Problems itemizing

Problems itemizing

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Hello, I have some problems in setting up itemizations properly,
especially when using the italian interface.

First, I had a few problems understanding that key=value pairs
had to go on a different [...] block. Ok, I overlooked it in
the setup instructions.

Then, indentnext=yes seems to do nothing.

Now, for the italian interface:

\impostaelenco (<-> \setupitemize) doesn't do anything
(the same keys, passed directly to \iniziaelenco [\startitemize]
achieve the wanted effects); \setupitemize used in the same
situation but with the english interface works; and \setopsommingin
works too, in all interfaces. Why?

And by the way, in debugging the develping interfaces (and not
just that) I belive that warning messages for unused options
could be helpfull (check for typos on the user sides or
errors in the code).

Giuseppe Bilotta

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Re: Problems itemizing

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

I wrote:

> Then, indentnext=yes seems to do nothing.

Hm. Ok, here's more info. I use

\setupindenting[medium,next]

which means that after whitespace there should be no indenting.

I then use

\setupitemize[indentnext=yes]

and I though this would override the choice in \setupindenting,
but it doesn't. Is there a workaround?

In the meantime I found something else: in the snippet

We'll begin a par here, then:
\startitemize
\item we put;
\item some items;
\stopitemize
and then we end the previous par.

The last line is seen by context as being of another par, or
anyway it's indented when indentnext=yes and indenting=first;
while it's actually part of the previous paragraph. I believe
the correct behaviour should be *not* to indent the next
line if it's a continuation of the previous paragraph (that is,
if the user doesn't insert a blank line). Isn't it?

Overall, itemizing behaviour should change depending on it
being mid-paragraph or at end of paragraph; and there should be
a setting to change final whitespace/indentation depending on 
the situation.

(e.g., in my case, when midparagraph, there should be
little whitespace, while when at end of paragraph there
should be more whitespace)

Giuseppe Bilotta

Re: Problems itemizing

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:14 PM 2/11/01 +0100, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

>In the meantime I found something else: in the snippet
>
>We'll begin a par here, then:
>\startitemize
>\item we put;
>\item some items;
>\stopitemize
>and then we end the previous par.

Context is set up in such a way that the output is independent of such
'ascii makeup issues'. The way to deal with this is: 

\input tufte

\startitemize
\item bla bla
\item bla bla
\stopitemize

\input tufte [with your indent settings this par will not indent] 

\startitemize[packed,joinedup]
\item bla bla
\stopitemize

\input tufte [but this one will]

Hans
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Re: Problems itemizing

[Hans Hagen]

At 05:18 PM 2/9/01 +0100, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
>Hello, I have some problems in setting up itemizations properly,
>especially when using the italian interface.
>
>First, I had a few problems understanding that key=value pairs
>had to go on a different [...] block. Ok, I overlooked it in
>the setup instructions.
>
>Then, indentnext=yes seems to do nothing.

that only works when you have indenting turned on. 

>Now, for the italian interface:
>
>\impostaelenco (<-> \setupitemize) doesn't do anything
>(the same keys, passed directly to \iniziaelenco [\startitemize]
>achieve the wanted effects); \setupitemize used in the same
>situation but with the english interface works; and \setopsommingin
>works too, in all interfaces. Why?

hm, i have funny translations here, \impostaitemize and so, especially
commands should not give a problem; you can always check 'm with
\show\impostaelenco and see what is reported. 

>And by the way, in debugging the develping interfaces (and not
>just that) I belive that warning messages for unused options
>could be helpfull (check for typos on the user sides or
>errors in the code).

This has been discussed before, and will be implemented some day when
machines are real fast; i kicked out that code long ago due to mem and
performance problems. 

Hans 
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