice versa  
for the text Solution.

Is there a way of doing this (or something similar)?

Thanks a lot for all the help!

Matthias




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\setupbodyfont[12pt]


\setuppagenumbering[location={footer,middle},way=bytext]


\setuppapersize[letter][letter]

\setuphead		[section]
				[numberstyle=bold,
				page=yes,
				continue=no
]


\defineenumeration
[exercise]
[way=bysection,
text=Exercise,
start=1,
location=hanging,
letter=rm]

\defineenumeration
[solution]
[text=Solution,
way=bysection,
location=hanging,
letter=rm]

\defineblock[exercise]
\defineblock[solution]
\hideblocks[solution]

\setupinteraction
[state=start]

\starttext

\section{Main Text}

\subsection[subsec:1]{problem section 1}


\startexercise[ex:1] 
Addition\index{addition} problem: $1+1=?$
(\in{solution}[sol:1])
\stopexercise

\beginsolution
\startsolution[sol:1]
Answer: 2.
(\in{problem}[ex:1])
\stopsolution
\endsolution

\subsection[subsec:2]{problem section 2}


\startexercise[ex:2] 
Multiplication problem: $1\times1=?$
(\in{solution}[sol:2])
\stopexercise

\beginsolution
\startsolution[sol:2]
Answer: 1.
(\in{problem}[ex:2])
\stopsolution
\endsolution



\section{Answers to the Problems}
\subsection{Answers to \in{section}[subsec:1]}
\reset[solution] 
\useblocks[solution] 

\subsection{Answers to \in{section}[subsec:2]}

How to place?

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Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Matthias Weber]

Dear all,

what's the best way to use calligraphic letters in LuaTeX?

I am used to

\starttext
\calligraphic{H}
\stoptext

which doesn't work in Mark IV (undefined control sequence).

Thanks,

Matthias


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Re: Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Hans Hagen]

On 22-1-2010 16:55, Matthias Weber wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> what's the best way to use calligraphic letters in LuaTeX?
>
> I am used to
>
> \starttext
> \calligraphic{H}
> \stoptext
>
> which doesn't work in Mark IV (undefined control sequence).

that was actually something math

in mkiv you have to define a caligraphic font


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Re: Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Matthias Weber]

Yes indeed, I need this just for math.
So do I really need to grab some font that has calligraphic , write/ 
use a typescript, and then write
$text{\calligraphic H}$
or is there a simpler way that works out of the box?

Sorry for asking these simple questions, I just haven't started  
looking into fonts yet...

Matthias Weber


On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 22-1-2010 16:55, Matthias Weber wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> what's the best way to use calligraphic letters in LuaTeX?
>>
>> I am used to
>>
>> \starttext
>> \calligraphic{H}
>> \stoptext
>>
>> which doesn't work in Mark IV (undefined control sequence).
>
> that was actually something math
>
> in mkiv you have to define a caligraphic font
>
>
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Re: Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 22.01.10 18:49, schrieb Matthias Weber:
>
>
> Yes indeed, I need this just for math.
> So do I really need to grab some font that has calligraphic , write/use
> a typescript, and then write
> $text{\calligraphic H}$
> or is there a simpler way that works out of the box?

$H{\cal H}$

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Re: Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Matthias Weber]

Thanks!

Matthias
On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> Am 22.01.10 18:49, schrieb Matthias Weber:
>>
>>
>> Yes indeed, I need this just for math.
>> So do I really need to grab some font that has calligraphic , write/ 
>> use
>> a typescript, and then write
>> $text{\calligraphic H}$
>> or is there a simpler way that works out of the box?
>
> $H{\cal H}$
>
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Re: Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 22.01.10 18:29, schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 22-1-2010 16:55, Matthias Weber wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> what's the best way to use calligraphic letters in LuaTeX?
>>
>> I am used to
>>
>> \starttext
>> \calligraphic{H}
>> \stoptext
>>
>> which doesn't work in Mark IV (undefined control sequence).
>
> that was actually something math
>
> in mkiv you have to define a caligraphic font

but \calligraphic is no longer available in mkiv, can you add

\unexpanded\def\calligraphic{\ifmmode\expandafter\mathscript    \fi}

to math-ini.mkiv?

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Re: Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Hans Hagen]

On 22-1-2010 19:20, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> \unexpanded\def\calligraphic{\ifmmode\expandafter\mathscript \fi}
>
> to math-ini.mkiv?

probably something

\unexpanded\def\calligraphic{\groupedcommand{...

then but lets see what aditya thinks of it ...

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Re: Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 22-1-2010 19:20, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
>> \unexpanded\def\calligraphic{\ifmmode\expandafter\mathscript \fi}
>> 
>> to math-ini.mkiv?
>
> probably something
>
> \unexpanded\def\calligraphic{\groupedcommand{...
>
> then but lets see what aditya thinks of it ...

I think that we should have \calligraphic for text calligraphic fonts 
only. For math, plain tex had \cal as a font switch, MkIV has \mathscript 
and \mathcal. I am not sure that we need another font switch in math.

I know, that in mkii \calligraphic is available in math mode, but I did 
not like that either. Since you are asking for my opinion, I think that it 
should go :-). For backward compatibility, we can add 
appropriate definition of \calligraphic to m-mkii module.

While we are at this topic, I think that we should change the definitions 
of \mathbf, \mathtf, etc from being a font switch to being a grouped 
command (to be more in tune with ams convetions). So, in math-ini.mkiv we 
can have

diff --git a/math-ini.mkiv b/math-ini.mkiv
index 17b0205..65bd43c 100644
--- a/math-ini.mkiv
+++ b/math-ini.mkiv
@@ -72,23 +72,27 @@
  \unexpanded\def\mathfraktur   {\setmathalphabet{fraktur}}
  \unexpanded\def\mathblackboard{\setmathalphabet{blackboard}}

-\unexpanded\def\mathrm{\setmathattribute{rm}{tf}}
-\unexpanded\def\mathss{\setmathattribute{ss}{tf}}
-\unexpanded\def\mathtt{\setmathattribute{tt}{tf}}
-
-\unexpanded\def\mathtf{\setmathstyle{tf}}
-\unexpanded\def\mathbf{\setmathstyle{bf}}
-\unexpanded\def\mathsl{\setmathstyle{sl}}
-\unexpanded\def\mathit{\setmathstyle{it}}
-\unexpanded\def\mathbs{\setmathstyle{bs}}
-\unexpanded\def\mathbi{\setmathstyle{bi}}
-
-\let\tfmath\mathtf % maybe a grouped command
-\let\bfmath\mathbf
-\let\slmath\mathsl
-\let\itmath\mathit
-\let\bsmath\mathbs
-\let\bimath\mathbi
+\unexpanded\def\rmmath{\setmathattribute{rm}{tf}}
+\unexpanded\def\ssmath{\setmathattribute{ss}{tf}}
+\unexpanded\def\ttmath{\setmathattribute{tt}{tf}}
+
+\unexpanded\def\tfmath{\setmathstyle{tf}}
+\unexpanded\def\bfmath{\setmathstyle{bf}}
+\unexpanded\def\slmath{\setmathstyle{sl}}
+\unexpanded\def\itmath{\setmathstyle{it}}
+\unexpanded\def\bsmath{\setmathstyle{bs}}
+\unexpanded\def\bimath{\setmathstyle{bi}}
+
+\unexpanded\def\mathrm{\groupedcommand{\rmmath}{}} 
+\unexpanded\def\mathss{\groupedcommand{\ssmath}{}} 
+\unexpanded\def\mathtt{\groupedcommand{\ttmath}{}} 
+
+\unexpanded\def\mathtf{\groupedcommand{\tfmath}{}} 
+\unexpanded\def\mathbf{\groupedcommand{\bfmath}{}}
+\unexpanded\def\mathsl{\groupedcommand{\slmath}{}}
+\unexpanded\def\mathit{\groupedcommand{\itmath}{}}
+\unexpanded\def\mathbs{\groupedcommand{\bsmath}{}}
+\unexpanded\def\mathbi{\groupedcommand{\bimath}{}}

  \let\Bbb\mathblackboard


What do you think?

Aditya
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Re: Calligraphic letters in Mark IV

[Hans Hagen]

On 24-1-2010 22:17, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> I think that we should have \calligraphic for text calligraphic fonts
> only. For math, plain tex had \cal as a font switch, MkIV has
> \mathscript and \mathcal. I am not sure that we need another font switch
> in math.
>
> I know, that in mkii \calligraphic is available in math mode, but I did
> not like that either. Since you are asking for my opinion, I think that
> it should go :-). For backward compatibility, we can add appropriate
> definition of \calligraphic to m-mkii module.

ok, just send me a patch then

> While we are at this topic, I think that we should change the
> definitions of \mathbf, \mathtf, etc from being a font switch to being a
> grouped command (to be more in tune with ams convetions). So, in
> math-ini.mkiv we can have
>
> diff --git a/math-ini.mkiv b/math-ini.mkiv
> index 17b0205..65bd43c 100644
> --- a/math-ini.mkiv
> +++ b/math-ini.mkiv
> @@ -72,23 +72,27 @@
>
 > ...
 >
> What do you think?

i have no problem with that ... so if no one comes up with good 
arguments against it we can do that

Hans


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Re: More questions about hiding/reusing blocks

[Hans Hagen]

On 22-1-2010 16:19, Matthias Weber wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I have two more questions about reusing blocks and interreferencing them.
>
> First of all, I have set up problems within different chapters, and
> would like to have a separate chapter at the end that gathers
> the solutions chapter by chapter like
>
> \chapter{Solutions}
> \section{Solutions from chapter 1}
>
> get these here
>
> \section{Solutions from chapter 2}
>
> get those here

you can group your solutions in categories:

\beginsolution[one]
....

and then use

\useblocks[solution][one]

> A sample file is attached below that has the layout, but all I know is
> how to retrieve all blocks at once. Would I need to create another block
> at the end of each chapter, and
> retrieve these at the end? If so, how?
>
> Then, I'd like to have little inconspicuous hyperlinks from the exercise
> to its solution and back. So far, I can only do this manually, as
> indicated. I would prefer to have the text Exercise in the enumeration
> to become a hyperlink to the corresponding solution, and vice versa for
> the text Solution.
>
> Is there a way of doing this (or something similar)?

actually in mkii there is (using symbols pointing to the companion that 
can be clicked) but in mkiv i didn't yet add the code for that but i 
will do that (we used that long ago in interactive educational documents)

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Re: More questions about hiding/reusing blocks

[Hans Hagen]

On 24-1-2010 18:15, Matthias Weber wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> actually in mkii there is (using symbols pointing to the companion that
> can be clicked) but in mkiv i didn't yet add the code for that but i
> will do that (we used that long ago in interactive educational documents)
>
> That would be extremely cool - I am working on two long textbooks for my
> students right now, and when working with them in class,
> navigating through something with more than 200 pages can be painful.
>
> Is there any source/documentation I can look at?

in mkii it's provided by the coupling directive but as we only used it 
ourselves for some projects it was never document (i think)

in mkiv it will be named couplings:

\defineenumeration
   [exercise]
   [way=bysection,
    text=Exercise,
    coupling=solution,
    location=hanging]

\defineenumeration
   [solution]
   [text=Solution,
    way=bysection,
    coupling=exercise,
    location=hanging]

\defineblock[exercise]
\defineblock[solution]
\hideblocks[solution]

\setupinteraction
   [state=start]

\starttext

\section{Main Text}

\subsection[subsec:1]{problem section 1}

\startexercise[ex:1]
Addition\index{addition} problem: $1+1=?$ (\in{solution}[sol:1])
\stopexercise

\beginsolution[one]
\startsolution[sol:1]
Answer: 2. (\in{problem}[ex:1])
\stopsolution
\endsolution

\subsection[subsec:2]{problem section 2}

\startexercise[ex:2]
Multiplication problem: $1\times1=?$ (\in{solution}[sol:2])
\stopexercise

\beginsolution[two]
\startsolution[sol:2]
Answer: 1. (\in{problem}[ex:2])
\stopsolution
\endsolution

\page

\reset[solution]

\section{Answers to the Problems}

\subsection{Answers to \in{section}[subsec:1]}

\useblocks[solution][one]

\subsection{Answers to \in{section}[subsec:2]}

\useblocks[solution][two]

\stoptext

keep in mind that this only works well (at least currently) for 
synchronized enumerations; also, the rendering uses symbols; more 
variants can be provided later (no time for that now) and the mechanism 
has to be more pluggable

i will update a beta that provides this

Hans


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Re: spaces in file names

[Vladimir Lomov]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 20:46:53 +0100, Hans van der Meer wrote:
> I just became aware of the fact that a comma in a directory name like  
> "dir, so-and-so" is failing too. No doubt there will be others that  
> are allowed in those names but resist \setupexternalfigures. I guess I  
> will have to live with that. Though Hans might feel tempted to sort it  
> out once and for all.....

Just small note: in POSIX (e.g. Linux) you could use any char in file
or directory name expect '/' and '\0'. Windows is more restricted (why
nowadays?) on char in file and directory names (not ':' for example).

Now imagine what should developers do in order to maintain software for
these different (in sense of names) systems? (My guess: use only plain
names: only latin letters and underscope is sufficient).


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Re: spaces in file names

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Hans van der Meer wrote:

> Odd by the way, that so many people apparently refrain from using spaces in directory and file names, because this did not surface earlier. It can make things a lot more readable. The habit of avoiding spaces is probably a holdover from old times where OS's were much more restrictive in filenaming. 

I prefer to work with my computer, not against it. Whenever you want to script something or do something remotely, spaces in file names give you nothing but grief. And I don't think "My Stuff" is so much more readable than "My-Stuff" or "My_Stuff" or ... But to each their own, I guess, if you think that spaces in filenames are so 2010 and avoiding them old hat.

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Re: spaces in file names

[Hans Hagen]

On 13-1-2010 20:59, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Hans van der Meer wrote:
>
>> Odd by the way, that so many people apparently refrain from using spaces in directory and file names, because this did not surface earlier. It can make things a lot more readable. The habit of avoiding spaces is probably a holdover from old times where OS's were much more restrictive in filenaming.
>
> I prefer to work with my computer, not against it. Whenever you want to script something or do something remotely, spaces in file names give you nothing but grief. And I don't think "My Stuff" is so much more readable than "My-Stuff" or "My_Stuff" or ... But to each their own, I guess, if you think that spaces in filenames are so 2010 and avoiding them old hat.

also, as nowadays guis can use proportional fonts, it's easy to oversee 
two spaces in a row which makes debugging a pain

esp when we get graphics from third parties we need to be pretty aware 
of inconsistency in

- upper/lowercase (and mixed)
- suffixes
- multiple spaces
- underscores vs hyphens

the problem being that in gui apps one just clicks on a (potentially 
messy) name but in automated flows one needs to be exact.

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