* simplefonts: math in headers
@ 2011-12-09 12:53 Philipp A.
2011-12-15 13:36 ` Philipp A.
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From: Philipp A. @ 2011-12-09 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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hi, i have the following setup:
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Cambria]
\setsansfont[Ubuntu]
\setmonofont[Envy Code R][regularfont=envycoder]
\setmathfont[Cambria]
\setuphead[section][style={\ss\bfb}]
\starttext
\section{Wat? $y=x^2$}
\stoptext
why is the math in the header typeset in computer modern instead of ubuntu
and how do i fix it?
PS: preferrably it should be bold, too. there is a wiki page, “Bold Math in
Section Titles <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_Math_in_Section_Titles>”
but it doesn’t explain how to do it with simplefonts.
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2011-12-09 12:53 simplefonts: math in headers Philipp A.
@ 2011-12-15 13:36 ` Philipp A.
2011-12-15 20:15 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Philipp A. @ 2011-12-15 13:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2011/12/9 Philipp A. <flying-sheep@web.de>
> hi, i have the following setup:
>
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
> \setmainfont[Cambria]
> \setsansfont[Ubuntu]
> \setmonofont[Envy Code R][regularfont=envycoder]
> \setmathfont[Cambria]
>
> \setuphead[section][style={\ss\bfb}]
>
> \starttext
> \section{Wat? $y=x^2$}
> \stoptext
>
> why is the math in the header typeset in computer modern instead of ubuntu
> and how do i fix it?
>
> PS: preferrably it should be bold, too. there is a wiki page, “Bold Math
> in Section Titles<http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bold_Math_in_Section_Titles>”
> but it doesn’t explain how to do it with simplefonts.
>
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2011-12-15 13:36 ` Philipp A.
@ 2011-12-15 20:15 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-12-15 23:13 ` Philipp A.
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-12-15 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 15.12.2011 um 14:36 schrieb Philipp A.:
> Bump:
>
> 2011/12/9 Philipp A. <flying-sheep@web.de>
> hi, i have the following setup:
>
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
> \setmainfont[Cambria]
> \setsansfont[Ubuntu]
> \setmonofont[Envy Code R][regularfont=envycoder]
> \setmathfont[Cambria]
>
> \setuphead[section][style={\ss\bfb}]
>
> \starttext
> \section{Wat? $y=x^2$}
> \stoptext
>
> why is the math in the header typeset in computer modern instead of ubuntu and how do i fix it?
>
> PS: preferrably it should be bold, too. there is a wiki page, “Bold Math in Section Titles” but it doesn’t explain how to do it with simplefonts.
There is no way for me to fix this because it’s a context bug. You can see the effect with the following example, when you load LM before Pagella the heading use LM Math but when you load Pagella before LM Palatino math is used for the heading.
\setupbodyfont[modern]
\setupbodyfont[pagella]
\setuphead[section][style={\ss\bfb}]
\starttext
\section{Wat? $y=x^2$} $y=x^2$
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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2011-12-15 20:15 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2011-12-15 23:13 ` Philipp A.
2011-12-16 5:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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2011/12/15 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> There is no way for me to fix this because it’s a context bug. You can
> see the effect with the following example, when you load LM before Pagella
> the heading use LM Math but when you load Pagella before LM Palatino math
> is used for the heading.
>
> \setupbodyfont[modern]
> \setupbodyfont[pagella]
>
> \setuphead[section][style={\ss\bfb}]
>
> \starttext
> \section{Wat? $y=x^2$} $y=x^2$
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
>
umm, so this happens because this bug exists and simplefonts sets the fonts
on module load?
is there a way to fix it or is an official fix on the way?
thanks for the info,
philipp
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2011-12-15 23:13 ` Philipp A.
@ 2011-12-16 5:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-12-16 9:41 ` Hans Hagen
2011-12-16 10:12 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-12-16 5:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 16.12.2011 um 00:13 schrieb Philipp A.:
> 2011/12/15 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> There is no way for me to fix this because it’s a context bug. You can see the effect with the following example, when you load LM before Pagella the heading use LM Math but when you load Pagella before LM Palatino math is used for the heading.
>
> \setupbodyfont[modern]
> \setupbodyfont[pagella]
>
> \setuphead[section][style={\ss\bfb}]
>
> \starttext
> \section{Wat? $y=x^2$} $y=x^2$
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> umm, so this happens because this bug exists and simplefonts sets the fonts on module load?
Yes.
> is there a way to fix it or is an official fix on the way?
Wait for Hans to fix it and use in the meantime
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][Cambria]
\definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][Ubuntu] [style=sans]
\definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][cambria][style=math]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
\setuphead[section][style={\ss\bfb}]
\starttext
\section{Wat? $y=x^2$} $y=x^2$
\stoptext
or
\definetypeface[mainface][rm][specserif][Cambria]
\definetypeface[mainface][ss][specsans] [Ubuntu]
\definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [cambria]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
\setuphead[section][style={\ss\bfb}]
\starttext
\section{Wat? $y=x^2$} $y=x^2$
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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2011-12-16 5:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2011-12-16 9:41 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-12-16 9:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 16-12-2011 06:25, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Wait for Hans to fix it and use in the meantime
Bold math os somewhat special as we have two variants:
1: a full bold bold math alternartive (only a few math fonts)
2: pseudoboldmath (where we take bold variants in a regular math font)
If you say:
\setfalse\completeboldmathstrategy
at the top of your file then only method (2) is used which is probabkly
ok for the purpose. This method is actually provides in order to have a
reasonable bolding in titles even if the font does not provide it. Of
course bidirectional math adds another axis.
(It reminds me that I need to wrap this up in an article.)
The reason why the double loading fails is that the underlying machinery
sees a difference between regular (pagella) and bold (still modern) and
therefore decides that (1) can be applied. I'll try to make this
heuristic more clever. Another solution (for WS eyes only: add
\definefontsynonym[MathRomanBold][MathRoman] to the palatino mah
definition).
Hans
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2011-12-16 5:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-12-16 9:41 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-12-16 10:12 ` Hans Hagen
2011-12-16 10:41 ` Philipp A.
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-12-16 10:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 16-12-2011 06:25, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Wait for Hans to fix it and use in the meantime
ok. fixed. I also added some tracing so that one can see how bold is
treated (although that bit of code itself was ok):
\enabletrackers[math.families]
i'll upload a beta later today
Hans
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2011-12-16 10:12 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-12-16 10:41 ` Philipp A.
2011-12-16 10:58 ` Hans Hagen
2011-12-16 13:16 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Philipp A. @ 2011-12-16 10:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
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thanks for the effort. i can’t say i understand anything about fonts if i
judge from what the results of above suggestions look like:
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][Cambria]
\definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][Ubuntu] [style=sans]
\definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][cambria][style=math]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
Well: header math is in unbold cambria, body text in courier or something
like this, and the math font features are not used (tiny parentheses around
matrices, fraction denominators and numerators are shrunk instead of using
small glyphs)
\setfalse\completeboldmathstrategy
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Cambria]
\setmathfont[Cambria]
\setsansfont[Ubuntu]
too slim parentheses, but this is to be expected :D
\definetypeface[mainface][rm][specserif][Cambria]
\definetypeface[mainface][ss][specsans] [Ubuntu]
\definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [cambria]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
exactly the same as above. slim parentheses in header math, rest working.
cambria in the last line only works when lowercase, but is case-insensitive
in the rm and ss lines. does this solution disable the
completeboldmathstrategy automatically?
thanks for the fixes,
philipp
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2011-12-16 10:41 ` Philipp A.
@ 2011-12-16 10:58 ` Hans Hagen
2011-12-16 13:18 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-12-16 13:16 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-12-16 10:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 16-12-2011 11:41, Philipp A. wrote:
> thanks for the effort. i can’t say i understand anything about fonts if i
> judge from what the results of above suggestions look like:
>
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
>
> \definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][Cambria]
> \definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][Ubuntu] [style=sans]
> \definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][cambria][style=math]
>
> \setupbodyfont[mainface]
>
> Well: header math is in unbold cambria, body text in courier or something
> like this, and the math font features are not used (tiny parentheses around
> matrices, fraction denominators and numerators are shrunk instead of using
> small glyphs)
>
> \setfalse\completeboldmathstrategy
>
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
> \setmainfont[Cambria]
> \setmathfont[Cambria]
> \setsansfont[Ubuntu]
>
> too slim parentheses, but this is to be expected :D
>
> \definetypeface[mainface][rm][specserif][Cambria]
> \definetypeface[mainface][ss][specsans] [Ubuntu]
> \definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [cambria]
>
> \setupbodyfont[mainface]
>
> exactly the same as above. slim parentheses in header math, rest working.
> cambria in the last line only works when lowercase, but is case-insensitive
> in the rm and ss lines. does this solution disable the
> completeboldmathstrategy automatically?
I dunno ... Wolfgang knows the logic behind simplefonts best
Hans
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2011-12-16 10:58 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-12-16 13:18 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-12-16 15:35 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-12-16 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 16.12.2011 um 11:58 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 16-12-2011 11:41, Philipp A. wrote:
>> \definetypeface[mainface][rm][specserif][Cambria]
>> \definetypeface[mainface][ss][specsans] [Ubuntu]
>> \definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [cambria]
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[mainface]
>>
>> exactly the same as above. slim parentheses in header math, rest working.
>> cambria in the last line only works when lowercase, but is case-insensitive
>> in the rm and ss lines. does this solution disable the
>> completeboldmathstrategy automatically?
>
> I dunno ... Wolfgang knows the logic behind simplefonts best
This method is a core function and unrelated to simplefonts.
Wolfgang
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2011-12-16 13:18 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2011-12-16 15:35 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-12-16 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 16-12-2011 14:18, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 16.12.2011 um 11:58 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>
>> On 16-12-2011 11:41, Philipp A. wrote:
>>> \definetypeface[mainface][rm][specserif][Cambria]
>>> \definetypeface[mainface][ss][specsans] [Ubuntu]
>>> \definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [cambria]
>>>
>>> \setupbodyfont[mainface]
>>>
>>> exactly the same as above. slim parentheses in header math, rest working.
>>> cambria in the last line only works when lowercase, but is case-insensitive
>>> in the rm and ss lines. does this solution disable the
>>> completeboldmathstrategy automatically?
>>
>> I dunno ... Wolfgang knows the logic behind simplefonts best
>
> This method is a core function and unrelated to simplefonts.
It is somewhat .. say that you redefine a typeface in simplefonts and
use a fontclass name that has already been used, in that case some
caching starts interfering. I now reset a couple of things before a new
typeface is defined.
Hans
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2011-12-16 10:41 ` Philipp A.
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-12-16 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 16.12.2011 um 11:41 schrieb Philipp A.:
> thanks for the effort. i can’t say i understand anything about fonts if i judge from what the results of above suggestions look like:
>
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
>
> \definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][Cambria]
> \definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][Ubuntu] [style=sans]
> \definesimplefonttypeface[mainface][cambria][style=math]
>
> \setupbodyfont[mainface]
>
> Well: header math is in unbold cambria, body text in courier or something like this, and the math font features are not used (tiny parentheses around matrices, fraction denominators and numerators are shrunk instead of using small glyphs)
>
> \setfalse\completeboldmathstrategy
>
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
> \setmainfont[Cambria]
> \setmathfont[Cambria]
> \setsansfont[Ubuntu]
I’ll upload a new version of the module.
> too slim parentheses, but this is to be expected :D
>
> \definetypeface[mainface][rm][specserif][Cambria]
> \definetypeface[mainface][ss][specsans] [Ubuntu]
> \definetypeface[mainface][mm][math] [cambria]
>
> \setupbodyfont[mainface]
>
> exactly the same as above. slim parentheses in header math, rest working. cambria in the last line only works when lowercase, but is case-insensitive in the rm and ss lines. does this solution disable the completeboldmathstrategy automatically?
Typescripts and typefaces are case sensitive and \definetypeface[…][…][math][cambria] is not the same as \definetypeface[…][…][math][Cambria].
Wolfgang
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