* In-text itemizations break spacing @ 2011-01-04 16:44 Philipp A. 2011-01-04 17:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Philipp A. @ 2011-01-04 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ConTeXt Mainling List [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 780 bytes --] Hi ConTeXtans, \startitemize[text] is a very cool command, but i run frequently into “Overfull \hbox” errors. It would be nice if some context magicians would change the ~1em-wide space in front of the “•” or “(1.)” to scale and compensate the majority of line width issues. (you can easily chop off or add loads of space to a 1em-space without making it ugly) i hope you dig my idea, Philipp PS: if somebody doesn’t know how \startitemize[text] looks like; about like this: „Formen sind • Überspringen von Exons, • Benutzung alternativer 3’- und 5’-Splice-Stellen, • und alle Kombinationen aus oben genanntem.“ (You’ll need a proportional Font to see this and gmail and the mailing list need to conserve the em quad…) [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 796 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: In-text itemizations break spacing 2011-01-04 16:44 In-text itemizations break spacing Philipp A. @ 2011-01-04 17:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2011-01-04 17:51 ` Philipp A. 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-01-04 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 04.01.2011 um 17:44 schrieb Philipp A.: > Hi ConTeXtans, > > \startitemize[text] is a very cool command, but i run frequently into “Overfull \hbox” errors. > > It would be nice if some context magicians would change the ~1em-wide space in front of the “•” or “(1.)” to scale and compensate the majority of line width issues. (you can easily chop off or add loads of space to a 1em-space without making it ugly) > > i hope you dig my idea, Make a example next time! \showframe \setbreakpoints[compound] \starttext „Formen sind \startitemize[text][textdistance=medium] \item Überspringen von Exons, \item Benutzung alternativer 3’- und 5’-Splice-Stellen, \item und alle Kombinationen \stopitemize aus oben genanntem.“ \stoptext Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: In-text itemizations break spacing 2011-01-04 17:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-01-04 17:51 ` Philipp A. 2011-01-04 18:58 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Philipp A. @ 2011-01-04 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 442 bytes --] 2011/1/4 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> > Make a example next time! > > [Example] > > Wolfgang > so [textdistance=medium] is the solution, thanks! nevertheless, i couldn’t find documentation about “textdistance”, and i don’t think it to be very intuitive, that this changes the space to be more flexible. would you mind telling me why this is the case, and why this isn’t standard behavior? [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 710 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: In-text itemizations break spacing 2011-01-04 17:51 ` Philipp A. @ 2011-01-04 18:58 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2011-01-04 20:33 ` Philipp A. 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-01-04 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1065 bytes --] Am 04.01.2011 um 18:51 schrieb Philipp A.: > 2011/1/4 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> > Make a example next time! > > [Example] > > Wolfgang > > so [textdistance=medium] is the solution, thanks! > > nevertheless, i couldn’t find documentation about “textdistance”, The option was added last march and it’s now up to you to document it. The values for the key are none : no distance between items small : half the value of a normal space, can be stretched by half of a em medium : normal space distance, can be stretched by 1em big : 1em, can be stretched or shrinked by a space width <skip> : e.g. 3pt plus 2pt minus 1pt > and i don’t think it to be very intuitive, that this changes the space to be more flexible. sorry but i forgot why we used these values, maybe a smaller stretch value for small and medium make sense > would you mind telling me why this is the case, and why this isn’t standard behavior? backward compatibility, i would also prefer “medium” as default value Wolfgang [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1992 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: In-text itemizations break spacing 2011-01-04 18:58 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-01-04 20:33 ` Philipp A. 2011-01-05 9:24 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Philipp A. @ 2011-01-04 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2077 bytes --] 2011/1/4 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> > Am 04.01.2011 um 18:51 schrieb Philipp A.: > > 2011/1/4 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> > >> Make a example next time! >> >> [Example] >> >> Wolfgang >> > > so [textdistance=medium] is the solution, thanks! > > nevertheless, i couldn’t find documentation about “textdistance”, > > The option was added last march and it’s now up to you to document it. > > The values for the key are > > none : no distance between items > small : half the value of a normal space, can be stretched by half of a em > medium : normal space distance, can be stretched by 1em > big : 1em, can be stretched or shrinked by a space width > <skip> : e.g. 3pt plus 2pt minus 1pt > been there <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupitemgroup>, done that <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/keyword:textdistance>. > and i don’t think it to be very intuitive, that this changes the space to > be more flexible. > > sorry but i forgot why we used these values, maybe a smaller stretch value > for small and medium make sense > i don’t think so (or at least not much less), and i meant sth. different: “textdistance=medium” does not mean “greater flexibility”, it does mean “no change in flexibility, just in distance”. using medium as standard value would be ok, though, because you get the flexible (=mostly better) behavior as standard, and the rigid as option. > would you mind telling me why this is the case, and why this isn’t standard > behavior? > > backward compatibility, i would also prefer “medium” as default value > can’t we just screw backward compatibility at all costs here? i mean: “medium” won’t make it worse in most cases, just better! (the maximum space is 1em+1sp, so we probably will never get different hyphenation, but almost always less overfull \hboxes) also, \setbreakpoints[compound] should be standard in my opinion. Wolfgang > thanks for the answer, phil [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3719 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: In-text itemizations break spacing 2011-01-04 20:33 ` Philipp A. @ 2011-01-05 9:24 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-01-05 9:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 04.01.2011 um 21:33 schrieb Philipp A.: > can’t we just screw backward compatibility at all costs here? i mean: “medium” won’t make it worse in most cases, just better! it’s up to Hans but i would also prefer “medium” as standard value in mkiv > (the maximum space is 1em+1sp, so we probably will never get different hyphenation, but almost always less overfull \hboxes) the overfull box in your example was caused by the compound word at the end off the line, besides \setbreakpoints you can reduce such message with different settings for \setupalign (e.g. with verytolerant or stretch or hz etc.) Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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