big are big with lucida

big are big with lucida

[Eric DÉTREZ]

Hello

The bigl, bigr ans so on are really BIG (huge even) when used with  
lucida.

I think that math-lbr is guilty : it says
******************************************
\def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{8.20}}
\def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{10.80}}
\def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{13.42}}
\def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{16.03}}
\def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{17.72}}
\def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{21.25}}
******************************************
Shouldn't it says
******************************************
\def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.920}}
\def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{1.080}}
\def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{1.342}}
\def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{1.603}}
\def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{1.772}}
\def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{2.125}}
******************************************
?

There is a strange behavior :  if I put
  \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.930}}
big is bigger than Big.
How is this possible ?

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Re: big are big with lucida

[Yue Wang]

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Are you sure? see the first line of the attachment.

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
> Hello
>
> The bigl, bigr ans so on are really BIG (huge even) when used with
> lucida.
>
> I think that math-lbr is guilty : it says
> ******************************************
> \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{8.20}}
> \def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{10.80}}
> \def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{13.42}}
> \def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{16.03}}
> \def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{17.72}}
> \def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{21.25}}
> ******************************************
> Shouldn't it says
> ******************************************
> \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.920}}
> \def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{1.080}}
> \def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{1.342}}
> \def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{1.603}}
> \def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{1.772}}
> \def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{2.125}}
> ******************************************
> ?
>
> There is a strange behavior :  if I put
>  \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.930}}
> big is bigger than Big.
> How is this possible ?
>
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Eric DÉTREZ]

Le 29 août 08 à 04:51, Yue Wang a écrit :

> Are you sure? see the first line of the attachment.

It seems that the text you sent is writen with CM fonts.
The problem is only with Lucida fonts.

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Re: big are big with lucida

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Le 29 août 08 à 04:51, Yue Wang a écrit :
>
>> Are you sure? see the first line of the attachment.
>
> It seems that the text you sent is writen with CM fonts.
> The problem is only with Lucida fonts.

This is *not* Latin/Computer Modern.

Wolfgang
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Eric DÉTREZ]

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Le 29 août 08 à 08:59, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit :

> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Le 29 août 08 à 04:51, Yue Wang a écrit :
>>
>>> Are you sure? see the first line of the attachment.
>>
>> It seems that the text you sent is writen with CM fonts.
>> The problem is only with Lucida fonts.
>
> This is *not* Latin/Computer Modern.

Allright, I'm not a font expert.
Here is what I get when I disable
\def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.920}}
\def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{1.080}}
\def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{1.342}}
\def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{1.603}}
\def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{1.772}}
\def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{2.125}}
:


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Re: big are big with lucida

[Yue Wang]

> Allright, I'm not a font expert.
> Here is what I get when I disable
> \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.920}}
> \def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{1.080}}
> \def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{1.342}}
> \def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{1.603}}
> \def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{1.772}}
> \def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{2.125}}
> :

Oh, My God~
Make sure your font installation are right.
Which TFM do you use?
Please follow http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2008/033517.html.
big braces are working fine on my documents.
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Yue Wang]

This is of course Lucida Expert fonts.
(The quality of the image is not so good, because I cannot upload
large attachments.  that's it.)

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Le 29 août 08 à 04:51, Yue Wang a écrit :
>
>> Are you sure? see the first line of the attachment.
>
> It seems that the text you sent is writen with CM fonts.
> The problem is only with Lucida fonts.
>
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Taco Hoekwater]

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
>> Le 29 août 08 à 04:51, Yue Wang a écrit :
>>
>>> Are you sure? see the first line of the attachment.
>> It seems that the text you sent is writen with CM fonts.
>> The problem is only with Lucida fonts.
> 
> This is *not* Latin/Computer Modern.

The jpg from Yue Wang looks like it is using Times.

Best wishes,
Taco



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Re: big are big with lucida

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Le 29 août 08 à 04:51, Yue Wang a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Are you sure? see the first line of the attachment.
>>> It seems that the text you sent is writen with CM fonts.
>>> The problem is only with Lucida fonts.
>>
>> This is *not* Latin/Computer Modern.
>
> The jpg from Yue Wang looks like it is using Times.

Definitely not, Times is different.

Wolfgang
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

Yue Wang wrote:
> This is of course Lucida Expert fonts.
> (The quality of the image is not so good, because I cannot upload
> large attachments.  that's it.)

What does your typescript look like? Lucida Expert may not be the
same as the Lucida Bright fonts from TUG (previously YandY).

Best wishes,
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Yue Wang]

OK, I will re sent the pdf tonight.


On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
>> Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> Le 29 août 08 à 04:51, Yue Wang a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure? see the first line of the attachment.
>>>> It seems that the text you sent is writen with CM fonts.
>>>> The problem is only with Lucida fonts.
>>>
>>> This is *not* Latin/Computer Modern.
>>
>> The jpg from Yue Wang looks like it is using Times.
>
> Definitely not, Times is different.
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Yue Wang]

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On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Yue Wang <yuleopen@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, I will re sent the pdf tonight.
>
s/sent/send/g
btw, Taco, the attachment restriction (40k) is too stirct...

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Re: big are big with lucida

[Yue Wang]

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
> Hello
>
> The bigl, bigr ans so on are really BIG (huge even) when used with
> lucida.
>
> I think that math-lbr is guilty : it says
> ******************************************
> \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{8.20}}
> \def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{10.80}}
> \def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{13.42}}
> \def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{16.03}}
> \def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{17.72}}
> \def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{21.25}}
> ******************************************
> Shouldn't it says
> ******************************************
> \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.920}}
> \def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{1.080}}
> \def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{1.342}}
> \def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{1.603}}
> \def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{1.772}}
> \def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{2.125}}
> ******************************************
> ?

How do you get these variables? the symbols in lucida math are different.
you can also refer to
ftp://ftp.comp.hkbu.edu.hk/pub/TeX/CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/psnfssx/lucidabr/lucidabr.pdf.
page 9, line 263-273

>
> There is a strange behavior :  if I put
>  \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.930}}
> big is bigger than Big.
> How is this possible ?
>
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Yue Wang]

oh, I made a another mistake. I mean __complete__ set (not basic set)
font from TUG:)

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yue Wang wrote:
>> This is of course Lucida Expert fonts.
>> (The quality of the image is not so good, because I cannot upload
>> large attachments.  that's it.)
>
> What does your typescript look like? Lucida Expert may not be the
> same as the Lucida Bright fonts from TUG (previously YandY).
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Taco Hoekwater]

Yue Wang wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Yue Wang <yuleopen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK, I will re sent the pdf tonight.
>>
> s/sent/send/g

Thank you. Now I no longer understand why Eric got wrong output :(

> btw, Taco, the attachment restriction (40k) is too stirct...

I do not think we can enlarge the value by much, this mailing list
has a whole lot of people on it, and some of them are on slow
connections. But maybe just a bit more will be ok. Hans?

Best wishes,
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Hans Hagen]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Yue Wang wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Yue Wang <yuleopen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> OK, I will re sent the pdf tonight.
>>>
>> s/sent/send/g
> 
> Thank you. Now I no longer understand why Eric got wrong output :(
> 
>> btw, Taco, the attachment restriction (40k) is too stirct...
> 
> I do not think we can enlarge the value by much, this mailing list
> has a whole lot of people on it, and some of them are on slow
> connections. But maybe just a bit more will be ok. Hans?

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Re: big are big with lucida

[Yue Wang]

There is one possible condition:

He failed to install the math part of the lucida font (either pfbs or tfms) .
and then to some unknown reasons....
ConTeXt switch to the Latin Modern Font.
But it still use value like 8.20 (defined in math-lbr) instead of 0.85
(defined in plain TeX, core-mat and math-tex)
Then the braces are gigantic big...

please have a check if this is the cause -_-

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> Yue Wang wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Yue Wang <yuleopen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> OK, I will re sent the pdf tonight.
>>>
>> s/sent/send/g
>
> Thank you. Now I no longer understand why Eric got wrong output :(
>
>> btw, Taco, the attachment restriction (40k) is too stirct...
>
> I do not think we can enlarge the value by much, this mailing list
> has a whole lot of people on it, and some of them are on slow
> connections. But maybe just a bit more will be ok. Hans?
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
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Re: big are big with lucida

[Eric DÉTREZ]

Le 29 août 08 à 12:00, Yue Wang a écrit :

> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Eric DÉTREZ <ericd13@mac.com> wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> The bigl, bigr ans so on are really BIG (huge even) when used with
>> lucida.
>>
>> I think that math-lbr is guilty : it says
>> ******************************************
>> \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{8.20}}
>> \def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{10.80}}
>> \def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{13.42}}
>> \def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{16.03}}
>> \def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{17.72}}
>> \def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{21.25}}
>> ******************************************
>> Shouldn't it says
>> ******************************************
>> \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.920}}
>> \def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{1.080}}
>> \def\LBRbigg {\@@dobig{1.342}}
>> \def\LBRBigg {\@@dobig{1.603}}
>> \def\LBRbiggg{\@@dobig{1.772}}
>> \def\LBRBiggg{\@@dobig{2.125}}
>> ******************************************
>> ?
>
> How do you get these variables? the symbols in lucida math are  
> different.

I just divided the size by 10 with a modification for big (doesn't  
understand why, see the second part of my question).
They look like the sizes in math-tex
******************************************
\def\PLAINbig {\@@dobig{0.85}}
\def\PLAINBig {\@@dobig{1.15}}
\def\PLAINbigg{\@@dobig{1.45}}
\def\PLAINBigg{\@@dobig{1.75}}
******************************************

> you can also refer to
> ftp://ftp.comp.hkbu.edu.hk/pub/TeX/CTAN/macros/latex/contrib/psnfssx/lucidabr/lucidabr.pdf 
> .
> page 9, line 263-273

Indeed the original sizes are the same.
But the lucidabr package uses 8.20 pt and context uses a multiple of  
fontsize :
******************************************
\def\@@dobig#1#2%
   {{\hbox{$\left#2\vbox\!!to#1\bodyfontsize{}\right.\n@space$}}}
******************************************

Does anybody understand why big with \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.930}} is  
bigger than Big with \def\LBRBig  {\@@dobig{1.080}} ?

>> There is a strange behavior :  if I put
>> \def\LBRbig  {\@@dobig{0.930}}
>> big is bigger than Big.
>> How is this possible ?



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