\definestartstop

\definestartstop

[Hraban]

Hello TeXperts!

I use the "verse" environment in my LaTeX document that I try to
translate to ConTeXt. The lines are separated by \\

Since I converted all \start{environment} to \startenvironment, I defined
\definestartstop[verse][???]

What command should I write into the second braces to get an indent and
to let ConTeXt accept the \\ ?
Generally: How can I use an other \startxxx ... \stopxxx in an
\definestartstop ?

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Re: \definestartstop

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:20 PM 5/16/2000 +0200, Hraban wrote:
>Hello TeXperts!
>
>I use the "verse" environment in my LaTeX document that I try to
>translate to ConTeXt. The lines are separated by \\

How exactly should the verse look like? Maybe there is something better. 

Hans

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Re: \definestartstop

[Hraban]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> >I use the "verse" environment in my LaTeX document that I try to
> >translate to ConTeXt. The lines are separated by \\
> 
> How exactly should the verse look like? Maybe there is something better.

The text should be indented right and left (Indent like at the beginning
of a paragraph), that's all for now. I'd like to define it as an own
environment, for I don't know, if the editors want to get all verses changed.

The point is that I don't want to search for all \\ in verses in several
large documents. I could delete *all* \\ with sed and use \startlines,
but there are more \\, e.g. in tables that I didn't converted yet.

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Re: \definestartstop

[Hans Hagen]

At 03:42 PM 5/18/2000 +0200, Hraban wrote:

>The text should be indented right and left (Indent like at the beginning
>of a paragraph), that's all for now. I'd like to define it as an own
>environment, for I don't know, if the editors want to get all verses changed.
>
>The point is that I don't want to search for all \\ in verses in several
>large documents. I could delete *all* \\ with sed and use \startlines,
>but there are more \\, e.g. in tables that I didn't converted yet.

Eh, what do you mean: 

xxxxxx
  yyyyyy
xxxxxx
  yyyyyy

is explained in the manual (startlines...stoplines with odd even indent) 

You can assign \\ a value like in: 

\definestartstop
  [verses]
  [before=\blank\startpacked,
   after=\stoppacked\blank,
   commands={\let\\=\crlf}]

How exactly is a verse coded now? 

Hans

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Re: \definestartstop

[Hraban]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Eh, what do you mean:
> 
> xxxxxx
>   yyyyyy
> xxxxxx
>   yyyyyy
> 
> is explained in the manual (startlines...stoplines with odd even indent)

I meant something like:

---
This is the first line of the first paragraph of a chapter. It isn't indented.
   This is normal text. The first line is indented. We will interrupt it with
a sample from a flemish folk song (you can't see the right indenting;
and it is not really necessary):

   Allen die willen naar Island gaan
   om kabeljauw te vangen
   en te vissen met verlangen.

   Naar Iseland, naar Iseland,
   naar Island toe;
   tot 33 reizen zij zijn nog niet moe.

And this is normal text again.
---

> \definestartstop
>   [verses]
>   [before=\blank\startpacked,
>    after=\stoppacked\blank,
>    commands={\let\\=\crlf}]

It doesn't work -- TeX claims some errors...

> How exactly is a verse coded now?

\startverse % was: \begin{verse}
Allen die willen naar Island gaan \\
om kabeljauw te vangen \\
en te vissen met verlangen.

Naar Iseland, naar Iseland, \\
naar Island toe; \\
tot 33 reizen zij zijn nog niet moe.
\stopverse % was: \end{verse}

(verse is a standard environment of LaTeX)

But I removed all \\ now.

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Re: \definestartstop

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:41 PM 5/26/2000 +0200, Hraban wrote:

>I meant something like:
>
>---
>This is the first line of the first paragraph of a chapter. It isn't
indented.
>   This is normal text. The first line is indented. We will interrupt it with
>a sample from a flemish folk song (you can't see the right indenting;
>and it is not really necessary):
>
>   Allen die willen naar Island gaan
>   om kabeljauw te vangen
>   en te vissen met verlangen.
>
>   Naar Iseland, naar Iseland,
>   naar Island toe;
>   tot 33 reizen zij zijn nog niet moe.
>
>And this is normal text again.

\setupindenting
  [medium]

\definestartstop
  [Poetry]
  [before={\setuplines[indenting=yes]\startlines},
   after=\stoplines]

Misschien bedoel je: 

\startPoetry
welnu zei de tex-er tevree
dat valt me uiteindelijk nog mee
met wat start en wat stop en wat macro gedoe
kom ik eindelijk weer eens aan wat echt dichtwerk toe
\stopPoetry

dus. 

Hans

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Re: \definestartstop

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:14 AM 2/22/2000 +0100, Gilbert van den Dobbelsteen wrote:

>This doesn't work in conTeXt due to the nature of TeX *and* due to the
>implementation of \stopitemize. \stopitemize is a special macro, which does
>special thing.

In this case the {} as taco suggested will work ok. 

>The way to implement custom itemisation is too change the behaviour of
>startitemize usding \setupitemize.

On my todo list is something: 

\defineitemize [instance] 
\setupitemize  [instance] [level] [vals] [vars]

(the less settings in the source, the better)

Hans

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Re: \definestartstop

[Taco Hoekwater]

>>>>> "Michal" == Michal Kvasnicka <qasar@econ.muni.cz> writes:

    Michal> Hallo!  Why this stuff doesn't work (and to improve it)?

    Michal> \definestartstop[vycet][before=\startitemize,after=\stopitemize]

this should work

    Michal> \definestartstop[vycet][before=\startitemize[n],after=\stopitemize]

this not.

But this should also work:

\definestartstop[vycet][before={\startitemize[n]},after=\stopitemize]

greetings, taco

Re: \definestartstop

[Gilbert van den Dobbelsteen]

> Hallo!
>
> Why this stuff doesn't work (and to improve it)?
>
> \definestartstop[vycet][before=\startitemize,after=\stopitemize]
>
> or rather
>
> \definestartstop[vycet][before=\startitemize[n],after=\stopitemize]

This doesn't work in conTeXt due to the nature of TeX *and* due to the
implementation of \stopitemize. \stopitemize is a special macro, which does
special thing.

The way to implement custom itemisation is too change the behaviour of
startitemize usding \setupitemize.

Gilbert.

Re: \definestartstop

[Gilbert van den Dobbelsteen]

> Hallo!
>
> Why this stuff doesn't work (and to improve it)?
>
> \definestartstop[vycet][before=\startitemize,after=\stopitemize]
>
> or rather
>
> \definestartstop[vycet][before=\startitemize[n],after=\stopitemize]

This doesn't work in conTeXt due to the nature of TeX *and* due to the
implementation of \stopitemize. \stopitemize is a special macro, which does
special thing.

The way to implement custom itemisation is too change the behaviour of
startitemize usding \setupitemize.

Gilbert.

\definestartstop

[Michal Kvasnicka]

Hallo!

Why this stuff doesn't work (and to improve it)?

\definestartstop[vycet][before=\startitemize,after=\stopitemize]

or rather

\definestartstop[vycet][before=\startitemize[n],after=\stopitemize]

Many thanks

M.K.