From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/17509 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bruce D'Arcus Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: mag-0008 (was: XML & s) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: <2F7C1CE6-4D4D-11D9-AAF1-000A959F0E52@fastmail.fm> References: <41BA1753.9080206@wxs.nl> <20041213180232.18842@news.comp.lancs.ac.uk> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103015882 32559 80.91.229.6 (14 Dec 2004 09:18:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users , Hans Hagen Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Dec 14 10:17:55 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ce8od-0004Co-00 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:17:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17F2127A1; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:17:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02165-09-3; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:17:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B685A1279E; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:42:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D801279C for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:23:15 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31166-04 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:23:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (unknown [66.111.4.26]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CCE12789 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:23:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from frontend3.messagingengine.com (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D830AC3F584; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:23:12 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: PgMNPfwillEiT1FcvvMD8Q 1102972991 Original-Received: from [134.53.57.141] (unknown [134.53.57.141]) by frontend3.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB45D25535; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:23:09 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20041213180232.18842@news.comp.lancs.ac.uk> Original-To: "Adam Lindsay" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:42:33 +0100 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:17509 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:17509 On Dec 13, 2004, at 1:02 PM, Adam Lindsay wrote: > What I propose is clearly a debatable XML-design issue, but it seemed > strange that fx:definelayout and fx:p were put into the same namespace. > Why do the formatting definitions share the same (theoretical) schema > as > markup? Your documents keep these categories separate, as one would > expect. Why not encourage people to put them in separate files, as with > "normal" ConTeXt workflows? The designer and author are more clearly > divorced when you don't assume an XSLT-centric flow, right? FWIW, I'm currently working on a comprehensive XSLT-based solution for bibliographic formatting (think bibtex for xml, only better). In that, I'm working across multiple namespaces: 1) document (docbook ng) 2) bibliographic data (mods) 3) a citation formatting language (homegrown; again, in its own namespace) 4) output (xhtml, for example) I agree with the notion that, in principle, semantic document markup should be in a separate namespace from the formatting language. BTW, Hans, I've yet to see the ContML schema. Care to post it somewhere? Also, FYI, I and an engineer at Sun have some up with a small citation schema designed for embedding in other XML dialects. It has been approved for OpenOffice. http://www.users.muohio.edu/darcusb/files/citation-schema.tar.gz It's more for GUI apps (it's rather verbose), but could still be useful in other contexts. Bruce