Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Alan Stone wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Taking S6 = 600pt wide x 450pt heigh for example...
>
> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
>
> \showframe
> \showsetups
>
> \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
>  headerheight=15pt,
>  footerheight=15pt,
>  bottomheight=15pt,
>  leftedgewidth=0pt,
>  leftmarginwidth=0pt,
>  rightmarginwidth=0pt,
>  rightedgewidth=180pt]
>
> \starttext
> testing
> \stoptext
>
> How come the showframe and showsetups printouts
> don't correspond to the \setuplayout settings ?

Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight? 
Perhaps you wanted

\setuppapersize[S6][S6]

\showframe
\showsetups

\setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
   header=15pt,
   height=middle,
   footer=15pt,
   bottomspace=15pt,
   backspace=0pt,
   width=middle,
   cutspace=180pt]

\starttext
testing
\stoptext

Aditya
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Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

Hi,

Taking S6 = 600pt wide x 450pt heigh for example...

\setuppapersize[S6][S6]

\showframe
\showsetups

\setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
  headerheight=15pt,
  footerheight=15pt,
  bottomheight=15pt,
  leftedgewidth=0pt,
  leftmarginwidth=0pt,
  rightmarginwidth=0pt,
  rightedgewidth=180pt]
	
\starttext
testing
\stoptext

How come the showframe and showsetups printouts
don't correspond to the \setuplayout settings ?

Thanks,
Alan
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Peter Rolf]

Alan Stone schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Taking S6 = 600pt wide x 450pt heigh for example...
> 
> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
> 
> \showframe
> \showsetups
> 
> \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
>   headerheight=15pt,
>   footerheight=15pt,
>   bottomheight=15pt,
>   leftedgewidth=0pt,
>   leftmarginwidth=0pt,
>   rightmarginwidth=0pt,
>   rightedgewidth=180pt]
> 	
> \starttext
> testing
> \stoptext
> 
> How come the showframe and showsetups printouts
> don't correspond to the \setuplayout settings ?
>
I assume that you use an Adobe product for printing.
In the print dialog there is a menulist named 'Page Scaling'. Be sure
that 'None' is selected there.

Best wishes, Peter

> Thanks,
> Alan
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

Hi Peter,

I meant the showframe and showsetups displays on the pdf document itself,
not the document paper printout.

Best,
Alan
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Peter Rolf]

Alan Stone schrieb:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I meant the showframe and showsetups displays on the pdf document itself,
> not the document paper printout.
> 
oeps, sorry :)

you simply use some wrong parameter here (names of internal dimensions).
e.g. use 'footer=15pt' instead of 'footerheight=15pt'.

best wishes, peter

> Best,
> Alan
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

>> Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight?

1. http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080812.135630.04ad74e5.en.html

2. From observation: see \showsetups output (right column)

This part of ConTeXt and/or the instructional resources somehow got so
polluted with
incorrect parameters and/or information, a *serious* cleanup would be
most welcome so
people don't waste their time figuring out which of the basic stuff
really works.

Does somebody have a comprehensive overview of the active \setuplayout
parameters and
their meaning, i.e. where the incorrect parameters and information
have been filtered out ?
That would be most helpful.

Thanks on beforehand.

Best,
Alan


On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Alan Stone wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Taking S6 = 600pt wide x 450pt heigh for example...
>>
>> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
>>
>> \showframe
>> \showsetups
>>
>> \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
>>  headerheight=15pt,
>>  footerheight=15pt,
>>  bottomheight=15pt,
>>  leftedgewidth=0pt,
>>  leftmarginwidth=0pt,
>>  rightmarginwidth=0pt,
>>  rightedgewidth=180pt]
>>
>> \starttext
>> testing
>> \stoptext
>>
>> How come the showframe and showsetups printouts
>> don't correspond to the \setuplayout settings ?
>
> Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight?
> Perhaps you wanted
>
> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
>
> \showframe
> \showsetups
>
> \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
>   header=15pt,
>   height=middle,
>   footer=15pt,
>   bottomspace=15pt,
>   backspace=0pt,
>   width=middle,
>   cutspace=180pt]
>
> \starttext
> testing
> \stoptext
>
> Aditya
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:

> Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight?
> Perhaps you wanted
>
> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
>
> \showframe
> \showsetups
>
> \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
>   header=15pt,
>   height=middle,
>   footer=15pt,
>   bottomspace=15pt,
>   backspace=0pt,
>   width=middle,
>   cutspace=180pt]
>
> \starttext
> testing
> \stoptext
>
> Aditya
>

Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.

What's missing to make this work ?

Best,
Alan

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight?
>> Perhaps you wanted
>>
>> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
>>
>> \showframe
>> \showsetups

move the previous line

>>
>> \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
>>   header=15pt,
>>   height=middle,
>>   footer=15pt,
>>   bottomspace=15pt,
>>   backspace=0pt,
>>   width=middle,
>>   cutspace=180pt]
>>
>> \starttext

to here

>> testing
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Aditya
>>
> 
> Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
> output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.
> 
> What's missing to make this work ?
> 
> Best,
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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Going back to my example (see below)...

Same observations, same questions.

Alan

\setuppapersize[S6][S6]

\setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
    headerheight=15pt,
    footerheight=15pt,
    bottomheight=15pt,
    leftedgewidth=0pt,
    leftmarginwidth=0pt,
    rightmarginwidth=0pt,
    rightedgewidth=180pt]

\showframe
\showsetups

\starttext
testing
\stoptext


On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> Alan Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and
> bottomheight?
> >> Perhaps you wanted
> >>
> >> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
> >>
> >> \showframe
> >> \showsetups
>
> move the previous line
>
> >>
> >> \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
> >>   header=15pt,
> >>   height=middle,
> >>   footer=15pt,
> >>   bottomspace=15pt,
> >>   backspace=0pt,
> >>   width=middle,
> >>   cutspace=180pt]
> >>
> >> \starttext
>
> to here
>
> >> testing
> >> \stoptext
> >>
> >> Aditya
> >>
> >
> > Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
> > output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.
> >
> > What's missing to make this work ?
> >
> > Best,
> > Alan
>

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Stone wrote:
> Going back to my example (see below)...
> 
> Same observations, same questions.
> 
> Alan
> 
> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
> 
> \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
>     headerheight=15pt,
>     footerheight=15pt,
>     bottomheight=15pt,

top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended

>     leftedgewidth=0pt,
>     leftmarginwidth=0pt,
>     rightmarginwidth=0pt,
>     rightedgewidth=180pt]
> 
> \showframe
> \showsetups
> 
> \starttext
> testing
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
>> Alan Stone wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>
>> wrote:
>>>> Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and
>> bottomheight?
>>>> Perhaps you wanted
>>>>
>>>> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
>>>>
>>>> \showframe
>>>> \showsetups
>> move the previous line
>>
>>>> \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
>>>>   header=15pt,
>>>>   height=middle,
>>>>   footer=15pt,
>>>>   bottomspace=15pt,
>>>>   backspace=0pt,
>>>>   width=middle,
>>>>   cutspace=180pt]
>>>>
>>>> \starttext
>> to here
>>
>>>> testing
>>>> \stoptext
>>>>
>>>> Aditya
>>>>
>>> Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
>>> output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.
>>>
>>> What's missing to make this work ?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Alan
> 
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Taco Hoekwater]

Alan Stone wrote:
> Going back to my example (see below)...
> 
> Same observations, same questions.

The names and values reported by showsetups are not 1-to-1 to
the arguments of \setuplayout. If you want to know what you
can use in \setuplayout, use any of the manuals, or texshow:

   http://texshow.contextgarden.net/command/detail/221

That said, it is a little confusing that the table from
\showsetups doesn't match up ...

Taco
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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>That said, it is a little confusing that the table from
>\showsetups doesn't match up ...

A little ???

Alan

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:

> Alan Stone wrote:
> > Going back to my example (see below)...
> >
> > Same observations, same questions.
>
> The names and values reported by showsetups are not 1-to-1 to
> the arguments of \setuplayout. If you want to know what you
> can use in \setuplayout, use any of the manuals, or texshow:
>
>   http://texshow.contextgarden.net/command/detail/221
>
> That said, it is a little confusing that the table from
> \showsetups doesn't match up ...
>
> Taco
>

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> Alan Stone wrote:
> > Going back to my example (see below)...
> >
> > Same observations, same questions.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
> >
> > \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
> >     headerheight=15pt,
> >     footerheight=15pt,
> >     bottomheight=15pt,
>
> top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended


Thanks Hans.

- \showsetups output contains a lot of junk, a thorough cleaning would be
utmost welcome

- \showframe doesn't draw topspace and bottomspace

- which \setuplayout parameters enable a space/blank area between
the left/right page border and the left/right of leftedge/rightedge ?

Alan


> >     leftedgewidth=0pt,
> >     leftmarginwidth=0pt,
> >     rightmarginwidth=0pt,
> >     rightedgewidth=180pt]
> >
> > \showframe
> > \showsetups
> >
> > \starttext
> > testing
> > \stoptext
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Stone wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and
> >> bottomheight?
> >>>> Perhaps you wanted
> >>>>
> >>>> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
> >>>>
> >>>> \showframe
> >>>> \showsetups
> >> move the previous line
> >>
> >>>> \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
> >>>>   header=15pt,
> >>>>   height=middle,
> >>>>   footer=15pt,
> >>>>   bottomspace=15pt,
> >>>>   backspace=0pt,
> >>>>   width=middle,
> >>>>   cutspace=180pt]
> >>>>
> >>>> \starttext
> >> to here
> >>
> >>>> testing
> >>>> \stoptext
> >>>>
> >>>> Aditya
> >>>>
> >>> Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
> >>> output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.
> >>>
> >>> What's missing to make this work ?
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Alan
>

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
>> Alan Stone wrote:
>>> Going back to my example (see below)...
>>>
>>> Same observations, same questions.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
>>>
>>> \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
>>>     headerheight=15pt,
>>>     footerheight=15pt,
>>>     bottomheight=15pt,
>> top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended
> 
> 
> Thanks Hans.
> 
> - \showsetups output contains a lot of junk, a thorough cleaning would be
> utmost welcome

well, one can roll out his/her own -)

> - \showframe doesn't draw topspace and bottomspace
> 
> - which \setuplayout parameters enable a space/blank area between
> the left/right page border and the left/right of leftedge/rightedge ?

leftedgedistance (which defaults to edgedistance)

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> Alan Stone wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Stone wrote:
> >>> Going back to my example (see below)...
> >>>
> >>> Same observations, same questions.
> >>>
> >>> Alan
> >>>
> >>> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
> >>>
> >>> \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
> >>>     headerheight=15pt,
> >>>     footerheight=15pt,
> >>>     bottomheight=15pt,
> >> top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended
> >
> >
> > Thanks Hans.
> >
> > - \showsetups output contains a lot of junk, a thorough cleaning would be
> > utmost welcome
>
> well, one can roll out his/her own -)


I guess as long as one knows to what each parameter corresponds.  ;O)

Nevertheless, please say more about that.


> > - which \setuplayout parameters enable a space/blank area between
> > the left/right page border and the left/right of leftedge/rightedge ?
>
> > - \showframe doesn't draw topspace and bottomspace
>
> leftedgedistance (which defaults to edgedistance)


left/rightedgedistance is documented elsewhere as being between
left/rightedge and left/rightmargin.

CanItBeAnyMoreConfusingText ?

Alan

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
>> Alan Stone wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan Stone wrote:
>>>>> Going back to my example (see below)...
>>>>>
>>>>> Same observations, same questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
>>>>>
>>>>> \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
>>>>>     headerheight=15pt,
>>>>>     footerheight=15pt,
>>>>>     bottomheight=15pt,
>>>> top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended
>>>
>>> Thanks Hans.
>>>
>>> - \showsetups output contains a lot of junk, a thorough cleaning would be
>>> utmost welcome
>> well, one can roll out his/her own -)
> 
> 
> I guess as long as one knows to what each parameter corresponds.  ;O)
> 
> Nevertheless, please say more about that.
> 
> 
>>> - which \setuplayout parameters enable a space/blank area between
>>> the left/right page border and the left/right of leftedge/rightedge ?
>>> - \showframe doesn't draw topspace and bottomspace
>> leftedgedistance (which defaults to edgedistance)
> 
> 
> left/rightedgedistance is documented elsewhere as being between
> left/rightedge and left/rightmargin.

indeed, you have to see these dimensions outwards (so, margindistance, 
margin, edgedistance, edge ... these extend into the backspace or 
cutspace depending on left/right)

Hans



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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Taco Hoekwater]

Alan Stone wrote:
> 
> CanItBeAnyMoreConfusingText ?

 From left to right, you have:

   (left)edge
   (left)edgedistance
   (left)margin
   (left)margindistance
   width
   (right)margindistance
   (right)margin
   (right)edgedistance
   (right)edge

The location of all this on the paper is defined by backspace, which
gives the distance between the appropriate (left or right) edge of the
text width and the physical paper edge.

Similar logic applies in the vertical direction. \showlayout will
give the current values and keys (put it after \starttext, it generates 
four pages of typeset information).  I am somewhat confused myself as to
why this is generally considered to  be so confusing.

In vertical mode, it goes like this

    top
    topdistance
    header
    headerdistance
    textheight
    footerdistance
    footer
    bottomdistance
    bottom

"height" sets up the dimension that controls the inner five areas
(header ... footer). "topspace" is the distance between the vertical
top edge of the paper and the top of "header".

You can put \showlayout after \starttext. It will generate four pages
of settings (because of double-sided ness).

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

>
> indeed, you have to see these dimensions outwards (so, margindistance,
> margin, edgedistance, edge ... these extend into the backspace or
> cutspace depending on left/right)


Ahaa. I'm beginning to understand.

Meanwhile found the underneath document, which seems to be the most
corresponding
( though incomplete compared to pg 24 of the main manual )

Shows a page layout in half size
http://levana.de/context/layout/testlay.pdf

Thanks all,
Alan

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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Thanks Taco.

>I am somewhat confused myself as to why this is generally considered to  be
so confusing.

What's most confusing are the:

- wiki layout explanation at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout
- \showsetups output
- excursion manual, table 33.2 page 74
- main manual page 24
- \setuplayout texshow page

each one listing the same thing similarly or differently using either
arguments, parameters
and/or variables, the latter of which for the most have nothing to do with
the \setuplayout
arguments ( or are these parameters, or variables ? )

Best,
Alan

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:

> Alan Stone wrote:
> >
> > CanItBeAnyMoreConfusingText ?
>
>  From left to right, you have:
>
>   (left)edge
>   (left)edgedistance
>   (left)margin
>   (left)margindistance
>   width
>   (right)margindistance
>   (right)margin
>   (right)edgedistance
>   (right)edge
>
> The location of all this on the paper is defined by backspace, which
> gives the distance between the appropriate (left or right) edge of the
> text width and the physical paper edge.
>
> Similar logic applies in the vertical direction. \showlayout will
> give the current values and keys (put it after \starttext, it generates
> four pages of typeset information).  I am somewhat confused myself as to
> why this is generally considered to  be so confusing.
>
> In vertical mode, it goes like this
>
>    top
>    topdistance
>    header
>    headerdistance
>    textheight
>    footerdistance
>    footer
>    bottomdistance
>    bottom
>
> "height" sets up the dimension that controls the inner five areas
> (header ... footer). "topspace" is the distance between the vertical
> top edge of the paper and the top of "header".
>
> You can put \showlayout after \starttext. It will generate four pages
> of settings (because of double-sided ness).
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,


> Meanwhile found the underneath document, which seems to be the most
> corresponding
> ( though incomplete compared to pg 24 of the main manual )
>
> Shows a page layout in half size
> http://levana.de/context/layout/testlay.pdf

made with

http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-layout

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Taco Hoekwater]

Alan Stone wrote:
> Thanks Taco.
> 
>> I am somewhat confused myself as to why this is generally considered to  be
> so confusing.
> 
> What's most confusing are the:

Ok, that helped make me understand.

> - wiki layout explanation at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout

This is indeed confusing (and probably based on excursion)

> - \showsetups output

The \setuplayout parameters are in column one, the query-ing macros
are in column four. These are correct.

> - excursion manual, table 33.2 page 74

That table is simply wrong, and probably the cause of all of the
confusion (I never used excursion myself). I assume the goal of this
table is that column 1 matches \setuplayout's column 1 output; it
doesn't.

> - main manual page 24
> - \setuplayout texshow page

These two are correct (plus/minus a few small diffs due to later 
extensions).

Conclusion: both excursion and the wiki need updating.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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>
> > - \showsetups output
>
> The \setuplayout parameters are in column one, the query-ing macros
> are in column four. These are correct.


Good to finally know what corresponds to what. It might be useful to put
a label mentioning these at the top of both columns.

What do you mean by "query-ing macros" Taco ?

Best,
Alan

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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Taco Hoekwater]

Alan Stone wrote:
>>> - \showsetups output
>> The \setuplayout parameters are in column one, the query-ing macros
>> are in column four. These are correct.
> 
> 
> Good to finally know what corresponds to what. It might be useful to put
> a label mentioning these at the top of both columns.
> 
> What do you mean by "query-ing macros" Taco ?

You can do e.g.

   \externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]

where \textwidth resolves to the current value of 'textwidth', etc.

The commands allow you to query values, while \setuplayout sets values.

Best wishes,
Taco




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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

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Do you, or somebody else, know of any such other basic and precious
documents which should be included in the main manual, instead of (for
whatever reason) hidden in some subdomain or subdirectory ?

Best,
Alan
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> > Meanwhile found the underneath document, which seems to be the most
> > corresponding
> > ( though incomplete compared to pg 24 of the main manual )
> >
> > Shows a page layout in half size
> > http://levana.de/context/layout/testlay.pdf
>
> made with
>
> http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-layout
>
> Patrick
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Yue Wang]

There is a context reference project, you can help to document it~

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Alan Stone
<software.list.1es9s@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you, or somebody else, know of any such other basic and precious
> documents which should be included in the main manual, instead of (for
> whatever reason) hidden in some subdomain or subdirectory ?
>
> Best,
> Alan
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> > Meanwhile found the underneath document, which seems to be the most
>> > corresponding
>> > ( though incomplete compared to pg 24 of the main manual )
>> >
>> > Shows a page layout in half size
>> > http://levana.de/context/layout/testlay.pdf
>>
>> made with
>>
>> http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-layout
>>
>> Patrick
>> --
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> There is a context reference project, you can help to document it~

  I concur.  This would be immensely more useful than contributing huge
threads and smart-arse remarks to this mailing-list (I especially like
the irony of your -- Alan's -- complaints about "wasting [your] precious
time").

	Arthur
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Re: Still confused about \setuplayout

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Hi Arthur,

"I would sooner have you hate me for telling the truth than adore me for
telling lies."
- Pietro Aretino

As for the invitation to the reference project, thanks a lot. I have some
work to finish
first, then will have some free time to gladly contribute.

Wishing you a nice day  ( no irony ;O)

Best,
Alan


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arthur.reutenauer@normalesup.org> wrote:

> > There is a context reference project, you can help to document it~
>
>  I concur.  This would be immensely more useful than contributing huge
> threads and smart-arse remarks to this mailing-list (I especially like
> the irony of your -- Alan's -- complaints about "wasting [your] precious
> time").
>
>        Arthur

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