the name of space between adjascent pages

the name of space between adjascent pages

[Ed L. Cashin]

Hi.  I am using page arranging to print a little booklet, and I would
like to increase the space between the pages.  I would like to be able
to manipulate the space between the pages without changing the
parameters for each individual page (margins).

If that's not possible, I'm looking for a kind of specification for
the *inside* margin, so that it's one side on verso and the other on
recto pages.  (I just toured a typesetting firm and learned that verso
and recto are odd and even doublesided pages! :)

Here's the kind of code I'm using:

\setuppapersize		[A6][letter]
\setuparranging		[2*2,rotated,doublesided]
\setuppagenumber	[alternative=doublesided] 
\setuplayout		[width=fit,
			 location=middle,marking=on] 
\setuptolerance		[tolerant] 
\setupwhitespace	[medium]
\setupbodyfont		[9pt]

\showframe
\starttext

\startitemize[N]
\dorecurse{10}{
\item
{\em Wool\/} is the word.\index{wool} Nothing eliminates fear of cold
quite like warmth.  Warmth --- nice, cozy, comfortable warmth --- can make
cold weather seem brisk and exciting!  Warmth comes from
insulation.  Polartec is pretty good insulation and will do well, but
wool is magical fireside satisfaction in a can: {\it who's bad?\/}

}
\stopitemize
\stoptext

I'd like to go from ...

 ------------------------------            ------------------------------
|    ---------    ---------    |  	  |  ---------        ---------  |
|   |         |  |         |   |  	  | |         |      |         | |
|   |         |  |         |   |  	  | |         |      |         | |
|   |         |  |         |   |  to ...  | |         |      |         | |
|   |         |  |         |   |  	  | |         |      |         | |
|   |         |  |         |   |  	  | |         |      |         | |
|    ---------    ---------    |  	  |  ---------        ---------  |
 ------------------------------            ------------------------------
               ^^                                      ^^^^^^
           small space                                big space

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RE: the name of space between adjascent pages

[Berend de Boer]

> \setuplayout		[width=fit,
> 			 location=middle,marking=on] 

I'm not sure what you mean, but does

\setuplayout[location={doublesided,left}]

not produce what you want?

Groetjes,

Berend. (-:

Re: the name of space between adjascent pages

[Ed L. Cashin]

Berend de Boer <berend@pobox.com> writes:

> > \setuplayout		[width=fit,
> > 			 location=middle,marking=on] 
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean, but does
> 
> \setuplayout[location={doublesided,left}]
> 
> not produce what you want?

Thank you for the suggestion, but that merely moves both of the A6
pages to the left on the letter page.

I would like to keep the A6 pages the way they are now but move them
farther apart on the letter page, relative to one another.  

Ah-HA!!  It is the backspace after all!  I don't know why I thought my
earlier experiments indicated otherwise.  I'll be able to use
backspace along with definepapersize to move the text around nicely.

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Re: the name of space between adjascent pages

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:45 AM 12/9/99 -0500, Ed L. Cashin wrote:

>to manipulate the space between the pages without changing the
>parameters for each individual page (margins).

I got some more requests for that. I will look into it soon (next week I'm
off location). Remind me. 

>{\em Wool\/} is the word.\index{wool} Nothing eliminates fear of 

Hm. I thought that \em handles the \/ already automatically. 

>quite like warmth.  Warmth --- nice, cozy, comfortable warmth --- 

                            |<|nice...warmth|>|                          

Hans

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Re: the name of space between adjascent pages

[Hans Hagen]

>I'd like to go from ...

Did you try to set  backspace=.. in \setuplayout? 

Just play a little with backspace, width in \setuplayout as well as
alternative=doublesided or singlesided or {doublesided,singlesided} in
\setuppagenumbering (not pagenumber but ..ing). 

Hans

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Re: the name of space between adjascent pages

[Ed L. Cashin]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> At 09:45 AM 12/9/99 -0500, Ed L. Cashin wrote:
> 
> >to manipulate the space between the pages without changing the
> >parameters for each individual page (margins).
>
> I got some more requests for that. I will look into it soon (next
> week I'm off location). Remind me.

But isn't that what backspace does?  Or do you mean the ability to
position the pages arbitrarily?

> >{\em Wool\/} is the word.\index{wool} Nothing eliminates fear of 
> 
> Hm. I thought that \em handles the \/ already automatically. 

I cut and pasted the warmth text from a LaTeX document!  Sorry.

> >quite like warmth.  Warmth --- nice, cozy, comfortable warmth --- 
>                                
>                             |<|nice...warmth|>|                          

Is there an advantage to "|<| nice...warmth |>|" over
"--- nice...warmth ---", since there are spaces around the dashes?

I thought that the "|<|...|>|" was so that line breaking could occur
between the dash and the text inside the dashes, but the test below
indicates that the same thing happens with "---".  Do they have some
other purpose than facilitating line breaking?

\setuplayout		[width=.6\textwidth]
\setupwhitespace	[medium]
\setuptolerance		[tolerant]
\setupbodyfont		[10pt]

\starttext

\type{foo |<|bar|>| baz}

Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre
|<|in|>| post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre ---
in|>| post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre |<|in
--- post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.  Pre |<|in|>|
post.  Pre |<|in|>| post.   

\type{foo ---bar--- baz}

Pre ---in--- post.  Pre ---in--- post.  Pre ---in--- post.  Pre
---in--- post.  Pre ---in--- post.  Pre ---in--- post.  Pre ---
in--- post.  Pre ---in--- post.  Pre ---in--- post.  Pre ---in
--- post.  Pre ---in--- post.  Pre ---in--- post.  Pre ---in---
post.  Pre ---in--- post.   

\type{foo |<| bar |>| baz}

Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre
|<| in |>| post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre ---
in |>| post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre |<| in
--- post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.  Pre |<| in |>|
post.  Pre |<| in |>| post.   

\type{foo --- bar --- baz}

Pre --- in --- post.  Pre --- in --- post.  Pre --- in --- post.  Pre
--- in --- post.  Pre --- in --- post.  Pre --- in --- post.  Pre ---
in --- post.  Pre --- in --- post.  Pre --- in --- post.  Pre --- in
--- post.  Pre --- in --- post.  Pre --- in --- post.  Pre --- in ---
post.  Pre --- in --- post.   

\stoptext

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Re: the name of space between adjascent pages

[Ed L. Cashin]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> >I'd like to go from ...
> 
> Did you try to set  backspace=.. in \setuplayout? 

When I was experimenting with backspace I must have been doing
something wrong, because I thought it didn't work, but of course it
does work.

> Just play a little with backspace, width in \setuplayout as well as
> alternative=doublesided or singlesided or {doublesided,singlesided}
> in \setuppagenumbering (not pagenumber but ..ing).

The page numbering is working fine.  Out of curiousity, what is the
function of \setuplayout[alternative=doublesided] or
alternative=singlesided?  I am doing some tests but don't see a
visible difference.

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--Ed Cashin                     PGP public key:
  ecashin@coe.uga.edu           http://www.coe.uga.edu/~ecashin/pgp/

texexec and tetex probs

[Wolfgang Huber]

Hi!

I just wanted to try to texexec --make 
but I get the following errors 
fmtutil: no info for format `cont-en'

I set the paths in texexex.ini explicitly, such as:
set ConTeXtPath     to /usr/local/teTeX/texmf/tex/context/base

but I still get nothing.
As I'm not really an perl-expert, I'm not able to repair it myself.
BTW, I'm using the latest teTeX-beta.
Are there any variables to be set explicitly in the shell before invoking
the script?
still some clueless...
Meanwhile I'm dumping the format file like in the good ol' days :-)

bye for now,

Wolfgang

Re: texexec and tetex probs

[Tobias Burnus]

Hallo Wolfgang, hi all,

> I just wanted to try to texexec --make
> but I get the following errors
> fmtutil: no info for format `cont-en'
What is in the file $TEXMF/web2c/fmtutil.cnf ?
Maybe you have '#' the before cont-*
(try fmtutil --edit)

> Meanwhile I'm dumping the format file like in the good ol' days :-)
How? fmtutil --all ?
I usually do fmtutil --edit  or use texconf to enable the cont-* formats,
When I updated context, I use fmtutil --all or fmtutil --byfmt cont-en

Regards, Gruß,

Tobias

Re: the name of space between adjascent pages

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:39 AM 12/10/99 -0500, Ed L. Cashin wrote:

>Is there an advantage to "|<| nice...warmth |>|" over
>"--- nice...warmth ---", since there are spaces around the dashes?
>
>I thought that the "|<|...|>|" was so that line breaking could occur
>between the dash and the text inside the dashes, but the test below
>indicates that the same thing happens with "---".  Do they have some
>other purpose than facilitating line breaking?

Sure, they handle language specific subsentences. Each languags has its own
way of doing things (--- guilemots etc). Also, when used nested, other
rules apply (also think of |<| |<| test |>| me |>| like situations.) The
same with \quote{} and \quotation{} which also adapt themselves to the
language and spacing.  

There's a reason for everything, sorry -) 

Hans

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Re: the name of space between adjascent pages

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:40 AM 12/10/99 -0500, Ed L. Cashin wrote:

>The page numbering is working fine.  Out of curiousity, what is the
>function of \setuplayout[alternative=doublesided] or
>alternative=singlesided?  I am doing some tests but don't see a
>visible difference.

It can make a difference when you use specific measures. It can sometimes
save you cutting edges. 

Hans

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