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news / bold math

[Hans Hagen]

News:

   http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0005.pdf

bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other bold 
math fonts yet)

I also uploaded new versions.

Hans



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`Standard' vs `Beta'?

[Bob Kerstetter]

Hello,

what is the difference between the "distributed" and the "beta" 
versions of context? How current is my version? Does it have all of the 
cool stuff for doing "column sets"?

type this in the terminal

context -version

prints this on the screen:

pdfeTeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592-1.11a-2.1
kpathsea version 3.5.2
Copyright (C) 1997-2003 The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1997-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the pdfeTeX copyright and
the GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the files
named COPYING and the pdfeTeX source.
Primary author of pdfeTeX: The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others.

Thanks

Bob Kerstetter
http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/

Re: `Standard' vs `Beta'?

[Hans Hagen]

At 03:14 27/11/2003, you wrote:

>what is the difference between the "distributed" and the "beta" versions 
>of context? How current is my version? Does it have all of the cool stuff 
>for doing "column sets"?

in most cases recent versions of distributions have the latest context, 
however, you can download the version from our site, put it in your texmf 
local tree, run mktexlsr and texexec --make --alone and it should work; i'm 
working on a tree on our server so that one can rsync

columnsets are available in older versions, but not always with all tricks

>type this in the terminal
>
>context -version
>
>prints this on the screen:

>pdfeTeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592-1.11a-2.1
>kpathsea version 3.5.2
>Copyright (C) 1997-2003 The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
>Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1997-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
>covered by the terms of both the pdfeTeX copyright and
>the GNU General Public License.
>For more information about these matters, see the files
>named COPYING and the pdfeTeX source.
>Primary author of pdfeTeX: The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
>Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others.

there is a new pdfetex on the tex live dvd/cd, but for the moment 1.11a is pl

Hans  

Re: `Standard' vs `Beta'?

[Bob Kerstetter]

Thanks, Hans.


On Nov 27, 2003, at 3:26 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> At 03:14 27/11/2003, you wrote:
>
>> what is the difference between the "distributed" and the "beta" 
>> versions of context? How current is my version? Does it have all of 
>> the cool stuff for doing "column sets"?
>
> in most cases recent versions of distributions have the latest 
> context, however, you can download the version from our site, put it 
> in your texmf local tree, run mktexlsr and texexec --make --alone and 
> it should work; i'm working on a tree on our server so that one can 
> rsync
>
> columnsets are available in older versions, but not always with all 
> tricks
>
>> type this in the terminal
>>
>> context -version
>>
>> prints this on the screen:
>
>> pdfeTeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592-1.11a-2.1
>> kpathsea version 3.5.2
>> Copyright (C) 1997-2003 The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
>> Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1997-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
>> There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
>> covered by the terms of both the pdfeTeX copyright and
>> the GNU General Public License.
>> For more information about these matters, see the files
>> named COPYING and the pdfeTeX source.
>> Primary author of pdfeTeX: The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX).
>> Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others.
>
> there is a new pdfetex on the tex live dvd/cd, but for the moment 
> 1.11a is pl
>
> Hans
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> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>

ConTeXt Switcher?

[Bob Kerstetter]

Hello ConTeXt Users,

I have been using LaTeX for 15 months or so. From one source document I 
am able to produce:

1. PDF
2. HTML
3. Word (via HTML conversion)

ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, 
colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. 
It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the 
same document?

Thanks,

Bob Kerstetter
http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/

Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Bob Kerstetter wrote:

> It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the
> same document?

Hello,
I like TeX4ht for LaTeX. It would be great, if TeX4ht and ConTeXt work
together. It seems, that it works well with plain-TeX, so why not with
ConTeXt?
Peter

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Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Bob Kerstetter]

On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Peter Münster wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Bob Kerstetter wrote:
>
>> It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the
>> same document?
>
> Hello,
> I like TeX4ht for LaTeX. It would be great, if TeX4ht and ConTeXt work
> together. It seems, that it works well with plain-TeX, so why not with
> ConTeXt?

TeX4ht is excellent. It's what I use for LaTeX to HTML and Word (via 
HTML convertion). It would require writing a custom configuration file 
to make it work with ConTeXt. I could be done, I just don't know how to 
do it. I have tried repeated to understand TeX4ht's conversion, but 
have never succeeded.

Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Montag, 08.12.03, um 18:20 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Bob 
Kerstetter:
> ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, 
> colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. 
> It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the 
> same document?

The normal way to get both PDF and HTML is using a XML source.
You know of ConTeXts native XML mode?
AFAIK you can import XML or HTML into MS Office, too, so you need no 
real Word DOC output.
Or perhaps there's an other XML to RTF/DOC Konverter...

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
-- 
http://www.fiee.net/texnique/

Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Bob Kerstetter]

On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:33 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Am Montag, 08.12.03, um 18:20 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Bob 
> Kerstetter:
>> ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, 
>> colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. 
>> It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from 
>> the same document?
>
> The normal way to get both PDF and HTML is using a XML source.
> You know of ConTeXts native XML mode?
> AFAIK you can import XML or HTML into MS Office, too, so you need no 
> real Word DOC output.
> Or perhaps there's an other XML to RTF/DOC Konverter...

I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source 
is unproductive.  I work with a text editor and find writing this:

``Hello world,'' says HAL.

much more productive than writing this:

<p>&#8220;Hello world&#8221;</p>, says HAL.

Maybe I'm missing something, but for writing, XML's markup requirements 
-- which are invisible to field-based data entry screen -- are way too 
intense for hand-editing. TeX source is much less verbose. It is easier 
to create, proof (both visually and audibly),  spell check 
troubleshoot, etc. I have not seen an editor capable of doing XML 
source in a productive manner, like (La)TeX with text editor. 
OmniOutliner for OS X is close to being close, but too far from the 
goal to use. Is there some "special thing" I don't know? ???

Thanks.

Bob Kerstetter
http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/

Re[2]: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Monday, December 8, 2003 Bob Kerstetter wrote:

> I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source
> is unproductive.  I work with a text editor and find writing this:

> ``Hello world,'' says HAL.

> much more productive than writing this:

> <p>&#8220;Hello world&#8221;</p>, says HAL.

> Maybe I'm missing something, but for writing, XML's markup requirements
> -- which are invisible to field-based data entry screen -- are way too
> intense for hand-editing. TeX source is much less verbose. It is easier
> to create, proof (both visually and audibly),  spell check 
> troubleshoot, etc. I have not seen an editor capable of doing XML
> source in a productive manner, like (La)TeX with text editor.

I agree with you. Productive editing of XML document requires
specialized editors, and I still haven't found an (open source)
one that was up to the task. Vex is quite promising, in this
regard.

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re[2]: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Hans Hagen]

At 23:06 08/12/2003, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
>Monday, December 8, 2003 Bob Kerstetter wrote:
>
> > I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source
> > is unproductive.  I work with a text editor and find writing this:
>
> > ``Hello world,'' says HAL.
>
> > much more productive than writing this:
>
> > <p>&#8220;Hello world&#8221;</p>, says HAL.

both are wrong in the perspective of xml (structured document coding):

   <quotation>Hello World</quotation>, says HAL

is the way to go

Hans  

context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? )

[Maurice Diamantini]

>> > <p>&#8220;Hello world&#8221;</p>, says HAL.
>
> both are wrong in the perspective of xml (structured document coding):
>
>   <quotation>Hello World</quotation>, says HAL
>
> is the way to go

Hum, yes.
But for
	$x^2 + y^2=25$

you should write (from one of your previous post):

\setupoutput[pdftex]
\usemodule[mathml]
% \usetypescript[palatino][texnansi] \setupbodyfont[palatino]
% \usetypescript[palatino][texnansi] \setupbodyfont[times]
% \usetypescript[fourier] [ec]       \setupbodyfont[fourier]
\starttext
     \startTEXpage
         \startXMLdata
             <math>
                 <apply> <eq/>
                     <apply> <plus/>
                         <ci> x </ci>
                         <apply> <power/>
                             <apply> <sin/>
                                 <ci> x </ci>
                             </apply>
                             <cn> 2 </cn>
                         </apply>
                         <ci> y </ci>
                     </apply>
                     <ci> y </ci>
                 </apply>
             </math>
         \stopXMLdata
   \stopTEXpage
\stoptext

So I think xml is an exchange format, not a human language
as are LaTeX/ConTeXt or even TeX.

A context2html solution is a big miss for ConTeXt
tex4ht could be that solution.
(if only a tex4ht power user would switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt :-)


Maurice Diamantini

Re: context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? )

[Bob Kerstetter]

On Dec 9, 2003, at 6:52 AM, Maurice Diamantini wrote:

> A context2html solution is a big miss for ConTeXt
> tex4ht could be that solution.
> (if only a tex4ht power user would switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt :-)
>

I have contacted a friend who is a tex4ht power user and asked if he 
could help with making tex4ht work with ConTeXt. He said his 
"uneducated guess" is that tex4ht can be made to work with ConTeXt, but 
he would need help installing ConTeXt on his Sun Solaris account. He 
does not have root access. The help would consistent of:

"Where to put things, setting up configuration files if such are 
needed, and similar issues that a user like me with no root access 
might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can 
lead me in small steps through the installation process."

Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that 
type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together.

Re: context2html converter

[Patrick Gundlach]

Bob Kerstetter <bkerstetter@mac.com> writes:

Hi Bob,

> "Where to put things, setting up configuration files if such are
> needed, and similar issues that a user like me with no root access
> might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can
> lead me in small steps through the installation process."
>
> Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that
> type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together.


I have put some instructions at http://levana.de/context/ I could
help with installation steps.


Patrick
-- 
mon trainsistor j'adore

ConTeXt-live distribution

[Maurice Diamantini]

Le 10 déc. 03, à 11:39, Patrick Gundlach a écrit :

> Bob Kerstetter <bkerstetter@mac.com> writes:
>> ... that a user like me with no root access
>> might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can
>> lead me in small steps through the installation process."
>>
>> Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that
>> type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together.
>
> I have put some instructions at http://levana.de/context/ I could
> help with installation steps.

I think Hans provided a limited version for a context standalone
distribution.
But I had problem for install it (whith perl) so I give up.

Also the standard tetex distribution provided with fink (on MacOSX-10.3)
did'n work for me (some itemize bug), and I had to install the texlive
distribution.

The texlive is very nice because it is complete. But it is very heavy
(only the demo version old on a single CD-ROM : the full texlive
take 1.2 Go and need a DVD !)

Why is texlive so big ?
Because it contains all old stuff that any LaTeX/TeX distribution should
contain to be compatible with every TeX based document from the
last few decade ;-)
- every package which was ever able to do multicols
- every package which allows to do clever table
- every package which allows to do verbatim, ...

But ConTeXt is an independant, modern TeX based distribution (even if
it don't (yet) know about simple html :-).

So was do we need to be able to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt?
- a simple standard tetex distib for our old LaTeX document
- a standalone ConTeXt distribution similar to the texlive
   in the idea

This ConTeXt-live should be multiplatform and contain:
- all uptodate reference doc about ConTeXt tools
- all available exemples or model documents
- all contrib extention (m-bib, math, ...)
- the TeX/Metapost and perl distribution.
- all tools (xml, html, ....)

This could be distibute as iso image and could be
use as simple (no privilege) user.

This would also make much easier to give acces to context to
beginer (without the need of texmf experience).


Also, what is missing for ConTeXt versus LaTeX
1 - some good LaTeX class emulation
     (a simple "table of content" is uggli in ConTeXt)
2 - some exemples for writing mathemaics using the new Giuseppe
     math packages
3 - some mean to write xml or html FROM ConTeXt (and NOT the reverse!)
3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and xml)
4 - ...

-- Maurice Diamantini (a recent latex2context switcher)

P.S
sorry for my bad english

Re: ConTeXt-live distribution

[Zunbeltz Izaola]

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Maurice Diamantini wrote:

>
> Le 10 déc. 03, à 11:39, Patrick Gundlach a écrit :
>
> > Bob Kerstetter <bkerstetter@mac.com> writes:
> >> ... that a user like me with no root access
> >> might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can
> >> lead me in small steps through the installation process."
> >>
> >> Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that
> >> type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together.
> >
> > I have put some instructions at http://levana.de/context/ I could
> > help with installation steps.
>
> I think Hans provided a limited version for a context standalone
> distribution.
> But I had problem for install it (whith perl) so I give up.
>
> Also the standard tetex distribution provided with fink (on MacOSX-10.3)
> did'n work for me (some itemize bug), and I had to install the texlive
> distribution.
>
> The texlive is very nice because it is complete. But it is very heavy
> (only the demo version old on a single CD-ROM : the full texlive
> take 1.2 Go and need a DVD !)
>

I don't have the distribution in the hand, but i think the full texlive is
in a DVD, beacause in the same DVD there is a copy of CTAN. I think a
runing copy of TeXLive can be extracted from this DVD to a CD-ROM ( or
two)

> Because it contains all old stuff that any LaTeX/TeX distribution should
> contain to be compatible with every TeX based document from the
> last few decade ;-)
> - every package which was ever able to do multicols
> - every package which allows to do clever table
> - every package which allows to do verbatim, ...
>
> But ConTeXt is an independant, modern TeX based distribution (even if
> it don't (yet) know about simple html :-).
>
> So was do we need to be able to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt?
> - a simple standard tetex distib for our old LaTeX document
> - a standalone ConTeXt distribution similar to the texlive
>    in the idea
>
> This ConTeXt-live should be multiplatform and contain:
> - all uptodate reference doc about ConTeXt tools
> - all available exemples or model documents
> - all contrib extention (m-bib, math, ...)
> - the TeX/Metapost and perl distribution.
> - all tools (xml, html, ....)
>
> This could be distibute as iso image and could be
> use as simple (no privilege) user.
>
> This would also make much easier to give acces to context to
> beginer (without the need of texmf experience).
>
>
I'm a ConTeXt beginer, but i think that texmf is necesary, expecially for
fonts, isn't it?

> Also, what is missing for ConTeXt versus LaTeX
> 1 - some good LaTeX class emulation
>      (a simple "table of content" is uggli in ConTeXt)
> 2 - some exemples for writing mathemaics using the new Giuseppe
>      math packages
> 3 - some mean to write xml or html FROM ConTeXt (and NOT the reverse!)
> 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and xml)
> 4 - ...
>
chears,

Zunbeltz

Re: ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt)

[Pavel Stupin]

____________________________________________________
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:55:34 +0100
Maurice Diamantini <diam@ensta.fr> wrote:
____________________________________________________

: 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and
: xml)

That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to
implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways to typeset
music in ConTeXt?

Best, Pavel.

Re: ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt)

[Hans Hagen]

At 16:10 10/12/2003, you wrote:
>____________________________________________________
>On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:55:34 +0100
>Maurice Diamantini <diam@ensta.fr> wrote:
>____________________________________________________
>
>: 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and
>: xml)
>
>That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to
>implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways to 
>typeset
>music in ConTeXt?

if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine ....

with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are

Hans  

Re: ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt)

[Willi Egger]

Hans Hagen wrote:

> At 16:10 10/12/2003, you wrote:
>
>> ____________________________________________________
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:55:34 +0100
>> Maurice Diamantini <diam@ensta.fr> wrote:
>> ____________________________________________________
>>
>> : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and
>> : xml)
>>
>> That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to
>> implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways 
>> to typeset
>> music in ConTeXt?
>
>
> if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine ....
>
> with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are

Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the software 
runs under Linux and under Cygwin.

I would love to see a METAPOST based engine, but I understand, that this 
is a project for the time Hans has nothing to add anymore to ConTeXt. ;-)

Willi

Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Mittwoch, 10.12.03, um 19:55 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Willi Egger:

>>> : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and
>>> : xml)
>>> That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to
>>> implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other 
>>> ways to typeset
>>> music in ConTeXt?
>>
>> if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine ....
>> with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are
>
> Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the software 
> runs under Linux and under Cygwin.

Hm, perhaps it would be possible to use some MusicTeX version? AFAIK 
that's based on PlainTeX and could be compatible.

But as I looked at it last time, it was impossible to get a working 
distribution (lots of patches and dependencies of tools on unreachable 
sites...); but perhaps someone knows how?

Another problem are appropriate music fonts (I know only Metafonts, 
besides either unusable or expensive PS fonts).

Even if I know that Hans is a capable wizard, I don't think that some 
Metapost music typesetting could provide more than some single note 
lines. If we talk about music typesetting (or try to port or adapt 
something for ConTeXt) we must think in orchestra concert book 
dimensions; I guess musical typography more difficult than "usual".

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
-- 
http://www.fiee.net/texnique/

Re: Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt

[Maurice Diamantini]

Le 10 déc. 03, à 23:05, Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit :


> Am Mittwoch, 10.12.03, um 19:55 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Willi 
> Egger:
>
>>>> : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi 
>>>> and
>>>> : xml)
>>>> That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to
>>>> implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other 
>>>> ways to typeset
>>>> music in ConTeXt?
>>>
>>> if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine ....
>>> with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things 
>>> are
>>
>> Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the 
>> software runs under Linux and under Cygwin.
>
> Hm, perhaps it would be possible to use some MusicTeX version? AFAIK 
> that's based on PlainTeX and could be compatible

I think there VERY much more work about lilypond that about Musi*TeX.
Also Lilipond has a modern approch and has a very good (*TeX) 
documentation.

 From http://lilypond.org/web/about/faq.html

	Will run on my computer?

	LilyPond is written for Unix, so it should run on any modern Unix 
variant,
     including Linux/GNU and MacOS X. There is also a MS Windows port, 
which uses
     the Cygwin environment.

     About other format:
     We have the following requirements:
	    • 	the format must use ASCII,
	    • 	it must be concise enough to type by hand,
	    • 	it must have a concise formal specification,
	    • 	it must be expressive enough to support many types of notation 
and
             printed formats.
     We believe that none of the existing formats address all these 
requirements.
     For example, MusicXML cannot be typed by hand, DARMS is limited in 
its
     application, ABC has no strict formal definition, and NIFF is 
binary.
     Nevertheless, this does not restrict you for using those formats: 
there are
     filters that convert from various formats to .ly


    Also there is some converter from lilypond to xml


So instead of Hans restarting a new Music Notation project, Hans should
make lilypond team using Context instead of LaTeX ;-)

Also I noted that :
- Lilypond is NOT a TeX macro, it only seems to be a
   dedicated (powerfull) subset of TeX (but allow input of TeX macro)
- Lilypond make use of TeX for page breaking and other stuff

So How to use Lilypond with ConTeXt?
1 - use Lilypond as an independant tool for building short
     (less or equal to one page) as pdf figure and
     include them in context as external figure
     (that is the way I'll do, because I'm not clever
     enought to do much more :-)
2 - make Lilypond team understand how ConTeXt is much
     more interesting as automatic formatic tool for
     creating pdf than LaTeX is!
3 - Allow using lilypond inside ConTeXt with
	  \startmusic
       \stopmusic
	I think this method would be much like typesetting
     chimical
     Hans has not to be developping a nex package, just
     using one that already exist

Also I think Lilipond could interest much more people
that the only short xTeX poeple user.
But Lilipond in not as easy to install (to many LaTeX
dependancy).

So the Lilypond tead could be interested by the new future
alternative ConTeXt-live CDROM distribution ;-)

ConTeXt-live (alias LaTeX-3: the only "nothing to install"
TeX based type system that allow to do :
- Mathematical,
- graphical (Metapost),
- Chimical,
- Musical
hight quality pdf documentation or web based presentation!!!



P.S.
I don't (yet) use  Lilypond, but I looked after some text based
Music notation for my wife.
I thought first to MusixTex (too eavy, too old) then the abc format
(which could be import as ps/pdf figure), then I found that
lilypond was closely related to TeX.
So it's probably the choice I'll do.


-- Maurice Diamantini

Re: Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:24 11/12/2003, you wrote:

>So instead of Hans restarting a new Music Notation project, Hans should
>make lilypond team using Context instead of LaTeX ;-)

i'm not that sure (remembering a talk) that th lilypond team is that fond 
on tex -)

>Also I noted that :
>- Lilypond is NOT a TeX macro, it only seems to be a
>   dedicated (powerfull) subset of TeX (but allow input of TeX macro)

it uses the \ as escape (as tex and rtf do)

>- Lilypond make use of TeX for page breaking and other stuff
>
>So How to use Lilypond with ConTeXt?
>1 - use Lilypond as an independant tool for building short
>     (less or equal to one page) as pdf figure and
>     include them in context as external figure
>     (that is the way I'll do, because I'm not clever
>     enought to do much more :-)

if there is a clean way to generate a cropped piece of music, this is 
actually simple:

There is a mechanism in context for processign snippets, something along 
the lines:

\long\def\dostartTEXapplication[#1]#2#3\stopTEXapplication
   {\bgroup
    \bgroup
    \let\f!temporaryextension\c!tex
    \setbuffer[\@@texapp]%
      \ifx\starttext\undefined
        \pdfoutput=1
        \pdfcompresslevel=9
        \hsize0pt
        \vsize0pt
        #2\relax% preamble
        \ifdim\hsize=0pt \hsize20cm\fi
        \ifdim\vsize=0pt \vsize20cm\fi
        \output{}
        \parindent=0pt
        \everypar{}
        \hoffset=-1in
        \voffset=\hoffset
        \setbox0\vbox{#3}
        \ifdim\wd0<1in \message{[warning:  width<1in]}\fi
        \ifdim\ht0<1in \message{[warning: height<1in]}\fi
        \pdfpageheight=\ht0
        \pdfpagewidth=\wd0
        \box0
        \expandafter \bye
      \else
        \starttext
        #2% preamble
        \startTEXpage[#1]%
          \topskip\zeropoint
          \setbox\scratchbox\hbox{#3}%
          \saveTEXapplication02% dimensions
          \box\scratchbox
        \stopTEXpage
        \expandafter \stoptext
      \fi
    \endbuffer
    \egroup
%   \doifelse\jobsuffix{dvi}\donetrue\donefalse
%   \executesystemcommand{texexec \bufferprefix\@@texapp.tex --once --batch}%
    \executesystemcommand{texexec --tex=pdftex --format=plain 
\bufferprefix\@@texapp.tex}%
%   \ifdone % eps
%     \executesystemcommand{dvips -E* -o \@@texapp.eps \@@texapp}%
%   \else % pdf
%     \executesystemcommand{dvips \bufferprefix\@@texapp}%
%     \executesystemcommand{ps2pdf \bufferprefix\@@texapp.ps 
\bufferprefix\@@texapp.pdf}%
%   \fi
%   \restoreTEXapplication % dimensions
    \setbox\scratchbox\hbox
      {\expanded{\externalfigure
%        [\bufferprefix\@@texapp.\ifdone eps\else pdf\fi]
         [\bufferprefix\@@texapp.pdf]
         [\c!object=\v!nee]}}%
%   \setbox\scratchbox\hbox
%     {\lower\ht\scratchbox\hbox{\raise\dimen2\box\scratchbox}}%
%   \wd\scratchbox\dimen0
%   \ht\scratchbox\dimen2
%   \dp\scratchbox\zeropoint
\ruledhbox\bgroup
    \box\scratchbox
\egroup
    \egroup}

\def\startMUSICTEX
   {\dosingleempty\dostartMUSICTEX}

\long\def\dostartMUSICTEX[#1]#2\stopMUSICTEX
   {\startTEXapplication[#1]
      {\input musicnft\relax
       \input musictex\relax
       \hsize5cm}#2%
    \stopTEXapplication}

\protect

\starttext

\starthiding

\startMUSICTEX
   \def\nbinstruments{1}\relax % a single instrument
   \generalmeter{\meterfrac{4}{4}}\relax % 4/4 meter chosen
   \debutextrait % starting real score
   \normal % normal 12 pt note spacing
   \temps\Notes\ibu0f0\qh0{cge}\tbu0\qh0g\enotes
   \finextrait % terminate excerpt
\stopMUSICTEX

\startMUSICTEX
   \def\nbinstruments{3}\relax % a single instrument
   \debutextrait % starting real score
   \temps
     \Notes\ibu0f0\qh0{cge}\tbu0\qh0g\enotes
     \Notes\ibu0f0\qh0{cge}\tbu0\qh0g\enotes
   \finextrait % terminate excerpt
\stopMUSICTEX

\stophiding

\startMUSICTEX
  \generalsignature{1}%
  \def\nbinstruments{1}%
\debutextrait
  \NOtes\zsong{Au }\qu g\enotes
  \NOtes\zsong{clair }\qu g\enotes
  \NOtes\zsong{de }\qu g\enotes
  \NOtes\zsong{la }\qu h\enotes
  \finextrait
\stopMUSICTEX

\stoptext

Willi has played with this and maybe the two of you can figure out what 
this should look like for lilypond.

>2 - make Lilypond team understand how ConTeXt is much
>     more interesting as automatic formatic tool for
>     creating pdf than LaTeX is!

go ahead ...

>3 - Allow using lilypond inside ConTeXt with
>           \startmusic
>       \stopmusic
>         I think this method would be much like typesetting
>     chimical
>     Hans has not to be developping a nex package, just
>     using one that already exist

see a few lines back

>Also I think Lilipond could interest much more people
>that the only short xTeX poeple user.
>But Lilipond in not as easy to install (to many LaTeX
>dependancy).

which is strange since there is not much latex needed for music

>So the Lilypond tead could be interested by the new future
>alternative ConTeXt-live CDROM distribution ;-)
>
>ConTeXt-live (alias LaTeX-3: the only "nothing to install"
>TeX based type system that allow to do :
>- Mathematical,
>- graphical (Metapost),
>- Chimical,
>- Musical
>hight quality pdf documentation or web based presentation!!!
>
>
>
>P.S.
>I don't (yet) use  Lilypond, but I looked after some text based
>Music notation for my wife.
>I thought first to MusixTex (too eavy, too old) then the abc format
>(which could be import as ps/pdf figure), then I found that
>lilypond was closely related to TeX.
>So it's probably the choice I'll do.

i suggest that you mail a bit with Willi Egger (also on this list) in order 
to sort out how to proceed; i can hack tha macros once i know what needs to 
be done

Hans  

Re: Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt

[Hans Hagen]

At 23:05 10/12/2003, you wrote:

>Even if I know that Hans is a capable wizard, I don't think that some 
>Metapost music typesetting could provide more than some single note lines. 
>If we talk about music typesetting (or try to port or adapt something for 
>ConTeXt) we must think in orchestra concert book dimensions; I guess 
>musical typography more difficult than "usual".

one reason to consider metapost is that it is better suited for 
calculations besides being fun; the main problem is in the input language 
since all examples i've seen so far are kind of awful; but don't worry .. i 
currently don't have time for it -)

Are there gui based apps that generate musicxml, whatever that is (maybe 
just another dtd being application data turned into <>'s)?

Hans  

Re: ConTeXt-live distribution

[Hans Hagen]

At 13:55 10/12/2003, you wrote:

....

>This would also make much easier to give acces to context to
>beginer (without the need of texmf experience).

There is indeed such an iso image (100 MB including all doc).

But .. as an experiment you try the following:

(1) download one of:

   http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.rb
   http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.exe

(2) run:

   texsync --update --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force

   with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/documentation

(3) and/or:

   texsync --update --make --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force

   with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/

Given that you have perl installed, the file 'setuptex.bat' (there is also 
a linux one) in the texroot should provide you the minimal system you want.

The destination is optional, and when omitted, it will use kpsewhich to 
determine the root; a first time there is probably no such root.

Hans  

Re: ConTeXt-live distribution

[Adam Lindsay]

Is this another way of saying that there's a new version (+ beta) on the
site? :)

Hans Hagen said this at Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:29 +0100:

>At 13:55 10/12/2003, you wrote:
>
>....
>
>>This would also make much easier to give acces to context to
>>beginer (without the need of texmf experience).
>
>There is indeed such an iso image (100 MB including all doc).
>
>But .. as an experiment you try the following:
>
>(1) download one of:
>
>   http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.rb
>   http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.exe
>
>(2) run:
>
>   texsync --update --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force
>
>   with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/documentation
>
>(3) and/or:
>
>   texsync --update --make --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force
>
>   with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/
>
>Given that you have perl installed, the file 'setuptex.bat' (there is also 
>a linux one) in the texroot should provide you the minimal system you want.
>
>The destination is optional, and when omitted, it will use kpsewhich to 
>determine the root; a first time there is probably no such root.
>
>Hans  
>
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Re: ConTeXt-live distribution

[Hans Hagen]

At 17:43 10/12/2003, you wrote:
>Is this another way of saying that there's a new version (+ beta) on the
>site? :)

since i synced the sit ewith my machine ... indeed (unless something went 
wrong)

Hans  

Re: context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? )

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Bob Kerstetter wrote:

> I have contacted a friend who is a tex4ht power user and asked if he 
> could help with making tex4ht work with ConTeXt. He said his 
> "uneducated guess" is that tex4ht can be made to work with ConTeXt, but 

Hello Bob,
any news about TeX4ht for ConTeXt?
Cheers, Peter

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Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Berend de Boer]

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> I agree with you. Productive editing of XML document requires
> specialized editors, and I still haven't found an (open source)
> one that was up to the task. Vex is quite promising, in this
> regard.

It is called emacs and the XML mode is nxml (James Clarke). Produce a
Relax NG schema, and you will be blown away.

- -- 
Live long and prosper,

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Re: news / bold math

[Lutz Haseloff]

Hans Hagen schrieb:
> News:
> 
>   http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0005.pdf
> 
> bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other bold 
> math fonts yet)
> 
> I also uploaded new versions.

following error occures on every context run with
the new context:

-----------
(c:/fpTeX/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
! Undefined control sequence.
<argument> \??bo \v!synchroniseer

\setvalue #1->\expandafter \def \csname #1
                                           \endcsname
\docommando #1->\setvalue {\??bo #1}
                                     {\verticalstrut \vskip 
-2\lineheight \ve...

\next1 #1,->\docommando {#1}
                             \doprocesscommaitem
\doprocesscommalist ...item \gobbleoneargument #1,
                                                   ]\relax \global 
\advance \...
l.22 ...calstrut\vskip-2\lineheight\verticalstrut]

?
-----------

a bug?


Greetings Lutz

Re: news / bold math

[Lutz Haseloff]

Hi Hans, Hi all!

> Hans Hagen schrieb:
> 
>> News:
>>
>>   http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0005.pdf
>>
>> bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other 
>> bold math fonts yet)
>>
>> I also uploaded new versions.
> 
> 
> following error occures on every context run with
> the new context:
> 
> -----------
> (c:/fpTeX/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
> systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> <argument> \??bo \v!synchroniseer
..
..
..

> ?
> -----------
> 
> a bug?
> 

after some tweaking one error remains:

(c:/fpTeX/texmf-local/tex/context/user/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
! Undefined control sequence.
l.110 \pdfoptionpdfinclusionerrorlevel
                                       =0
?

Greetings Lutz

Re: news / bold math

[Mikael Persson]

> News:
>
>    http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0005.pdf
>
> bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other bold
> math fonts yet)
>
> I also uploaded new versions.
>
> Hans
>

Hi everyone,

this looks fine. I have used Wolfram's Mathematica fonts for a while, and
they have, among others, bold math. I give a link to two pdfs with some
examples. One can download the fonts from Wolframs site.

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/testfile.pdf

I have also generated list of characters available at

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/fontlist.pdf

My question is if there is a way to make the following in a nice way:
Suppose one uses the Wolfram-Times math font as default in a doc. Then one
would like to swich to the Wolfram-Times-Bold math font with \bf. But
maybe one also wants to be able to switch to the Wolfram-Courier math font
with some switch, and perhaps also Woflram-Courier-Bold math font with
another switch.

Moreover, if anyone is interested: There is a package to use these fonts
in LaTeX. I have more or less copied and changed it to work with ConTeXt
and it works more or less. There are some stuff not working yet. If anyone
is interested in this, If I get an OK from the author of the LaTeX package
I can make it available online if anyone is interested.

Regards, Micke P

Re: news / bold math

[Hans Hagen]

At 20:47 27/11/2003, you wrote:

>this looks fine. I have used Wolfram's Mathematica fonts for a while, and
>they have, among others, bold math. I give a link to two pdfs with some
>examples. One can download the fonts from Wolframs site.

can you give a pointer to those fonts?

Hans  

Re: news / bold math

[Mikael Persson]

> At 20:47 27/11/2003, you wrote:
>
>>this looks fine. I have used Wolfram's Mathematica fonts for a while, and
>>they have, among others, bold math. I give a link to two pdfs with some
>>examples. One can download the fonts from Wolframs site.
>
> can you give a pointer to those fonts?
>
> Hans
>

Yes, I forgot to add an url for that :)

http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/windows/general/latestfonts.html

There are links to different versions.

/Micke P

Re: news / bold math

[Tobias Burnus]

Hi,

On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 10:38:52PM +0100, Mikael Persson wrote:
> > can you give a pointer to those fonts?

Windows (type 1 and ttf):
> http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/windows/general/latestfonts.html

For completeness:

MACINTOSH:
  http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/macintosh/general/latestfonts.html

UNIX .pfa:
  http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/unix/general/manualfontdownload.html

UNIX .pcf:
  http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/unix/interface/pcf.html


Tobias

PS: Links taken from http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/fonts/

m-bib and crossref

[William D. Neumann]

I am having a problem with the m-bib module, in that it does not seem to
be handling crossrefs properly.  For example, in my bibtex database I have
the following entries:

@inproceedings{ bos92sigs,
    author = "Jurjen N. E. Bos and David Chaum",
    title = "Provably Unforgeable Signatures",
    crossref={CRYPTO92},
    pages = "1-14"}

@proceedings{CRYPTO92,
  editor    = {Ernest F. Brickell},
  title     = {12th Annual International
               Cryptology Conference, Santa Barbara, California, USA,
               August 16-20, 1992, Proceedings},
  booktitle = {Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '92},
  publisher = {Springer},
  series    = {Lecture Notes in Computer Science},
  volume    = {740},
  year      = {1992},
  isbn      = {3-540-57340-2},
  bibsource = {DBLP, http://dblp.uni-trier.de}
}

if I cite bos92sigs in a LaTeX document, the following reference is
produced:

[3] Jurjen N. E. Bos and David Chaum. Provably unforgeable signatures. In
    Ernest F. Brickell, editor, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO 92, volume
    740 of Lecture Notes in Computer Science, pages 1-14.  Springer, 1992.

But ConTeXt + m-bib produce:
[4] Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable
    signatures.  In [??], pages 1-14.

What this looks like is that m-bib does not handle bibtex crossrefs
properly; it tries to create another entry in the publication list and put
a reference to that new entry in the crossrefrencing entries (although it
did not add an entry for the CRYPTO 92 proceedings in my publication
list...).  What it should be doing (according to the bibtexing document)
is supplying the missing entries (such as booktitle, publisher, etc.) to
the crossreferencing entry, and then creating a new entry in the
publication list only if the same item is crossref'ed by min-crossrefs
(default=2) normal entries.

Is this indeed the case?  If so, is there a simple fix (e.g. some option
that is not in the m-bib documentation)? Or is there some other
bibliography package that handles bibtex crossrefs properly?

Thanks,
William D. Neumann

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ConTeXt and emacs

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

Dear co-listers,

I'm (very slowly) trying to use emacs with ConTeXt. I have tried Berend 
de Boers context.el which offers a good many nice features, but I 
couldn't find for the life of me how to do a couple of things (such as 
run texexec on the file I'm editing). A while ago, Patrick mentioned 
that new versions of auctex will be context-aware, but the "stable" 
version I dlded knew nothing about ConTeXt. Has anybody succeeded in 
installing a new version that's working? Any how-tos about it?

Best

Thomas

Re: ConTeXt and emacs

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Thomas

[...]

> as run texexec on the file I'm editing). A while ago, Patrick
> mentioned that new versions of auctex will be context-aware, but the
> "stable" version I dlded knew nothing about ConTeXt. 

It is in the cvs-version of AUCTeX.

> Has anybody succeeded in installing a new version that's working?
> Any how-tos about it?

Do you know how to use cvs? If yes, look at

http://savannah.nongnu.org/cvs/?group=auctex

for instructions on cvs access.

Patrick
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Re: Re: ConTeXt and emacs

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

Hi Patrick,

sorry, I'm too dumb for CVS. I succeeded in finding your file 
context.el and dlding it, but how do I make it work in auctex? Is it 
sufficient to just copy it into site-lisp/auctex/ ? I guess I'll have 
to modify tex-site.el, right? Sorry for those stooooopid questions, but 
these are my first steps with emacs--it took me ages just to find out 
how to make it use mac-roman in the right way so I could use files in 
it and TeXShop.

Best

Thomas

Re: ConTeXt and emacs

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Thomas,

> sorry, I'm too dumb for CVS. I succeeded in finding your file
> context.el and dlding it, but how do I make it work in auctex? Is it
> sufficient to just copy it into site-lisp/auctex/ ? 

Oh, no. context.el only works with the cvs version of the other files
that come with AUCTeX. 

> I guess I'll have to modify tex-site.el, right? Sorry for those
> stooooopid questions, but these are my first steps with emacs--it
> took me ages just to find out how to make it use mac-roman in the
> right way so I could use files in it and TeXShop.

If you are interested, I can send you the current cvs version of
AUCTeX off-list. You need to follow the install-instructions that are
mentioned in file README.CVS. But: you need autoconf installed on
your system for the cvs version. 

Patrick
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Re: ConTeXt and emacs

[Matthew Huggett]

Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:

> Dear co-listers,
>
> I'm (very slowly) trying to use emacs with ConTeXt. I have tried 
> Berend de Boers context.el which offers a good many nice features, but 
> I couldn't find for the life of me how to do a couple of things (such 
> as run texexec on the file I'm editing).

In Emacs, to process a file with texexec you can select "TeX file" from 
the TeX menu or you can hit C-c C-f. (providing context.el is loaded)
If you need to run texexec with any switches, I guess you could start up 
eshell (M-x eshell) and do it manually from there.
Matt

Re: m-bib and crossref

[Taco Hoekwater]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:28:51 -0700 (MST), William wrote:

> But ConTeXt + m-bib produce:
> [4] Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable
>     signatures.  In [??], pages 1-14.

If you run ConTeXt one more time, you will get:

  Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures.  
  In (Brickell, 1992), pages 1-14.
 
The module inserts a 'default' \cite command for the referenced item.  This is 
exactly the behavior I intended, even if it is not compatible with LaTeX practise. 
Personally I like 'real' cross-referencing better than filling in fields in order to
minimize the number of keystrokes in the BIB file.

Unfortunately, there is an error in the code that prevents the referenced entry 
from automatically appearing in the publication list.

A quick hack: replace '\completepublications' with

  \setbox0\vbox{\placepublications}
  \completepublications

This will essentially typeset the list twice, the internal \cite will be processed
in the first pass, and will therefore be known in the second pass. I have
written down this bug for a future release, implementing a clean solution
for this bug is too hard for me to allow me to write a fix right this instant. 

> Is this indeed the case?  If so, is there a simple fix (e.g. some option
> that is not in the m-bib documentation)? Or is there some other
> bibliography package that handles bibtex crossrefs properly?

I don't think there is any other package. If there was, I wouldnt have written 
m-bib in the first place.

A little side note: "-min-crossrefs" is not applicable since the entire database 
*always* appears in the bbl file. This is a problem that is caused indirectly by 
the fact that Bibtex is not a generic bibliographic manager, but instead is a 
LaTeX-centric data preprocessor.  :-/

Greetings,

Taco

Re: m-bib and crossref

[William D. Neumann]

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> If you run ConTeXt one more time, you will get:
>
>   Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures.
>   In (Brickell, 1992), pages 1-14.
>
> The module inserts a 'default' \cite command for the referenced item.  This is
> exactly the behavior I intended, even if it is not compatible with LaTeX practise.
> Personally I like 'real' cross-referencing better than filling in fields in order to
> minimize the number of keystrokes in the BIB file.

I suppose that's a valid sentiment, although it saves many, many
keystrokes when your bib file is full of proceedings and journal articles.
Plus it looks fairly silly to reference the proceedings when you reference
only one or two of the articles in it (the same goes for books, journals,
etc.).  Oh well... until I'm willing to write my own package I suppose I
have to play along or go back to LaTeX.

> Unfortunately, there is an error in the code that prevents the referenced entry
> from automatically appearing in the publication list.
>
> A quick hack: replace '\completepublications' with
>
>   \setbox0\vbox{\placepublications}
>   \completepublications

Thanks, however there is a slight problem with this method: When I use
refcommand=num and numbering=yes (which is required for some
publications), then the crossreference in the article entry is corect,
e.g.

[4] Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable
    signatures. In [11], pages 1-14.

However, the entry for the proceedings themselves have the wrong number,
they get reset and start over from 1 e.g.

[1] Ernest F. Brickell, , editor (1992). 12th Annual International
    Cryptology Conference, Santa Barbara, California, USA, August 16-20,
    1992, Proceedings, number 740 in Lecture Notes in Computer Science. ,
    Springer.

Do You know of any way around this, or am I just going to have to manually
edit the bbl file?

Two more questions:
1: Whenever a reference includes an editor, it is typeset as:
(Editor Name), , rest of reference (see above for example).  I've  tried
playing around with the various namesep settings, but I can't get rid of
that second ", " pair.  How do I get rid of it?

2: As you can see above, I've selected \normalauthor for the typesetting
of names in the references, however, whenever a publication has three or
more authors, the names are typest in the apa \invertedshortauthor format.
Is there some way to override this?

Thanks for the help and for the package -- I would hate to have to
manually create my list of references for every paper I write.

William D. Neumann

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Re: m-bib and crossref

[Taco Hoekwater]

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:00:08 -0700 (MST), William wrote:

> > Personally I like 'real' cross-referencing better than filling in fields in order to
> > minimize the number of keystrokes in the BIB file.
> 
> I suppose that's a valid sentiment, although it saves many, many
> keystrokes when your bib file is full of proceedings and journal articles.
> Plus it looks fairly silly to reference the proceedings when you reference
> only one or two of the articles in it (the same goes for books, journals,
> etc.).  Oh well... until I'm willing to write my own package I suppose I
> have to play along or go back to LaTeX.

If there are more people that agree with you I might change my mind ...

> However, the entry for the proceedings themselves have the wrong number,
> they get reset and start over from 1 e.g.
> 
> Do You know of any way around this, or am I just going to have to manually
> edit the bbl file?

You could always \cite the proceedings manually. If you put the reference
 in a \setbox command it wont  show up in the running text, like so:

 \setbox0\hbox{\cite[XX]}

Wrt to your other questions: could you send me your input file(s) or
the exact settings you used? It will be (a lot) easier to re-enact your 
observations if I do not have to guess and invent stuff myself.


-- 
groeten,

Taco

Re: m-bib and crossref

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:00:08 -0700 (MST), William wrote:
> >
> > I suppose that's a valid sentiment, although it saves many, many
> > keystrokes when your bib file is full of proceedings and journal articles.
> > Plus it looks fairly silly to reference the proceedings when you reference
> > only one or two of the articles in it (the same goes for books, journals,
> > etc.).  Oh well... until I'm willing to write my own package I suppose I
> > have to play along or go back to LaTeX.
>
> If there are more people that agree with you I might change my mind ...

Hello,
me too, I agree. I'm just beginning to learn ConTeXt, but soon I'll have
some application of your bib-module.
Cheers, Peter

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Re: news / bold math

[Adam Lindsay]

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Hans Hagen said this at Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:58:55 +0100:

>bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other bold 
>math fonts yet)

Very cool.

I'm trying it with Euler, and it almost works. However, the [size]
typescript finds the namespace too crowded... well, as far as I can tell,
the size definitions done by:
   \usetypescript[boldmath][euler][size]
are knocked aside by:
   \usetypescript[math][euler][size]

The best case gets the normal weight, the boldmath bodyfont, and \bfm
weight available. Either normal or bold has the different design sizes
(10, 7, 5pt) applied, but not both at once. From what I understand (and
my font knowledge is still limited--I don't know how or where the size
typescripts get called), this will be an issue in supporting cmr boldmath
as well.

Does anyone else have some insight?

If you'd like to try them out, my current files are attached. They depend
on the virtual euler package:
<http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/eulervm.html?
action=/tex-archive/fonts/>

adam

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Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Christopher G D Tipper]

> On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:33 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 
> > Am Montag, 08.12.03, um 18:20 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Bob 
> > Kerstetter:
> >> ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, 
> >> colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. 
> >> It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from 
> >> the same document?
> >
> > The normal way to get both PDF and HTML is using a XML source.
> > You know of ConTeXts native XML mode?
> > AFAIK you can import XML or HTML into MS Office, too, so you need no 
> > real Word DOC output.
> > Or perhaps there's an other XML to RTF/DOC Konverter...
> 
> I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source 
> is unproductive.  I work with a text editor and find writing this:
> 
> ``Hello world,'' says HAL.
> 
> much more productive than writing this:
> 
> <p>&#8220;Hello world&#8221;</p>, says HAL.
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something, but for writing, XML's markup requirements 
> -- which are invisible to field-based data entry screen -- are way too 
> intense for hand-editing. TeX source is much less verbose. It is easier 
> to create, proof (both visually and audibly),  spell check 
> troubleshoot, etc. I have not seen an editor capable of doing XML 
> source in a productive manner, like (La)TeX with text editor. 

This is probably taboo, but surely the smart thing to do is start from Word, generate some XML with macros, and produce some HTML with stylesheets, some PDF with ConTeXt. BTW you can generate some simple Context with VB macros and hand-edit -- saves a whole load of mundane stuff. I can go from a web page to PDF in under 15 minutes using the Word macros I have for Context.

Christopher


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Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Bob Kerstetter]

On Dec 9, 2003, at 5:39 PM, Christopher G D Tipper wrote:

>> On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:33 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>
>>> Am Montag, 08.12.03, um 18:20 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Bob
>>> Kerstetter:
>>>> ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers,
>>>> colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and 
>>>> on.
>>>> It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from
>>>> the same document?
>>>
>>> The normal way to get both PDF and HTML is using a XML source.
>>> You know of ConTeXts native XML mode?
>>> AFAIK you can import XML or HTML into MS Office, too, so you need no
>>> real Word DOC output.
>>> Or perhaps there's an other XML to RTF/DOC Konverter...
>>
>> I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML 
>> source
>> is unproductive.  I work with a text editor and find writing this:
>>
>> ``Hello world,'' says HAL.
>>
>> much more productive than writing this:
>>
>> <p>&#8220;Hello world&#8221;</p>, says HAL.
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing something, but for writing, XML's markup 
>> requirements
>> -- which are invisible to field-based data entry screen -- are way 
>> too 
>> intense for hand-editing. TeX source is much less verbose. It is 
>> easier
>> to create, proof (both visually and audibly),  spell check
>> troubleshoot, etc. I have not seen an editor capable of doing XML
>> source in a productive manner, like (La)TeX with text editor.
>
> This is probably taboo, but surely the smart thing to do is start from 
> Word, generate some XML with macros, and produce some HTML with 
> stylesheets, some PDF with ConTeXt. BTW you can generate some simple 
> Context with VB macros and hand-edit -- saves a whole load of mundane 
> stuff. I can go from a web page to PDF in under 15 minutes using the 
> Word macros I have for Context.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I don't really have a problem with Word for writing letters and the 
like. For large docs, however, it's just too unpredictable. Images move 
around. Numbered lists break. Cross references change. Formatting blows 
up if you even look at an end-paragraph mark (where all the paragraph 
info is stored). Styles revert to their defaults. Word crashes, often. 
My main source documents would be in a proprietary file format known 
for its tendencies toward corruption. I used Word for 15 years and it's 
just too much pain. My schedules are too tight to trust it.

But least I sound like an MS basher, Word TOCs and Tables are 
excellent. Mail merge to email using MAPI it cool. And I did once write 
a complete Windows help system generator using only Word Basic. This 
was before VBA, before you had to be an OO programmer to write Word 
macros. :)

These days I keep Word for Windows safety contained in a Mac OS X 
Remote Desktop Connection window. ;-)

Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Bruce D'Arcus]

someone (not sure who) said:
> I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source 
> is unproductive.  I work with a text editor and find writing this:
> 
> ``Hello world,'' says HAL.
> 
> much more productive than writing this:
> 
> <p>&#8220;Hello world&#8221;</p>, says HAL.
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something, but for writing, XML's markup requirements 
> -- which are invisible to field-based data entry screen -- are way too 
> intense for hand-editing. TeX source is much less verbose. It is easier 
> to create, proof (both visually and audibly),  spell check 
> troubleshoot, etc. I have not seen an editor capable of doing XML 
> source in a productive manner, like (La)TeX with text editor.

You're missing something.  For one, your above example would be:

<p><q>Hello world</q>, says HAL.</p>

Second, try something like nXML mode for emacs, or the XML plug-in for
jEdit.  Real-time markup validation, tag-completion, spell-checking,
etc.

Finally, you're missing the biggest point of all: XML is about reuse.
You cleanly separate markup from presentation so that -- among other
things -- you can trivially transform that to different output.

Bruce 

Re: ConTeXt Switcher?

[Christopher G. D. Tipper]

> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:27:34 +0100
> From: Giuseppe Bilotta <gip.bilotta@iol.it>
> To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Subject: Re[2]: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Switcher?
> Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
>
> Not that I see the purpose of using Word in the frist place.
> Any decent editor has enough macro power to do the same.
>
> -- 
> Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

You missed the point. You markup and style your document using Word
styles, and then XML is a matter of search and replace. I am not interested
in Word per se, but I find using emacs to insert markup during document
creation gets in the way of my thought processes. This way I can push markup
worries to the editorial stage.

People are fond of pointing out Words vices, and I wouldn't quibble with
arguments about its stability, but it is about time OpenOffice and its ilk
stopped resting on their laurels and started implementing some macro
capability. I notice that AbiWord has a DocBook output format, but how well
integrated this is I don't know.

On Micro$oft's part if they had some real competition a real market in
third-party templates might arrive. As it stands I have a 50% solution that
handles footnotes and lists, but re-distribution is hampered by the way Word
handles its templates and virus worries. Theoretically I could do tables and
limited image markup using the same techniques. Leveraging the visual layout
tools of a word-processor makes so much sense I wonder at the mentality of
people still struggling with text-editors. I have emacs set up on my
machine, but it really looks like back to the future from my point of view.
I use WinEdt when I'm booted into Windows.

btw you can use the same technique to generate native Context markup. It
needs hand-editting, but as a rough draft, this works fine for me, and I
don't have to re-invent the wheel every time I have a new document.

Christopher