* LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
@ 2021-12-16 11:08 Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-12-16 11:34 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-12-16 11:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier
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Hi
Footnotes originating from an RTL paragraph will be also typeset in RTL mode as the following example illustrates:
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\setupdelimitedtext[blockquote]
[leftmargin=1.5em,rightmargin=0em,]
\definedelimitedtext[rtlblockquote]
\setupdelimitedtext[rtlblockquote]
[leftmargin=0em,rightmargin=1.5em,before={\righttoleft}]
\starttext
\input knuth
\startblockquote
\input knuth\footnote{this starts on the left.}
\stopblockquote
\startrtlblockquote
\input knuth\footnote{this should start on the left, but it doesn't.}
\stoprtlblockquote
\input knuth
\stoptext
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
According to the wiki, that's the expected behaviour (https://wiki.contextgarden.net/RTL#Footnotes).
However, I'd prefer to keep the footnotes as LTR footnotes. Can I convince ConTeXt to typeset these footnotes in LTR mode?
Best,
Denis
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
2021-12-16 11:08 LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-12-16 11:34 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-12-16 17:06 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-12-16 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier
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Ok, this works:
\setupnote[footnote][align=l2r]
Does that have any drawbacks?
Is it possible to change the text direction for single notes ?
Denis
Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Denis Maier via ntg-context
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2021 12:09
An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>
Betreff: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
Hi
Footnotes originating from an RTL paragraph will be also typeset in RTL mode as the following example illustrates:
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\setupdelimitedtext[blockquote]
[leftmargin=1.5em,rightmargin=0em,]
\definedelimitedtext[rtlblockquote]
\setupdelimitedtext[rtlblockquote]
[leftmargin=0em,rightmargin=1.5em,before={\righttoleft}]
\starttext
\input knuth
\startblockquote
\input knuth\footnote{this starts on the left.}
\stopblockquote
\startrtlblockquote
\input knuth\footnote{this should start on the left, but it doesn't.}
\stoprtlblockquote
\input knuth
\stoptext
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
According to the wiki, that's the expected behaviour (https://wiki.contextgarden.net/RTL#Footnotes).
However, I'd prefer to keep the footnotes as LTR footnotes. Can I convince ConTeXt to typeset these footnotes in LTR mode?
Best,
Denis
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
2021-12-16 11:34 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-12-16 17:06 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2021-12-17 9:02 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context @ 2021-12-16 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Denis Maier via ntg-context; +Cc: Pablo Rodriguez
On 12/16/21 12:34 PM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> Ok, this works:
>
> \setupnote[footnote][align=l2r]
>
> Does that have any drawbacks?
Hi Denis,
I don’t think it may have (other than forgetting other options, such as
hz or hanging).
> Is it possible to change the text direction for single notes?
It doesn’t seem an option for \startfootnote. How about defining a new
command?
\definedelimitedtext[rtlblockquote][before={\righttoleft}]
\definenote[otnote][footnote]
\setupnote[otnote][align=l2r]
\starttext
\input zapf
\startblockquote
\input zapf\footnote{this starts on the left.}
\stopblockquote
\startrtlblockquote
\input zapf\footnote{this should start on the left.}
\input zapf\otnote{this should start on the left.}
\stoprtlblockquote
\input zapf
\stoptext
Just in case it might help,
Pablo
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
2021-12-16 17:06 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
@ 2021-12-17 9:02 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-12-17 11:23 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-12-17 9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier, oinos
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Pablo
> Rodriguez via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2021 18:07
> An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Cc: Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
>
> On 12/16/21 12:34 PM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> > Ok, this works:
> >
> > \setupnote[footnote][align=l2r]
> >
> > Does that have any drawbacks?
>
> Hi Denis,
>
> I don’t think it may have (other than forgetting other options, such as hz or
> hanging).
Ah, I alway forget that. By the way, is there a way to append to setting instead of overriding it?
>
> > Is it possible to change the text direction for single notes?
>
> It doesn’t seem an option for \startfootnote.
Yep, unlike other \startstops \startfootnote does not inherit key-values settings from the corresponding \setupX (I mean, it does of course inherit the settings, but you can't set them directly on \startfootnote.) Why is that? Is it due to the fact that note setups take place in two places? (\setupnote vs \setupnotation)?
> How about defining a new command?
Thanks for pointing me in that direction. That looks good.
>
> \definedelimitedtext[rtlblockquote][before={\righttoleft}]
> \definenote[otnote][footnote]
> \setupnote[otnote][align=l2r]
> \starttext
> \input zapf
> \startblockquote
> \input zapf\footnote{this starts on the left.}
> \stopblockquote
> \startrtlblockquote
> \input zapf\footnote{this should start on the left.}
> \input zapf\otnote{this should start on the left.}
> \stoprtlblockquote
> \input zapf
> \stoptext
>
> Just in case it might help,
>
> Pablo
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
2021-12-17 9:02 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-12-17 11:23 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2021-12-21 9:02 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-01-12 20:57 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2021-12-17 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen, oinos
On 12/17/2021 10:02 AM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Pablo
>> Rodriguez via ntg-context
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2021 18:07
>> An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>> Cc: Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>
>> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
>>
>> On 12/16/21 12:34 PM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>> Ok, this works:
>>>
>>> \setupnote[footnote][align=l2r]
>>>
>>> Does that have any drawbacks?
>>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> I don’t think it may have (other than forgetting other options, such as hz or
>> hanging).
>
> Ah, I alway forget that. By the way, is there a way to append to setting instead of overriding it?
sure, but I don't think it needs to be avocated (valid but not intuitive)
i'll add this (only a few line addition with no performance hit):
\definealign[MyAlign][r2l,flushleft]
so that you can do
\setupalign[MyAlign]
and you can also use it as value to the align parameter as well ... the
usual 'context abstraction'
so again something to wikify ...
Hans
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
2021-12-17 11:23 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
@ 2021-12-21 9:02 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2021-12-24 12:13 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2022-01-12 20:57 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-12-21 9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: j.hagen, ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier, oinos
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Dezember 2021 12:24
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>; oinos@gmx.es
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
>
> On 12/17/2021 10:02 AM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Pablo
> >> Rodriguez via ntg-context
> >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2021 18:07
> >> An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> >> Cc: Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>
> >> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
> >>
> >> On 12/16/21 12:34 PM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> >>> Ok, this works:
> >>>
> >>> \setupnote[footnote][align=l2r]
> >>>
> >>> Does that have any drawbacks?
> >>
> >> Hi Denis,
> >>
> >> I don’t think it may have (other than forgetting other options, such
> >> as hz or hanging).
> >
> > Ah, I alway forget that. By the way, is there a way to append to setting
> instead of overriding it?
>
> sure, but I don't think it needs to be avocated (valid but not intuitive)
>
> i'll add this (only a few line addition with no performance hit):
>
> \definealign[MyAlign][r2l,flushleft]
>
> so that you can do
>
> \setupalign[MyAlign]
>
> and you can also use it as value to the align parameter as well ... the usual
> 'context abstraction'
Nice! So, IIUC, you should also be able to do something like this then:
\definealign[AlignStandard][verytolerant,stretch]
\definealign[AlignR2L][AlignStandard][r2l]
Is that correct?
Re wikifying: I've tried to create the \definealign page, but unlike other command pages this page would look empty with no automatically generated content. So I guess the command is not yet in the command index, right?
Denis
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
2021-12-21 9:02 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-12-24 12:13 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
2021-12-24 12:22 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2021-12-24 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: denis.maier, ntg-context; +Cc: Hans Hagen, oinos
On 12/21/2021 10:02 AM, denis.maier@unibe.ch wrote:
> Nice! So, IIUC, you should also be able to do something like this then:
>
> \definealign[AlignStandard][verytolerant,stretch]
> \definealign[AlignR2L][AlignStandard][r2l]
>
> Is that correct?
No, because these definitions are interpreted at definition time there
is no inheritance (unless I explcitly add that); Is it really needed?
Hans
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
2021-12-24 12:13 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
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@ 2022-01-12 20:57 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2022-01-12 20:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: j.hagen, ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier, oinos
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Dezember 2021 12:24
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>; oinos@gmx.es
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
>
> On 12/17/2021 10:02 AM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Pablo
> >> Rodriguez via ntg-context
> >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2021 18:07
> >> An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> >> Cc: Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>
> >> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
> >>
> >> On 12/16/21 12:34 PM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> >>> Ok, this works:
> >>>
> >>> \setupnote[footnote][align=l2r]
> >>>
> >>> Does that have any drawbacks?
> >>
> >> Hi Denis,
> >>
> >> I don’t think it may have (other than forgetting other options, such
> >> as hz or hanging).
> >
> > Ah, I alway forget that. By the way, is there a way to append to setting
> instead of overriding it?
>
> sure, but I don't think it needs to be avocated (valid but not intuitive)
>
> i'll add this (only a few line addition with no performance hit):
>
> \definealign[MyAlign][r2l,flushleft]
>
> so that you can do
>
> \setupalign[MyAlign]
>
> and you can also use it as value to the align parameter as well ... the usual
> 'context abstraction'
>
> so again something to wikify ...
Wanted to wikify, but is this already implemented?
Denis
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* Re: LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
2022-01-12 20:57 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2022-01-12 23:25 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2022-01-12 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: denis.maier, ntg-context; +Cc: Hans Hagen, oinos
On 1/12/2022 9:57 PM, denis.maier@unibe.ch wrote:
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Dezember 2021 12:24
>> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>> Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>; oinos@gmx.es
>> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
>>
>> On 12/17/2021 10:02 AM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Pablo
>>>> Rodriguez via ntg-context
>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2021 18:07
>>>> An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>>>> Cc: Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>
>>>> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] LTR footnotes from RTL paragraph
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/21 12:34 PM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>>>> Ok, this works:
>>>>>
>>>>> \setupnote[footnote][align=l2r]
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that have any drawbacks?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Denis,
>>>>
>>>> I don’t think it may have (other than forgetting other options, such
>>>> as hz or hanging).
>>>
>>> Ah, I alway forget that. By the way, is there a way to append to setting
>> instead of overriding it?
>>
>> sure, but I don't think it needs to be avocated (valid but not intuitive)
>>
>> i'll add this (only a few line addition with no performance hit):
>>
>> \definealign[MyAlign][r2l,flushleft]
>>
>> so that you can do
>>
>> \setupalign[MyAlign]
>>
>> and you can also use it as value to the align parameter as well ... the usual
>> 'context abstraction'
>>
>> so again something to wikify ...
>
> Wanted to wikify, but is this already implemented?
sure
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