From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/43387 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alan Stone" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Reorganization of the main page Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:33:29 +0200 Message-ID: <326847810808270333p384a5773ge98a91baafc1a9fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <326847810808270122h7d2b41d9y94d7e83d116cd427@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0193274151==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219833310 16217 80.91.229.12 (27 Aug 2008 10:35:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:35:10 +0000 (UTC) To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Aug 27 12:36:03 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYINf-0005lh-6M for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:36:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1811FC7B; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05118-01-9; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:34:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87661FBF1; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:34:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFC61FBD4 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:34:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03805-02-8 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:33:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3C31FB6D for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:33:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 21so421542eyc.38 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.28.6 with SMTP id b6mr10001526ebb.60.1219833209250; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.16.2 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:33:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:43387 Archived-At: --===============0193274151== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14631_1639283.1219833209242" ------=_Part_14631_1639283.1219833209242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Patrick Gundlach wrote: > Hi, > >> Missing the wiki-only search feature though. > > OK, you're number two. I'll think about it. Here's why Patrick: a wiki being a source of documentation, that's where I look for next when not finding something in the paper manuals and texshow. If I don't find it there, digging deeper through the mailing archive is useful. Having everything mixed up through one google search blurb is oftentimes confusing due to the lack of structure. >> Also, when a newbie reads "texshow-web" (s)he doesn't have a clue what >> that means. > > Jano Kula suggested to rename it to "reference" or sth. like that. > I'll do so. Reference of what ? > Could you suggest some other names? I always have a hard time thinking > of some. > >> - live context -> Try out ConTeXt online >> - download -> Download the ConTeXt application >> - download area -> Download examples, 3rd party modules, articles, MyWay reports, ... Some other ideas... - A clearly visible (colored ?) banner or link on top of the main page saying something like "If you're new to ConTeXt, click here to get started fast..." which redirects to the main page "Getting Started section" might be useful. - http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals The Minimals are an attempt to provide the same functionality as the current Pragma's minimal ConTeXt distributions in the zip files. Etc... This is quite confusing for a newbie: "If I install the ConTeXt Minimals, what will I be missing what's in the Pragma's minimal distribution ?" Better might be to say something like: "In order to provide you the easiest and most current ConTeXt installation and updates, the ConTeXt Minimals are the recommended installation", or whatever else is currently most relevant. Best, Alan ------=_Part_14631_1639283.1219833209242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Missing the wiki-only search feature though.
>
> OK, you're number two. I'll think about it.

Here's why Patrick: a wiki being a source of documentation, that's where I look for next
when not finding something in the paper manuals and texshow. If I don't find it there,
digging deeper through the mailing archive is useful. Having everything mixed up through
one google search blurb is oftentimes confusing due to the lack of structure.

>> Also, when a newbie reads "texshow-web" (s)he doesn't have a clue what
>> that means.
>
> Jano Kula suggested to rename it to "reference" or sth. like that.
> I'll do so.

Reference of what ?

> Could you suggest some other names? I always have a hard time thinking
> of some.
>
>> - live context  -> Try out ConTeXt online
>> - download     -> Download the ConTeXt application
>> - download area   ->  Download examples, 3rd party modules, articles, MyWay reports, ...

Some other ideas...

- A clearly visible (colored ?) banner or link on top of the main page saying something like "If you're new to ConTeXt, click here to get started fast..." which redirects to the main page "Getting Started section" might be useful.

- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals
The Minimals are an attempt to provide the same functionality as the current Pragma's minimal ConTeXt distributions in the zip files. Etc...

This is quite confusing for a newbie: "If I install the ConTeXt Minimals, what will I be missing what's in the Pragma's minimal distribution ?"

Better might be to say something like: "In order to provide you the easiest and most current ConTeXt installation and updates, the ConTeXt Minimals are the recommended installation", or whatever else is currently most relevant.

Best,
Alan
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