* force index entries without page number
@ 2020-09-03 8:17 Henning Hraban Ramm
2020-09-03 8:56 ` mf
2020-09-04 9:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-03 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
I’d like to have an (person) index entry like
Ramm, Hraban passim
i.e. without actual page number.
How can I force that?
I also need to be able to refer to it like
\seeindex{Hraban}{Ramm, Hraban)
Hraban
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2020-09-03 8:17 force index entries without page number Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2020-09-03 8:56 ` mf
2020-09-03 9:09 ` mf
2020-09-04 9:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: mf @ 2020-09-03 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Il 03/09/20 10:17, Henning Hraban Ramm ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> I’d like to have an (person) index entry like
>
> Ramm, Hraban passim
>
> i.e. without actual page number.
> How can I force that?
>
> I also need to be able to refer to it like
> \seeindex{Hraban}{Ramm, Hraban)
>
>
\starttext
\samplefile{ward}\index{Ward, Peter}
\samplefile{sapolsky}\index{Sapolsky, Robert}
\seeindex{Ramm, Hraban}{}
\seeindex{Hraban}{Ramm, Hraban}
\page
\placeindex[check=yes]
\page
\placeindex[check=no]
\stoptext
Massi
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2020-09-03 9:14 ` mf
2020-09-03 9:38 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: mf @ 2020-09-03 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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This should be exactly what you asked for:
\defineprocessor[passim][right=\quad{\it passim}]
\starttext
\samplefile{ward}\index{Ward, Peter}
\samplefile{sapolsky}\index{Sapolsky, Robert}
\seeindex{passim->Ramm, Hraban}{}
\seeindex{Hraban}{Ramm, Hraban}
\page
\placeindex[check=yes]
\page
\placeindex[check=no]
\stoptext
Massi
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2020-09-03 9:09 ` mf
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2020-09-03 9:38 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: mf @ 2020-09-03 9:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Useful references I consulted to find a solution:
https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg88118.html
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Registers#Processors
Massi
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* Re: force index entries without page number
2020-09-03 9:09 ` mf
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@ 2020-09-03 9:38 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2020-09-03 11:32 ` mf
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-03 9:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Massi, thank you!
> Am 03.09.2020 um 11:09 schrieb mf <massifr@fastwebnet.it>:
>
> This should be exactly what you asked for:
>
> \defineprocessor[passim][right=\quad{\it passim}]
I didn’t think to use processors.
> \seeindex{passim->Ramm, Hraban}{}
No, this results in
"Ramm, Hraban passim see passim"
And
\index{passim->Ramm, Hraban}
results in
"Ramm, Hraban passim 1"
I.e. I’m still looking for an index entry without "see" or page number.
> \placeindex[check=no]
This is essential for references to not (exactly) existing entries, I forgot the option existed.
Hraban
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2020-09-03 9:38 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2020-09-03 11:32 ` mf
2020-09-04 9:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: mf @ 2020-09-03 11:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Il 03/09/20 11:38, Henning Hraban Ramm ha scritto:
> Hi Massi, thank you!
>
>> Am 03.09.2020 um 11:09 schrieb mf <massifr@fastwebnet.it>:
>>
>> This should be exactly what you asked for:
>>
>> \defineprocessor[passim][right=\quad{\it passim}]
>
> I didn’t think to use processors.
You need them to get the "passim"; if you include it in the name, then
you should adapt also the \seeindex like this:
\seeindex{Ramm, Hraban\quad{\it passim}}{}
\seeindex{Hraban}{Ramm, Hraban\quad{\it passim}}
(i did not test it, i don't know if it works, and anyway i don't like it
because it's not clean)
>
>> \seeindex{passim->Ramm, Hraban}{}
>
> No, this results in
> "Ramm, Hraban passim see passim"
>
Only with check=yes, otherwise it works right.
> And
> \index{passim->Ramm, Hraban}
> results in
> "Ramm, Hraban passim 1"
>
No, see attachment page 2.
> I.e. I’m still looking for an index entry without "see" or page number.
>
>
>> \placeindex[check=no]
>
> This is essential for references to not (exactly) existing entries, I forgot the option existed.
>
Use check=yes
Massi
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2020-09-03 11:32 ` mf
@ 2020-09-04 9:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-04 9:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Am 03.09.2020 um 13:32 schrieb mf <massifr@fastwebnet.it>:
>
> Use check=yes
But I need check=no, because my author has several entries like
Miller, Carolyne, born Princess of Sayn-Wittgenstein 123–125
Sayn-Wittgenstein, Carolyne of see Miller, Carolyne
i.e. the reference target often has a different wording from the entry,
and thus \seeindex{Something}{} always inserts a "see".
I don’t know how common these "passim" entries are in scientific works; maybe I could use
Mainperson firstpage–lastpage
instead to avoid the major hassle of tricking the index mechanisms.
Hraban
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From: mf @ 2020-09-04 9:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Il 04/09/20 11:01, Henning Hraban Ramm ha scritto:
>
>
>> Am 03.09.2020 um 13:32 schrieb mf <massifr@fastwebnet.it>:
>>
>> Use check=yes
>
> But I need check=no, because my author has several entries like
>
>
> Miller, Carolyne, born Princess of Sayn-Wittgenstein 123–125
>
> Sayn-Wittgenstein, Carolyne of see Miller, Carolyne
>
>
> i.e. the reference target often has a different wording from the entry,
> and thus \seeindex{Something}{} always inserts a "see".
Now I understand.
Since I'm working with XML, I'm using registers in an even stricter way:
the text I'm indexing is actually the ID of a person in a database.
Something like this:
<person-ref idref="v18in231">Carolyne</person-ref>
in the main text results in a \index[miller_carolyne]{v18in231}
In another place of the XML there's a record like this:
<person id="v18in231" sort-key="miller_carolyne">Miller, Carolyne ...
</person>
The deeptextcommand parameter of \setupregister is set to a macro that
takes the ID and gives back the text of the person.
Maybe in the database there's also another record like this:
<see-person id="v18in242" idref="v18in231"
sort-key="sayn_wittgenstein_carolyne">Sayn-Wittgenstein, Carolyne
<see>Miller, Carolyne</see><see-person>
that results in a
\seeindex[sayn_wittgenstein_carolyne]{Sayn-Wittgenstein,
Carolyne}{Miller, Carolyne}
>
> I don’t know how common these "passim" entries are in scientific works; maybe I could use
>
> Mainperson firstpage–lastpage
>
> instead to avoid the major hassle of tricking the index mechanisms.
>
in that case \startindex...\stopindex or \startregister...\stopregister
could be your friends.
Massi
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* Re: force index entries without page number
2020-09-03 8:17 force index entries without page number Henning Hraban Ramm
2020-09-03 8:56 ` mf
@ 2020-09-04 9:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2020-11-07 10:11 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2020-09-04 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 03.09.2020 um 10:17:
> Hi,
>
> I’d like to have an (person) index entry like
>
> Ramm, Hraban passim
>
> i.e. without actual page number.
> How can I force that?
>
> I also need to be able to refer to it like
> \seeindex{Hraban}{Ramm, Hraban)
You can use this when the entry appears only once which replaces the
page number with "passim".
\define[1]\Passim
{passim}
\defineprocessor [passim] [command=\Passim]
\starttext
xxx\index{First}
yyy\index[passim->]{Second}
zzz\seeindex{Third}{Second}
\placeindex
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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@ 2020-11-07 10:11 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-11-07 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Am 04.09.2020 um 11:59 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com>:
>
> Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 03.09.2020 um 10:17:
>> Hi,
>> I’d like to have an (person) index entry like
>> Ramm, Hraban passim
>> i.e. without actual page number.
>> How can I force that?
>> I also need to be able to refer to it like
>> \seeindex{Hraban}{Ramm, Hraban)
>
>
> You can use this when the entry appears only once which replaces the page number with "passim".
>
> \define[1]\Passim
> {passim}
>
> \defineprocessor [passim] [command=\Passim]
>
> \starttext
>
> xxx\index{First}
>
> yyy\index[passim->]{Second}
>
> zzz\seeindex{Third}{Second}
>
> \placeindex
>
> \stoptext
Hi Wolfgang,
forgot to answer: This solution works for me, thank you!
Hraban
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