From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/9810 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giuseppe Bilotta Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re[2]: About itemize Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:46:35 +0100 Sender: ntg-context-admin@ref.ntg.nl Message-ID: <3227349646.20021112004635@iol.it> References: <200211111314.39547.ishamid@attbi.com> <200211111314.39547.ishamid@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.1.20021112002309.031bcd80@remote-1> Reply-To: ntg-context@ref.ntg.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037058413 17318 80.91.224.249 (11 Nov 2002 23:46:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ntg-context@ntg.nl Return-path: Original-Received: from ref.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.13] helo=ref.ntg.nl) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BOGa-0004VC-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:46:52 +0100 Original-Received: from ref.ntg.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725B110B10; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:48:30 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from smtp2.libero.it (smtp2.libero.it [193.70.192.52]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9103910B02 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:47:19 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from [151.29.141.38] (151.29.141.38) by smtp2.libero.it (6.5.028) id 3DCC00310017FB36; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:47:16 +0100 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Business X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Original-To: ntg-context@ref.ntg.nl In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20021112002309.031bcd80@remote-1> Errors-To: ntg-context-admin@ref.ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ref.ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk X-Reply-To: Giuseppe Bilotta List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:9810 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:9810 HH> first of all, we're not dealing with a bug, it's a feature; so, if some HH> other behavior is wanted, it should be an option of extension to existing HH> mechanisms, nog a replacement. HH> there is one thing we should keep in mind: naive users are not always aware HH> of tex's empty line == par, so this is why \start/\stop things are HH> consistent in absense or presense of them; HH> distinguishing between display and semi-display is therefore not that HH> trivial, and the best option is separate environments, like HH> \startquotation ... \stopquotation HH> (or \startdquotation ... \stopdquotation for display quotation) versus HH> \startpquotation ... \stoppquotation HH> for an in-paragraph one (like we have with formulas, see core-mat.tex) HH> that way, one knows what to expect, since it's clear from the coding, and HH> not from a (forgotten, or accidental) empty line HH> another option is to have a dedidated environment HH> \startinparagraph ... \stopinparagraph HH> or \startcontinue ... \stopcontinue HH> which nills the surrounding whitespace and inhibits the next indent. (this HH> should be not that hard to implement) This latter alternative sounds awfully 'redundant' (too much code for a simple thing); the first sounds somewhat better, but the best solution IMO is to have an option/conditional \obeypars or something like that. When true, empty lines after startstops denote paragraph and lack of empty lines denote "remaining in the same paragraph"; when false, current ConTeXt behaviour is kept. Maybe we may want to have a per-startstop option (obeypars=true,obeypars=false) together/in place of the global \obeypars/\noobeypars (or \obeyparstrue/\obeyparsfalse). Let's say that the best thing (again IMO) is to have a global option, overridable in each startstop: the obeypars key in startstops would then accept the values true (force true), false (force false), default (behave according to the global setting). Does this sound sensible? -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta