* Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto @ 2020-10-12 11:34 Alain Delmotte 2020-10-12 14:38 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Alain Delmotte @ 2020-10-12 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: liste ConTeXt [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/html, Size: 1966 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto 2020-10-12 11:34 Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto Alain Delmotte @ 2020-10-12 14:38 ` Mojca Miklavec [not found] ` <898e5df9-90bf-8f65-f002-2a1dc623fab4@leliseron.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2020-10-12 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Dear Alain, On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 13:44, Alain Delmotte wrote: > > I'd like to have hyphenation for Esperanto; it doesn't exist in ConTeXt but exist in TeX/LaTeX. > > Would it be difficult to create the Esperanto file for ConTeXt? The plain text version is already in the correct form: https://github.com/hyphenation/tex-hyphen/blob/master/hyph-utf8/tex/generic/hyph-utf8/patterns/txt/hyph-eo.pat.txt so it should be just a matter of Hans including the patterns in the distribution. Usually he asks for translations of basic strings (like "Chapter" etc.) when adding support for a new language ;) Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto [not found] ` <CALBOmsbcqA4DJoj93F+4yK304q_wt8fhVXu3H9tSV_t13R_eEw@mail.gmail.com> @ 2020-10-14 15:36 ` Alain Delmotte 2020-10-14 16:40 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Alain Delmotte @ 2020-10-14 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: liste ConTeXt [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/html, Size: 3710 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto 2020-10-14 15:36 ` Alain Delmotte @ 2020-10-14 16:40 ` Hans Hagen 2020-12-22 20:02 ` Alain Delmotte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2020-10-14 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Alain Delmotte On 10/14/2020 5:36 PM, Alain Delmotte wrote: > Dear Mojca, > > I did just repond to the message without remarking that I was only > answering to you; I'll take care inthe future. > > I'll check if the two list are the same, after expanding the condensed > one. And after I'll go to Hans. As Mojca pointed out, we need to setup a language: % Artificial Languages: Esperanto \installlanguage [\s!esperanto] [%\c!spacing=\v!packed, %\c!leftsentence=\emdash, %\c!rightsentence=\emdash, %\c!leftsubsentence=\emdash, %\c!rightsubsentence=\emdash, %\c!leftquote=\lowerleftdoubleninequote, %\c!rightquote=\upperrightdoublesixquote, %\c!leftquotation=\lowerleftdoubleninequote, %\c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoublesixquote, %\c!date={\v!year,~m.,\space,\v!month,\space,\v!day,~d.}, \s!patterns=eo, \s!lefthyphenmin=2, \s!righthyphenmin=2] apart from labels as in lang-txt.lua because otherwise it's not that useful to have it I guess. Hans > Alain > > Le 14/10/2020 à 13:16, Mojca Miklavec a écrit : >> Dear Alain, >> >> Yes, I'm aware of the differences, but ConTeXt is not ready to read >> patterns in the cryptic format. >> (If the two sets of patterns are not equivalent, there's something >> that needs fixing.) >> >> Please be proactive on the list (chatting offline with me won't help >> that much) and just try to convince Hans to add those patterns, or ask >> him what you need to do in order to end up with patterns supported in >> ConTeXt out of the box. >> >> Mojca >> >> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 21:50, Alain Delmotte >> <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org> wrote: >>> Hi Mojca, >>> >>> The pattern in TeXlive as I described (from hyph-eo.tex) makes the list a littlebit more compact: instead of >>> >>> 1a2do, 1a2doj, 1a2dojn, 1a2don one write \nom{1a2d}, otherwise it looks the same (I didn't check the details). >>> >>> So I'll wait for the demand of Hans!! >>> >>> Alain >>> >>> Le 12/10/2020 à 16:38, Mojca Miklavec a écrit : >>> >>> Dear Alain, >>> >>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 13:44, Alain Delmotte wrote: >>> >>> I'd like to have hyphenation for Esperanto; it doesn't exist in ConTeXt but exist in TeX/LaTeX. >>> >>> Would it be difficult to create the Esperanto file for ConTeXt? >>> >>> The plain text version is already in the correct form: >>> https://github.com/hyphenation/tex-hyphen/blob/master/hyph-utf8/tex/generic/hyph-utf8/patterns/txt/hyph-eo.pat.txt >>> so it should be just a matter of Hans including the patterns in the >>> distribution. >>> >>> Usually he asks for translations of basic strings (like "Chapter" >>> etc.) when adding support for a new language ;) >>> >>> Mojca >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >>> >>> maillist :ntg-context@ntg.nl /http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>> webpage :http://www.pragma-ade.nl /http://context.aanhet.net >>> archive :https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>> wiki :http://contextgarden.net >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto 2020-10-14 16:40 ` Hans Hagen @ 2020-12-22 20:02 ` Alain Delmotte 2020-12-23 18:39 ` Mojca Miklavec [not found] ` <20210221224827.GA10242@akela.mendelu.cz> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Alain Delmotte @ 2020-12-22 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hans Hagen, liste ConTeXt [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/html, Size: 8107 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: hyphen-eo.zip --] [-- Type: application/x-zip-compressed, Size: 6528 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto 2020-12-22 20:02 ` Alain Delmotte @ 2020-12-23 18:39 ` Mojca Miklavec [not found] ` <20210221224827.GA10242@akela.mendelu.cz> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2020-12-23 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Dear Alain, On Tue, 22 Dec 2020 at 21:02, Alain Delmotte wrote: > > Hi Hans and Mojca, > > I join a file containing the list of patterns for Esperanto This one shouldn't be needed unless you believe that there is an issue with the existing patterns. > and the definition/translation of the general words for titles, glossaries,... > > Now regarding the labels, how could I provide the translations? Should I add a line with translation for each term (or the most important, I have seen that the French labels are not all translated)? Ideally take the latest version of lang-txt.lua, add a line for esperanto for each translation and send it to Hans. We ideally need them in a similar for as for other languages. Feel free to provide additions for French as well. (I guess in that case Hans will send the changes for proofreading to at least another member.) I'm not exactly up-to-date about what other settings might be needed in addition, but translations inside lang-txt.lua sound like a good starting point. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto [not found] ` <20210221224827.GA10242@akela.mendelu.cz> @ 2021-02-22 14:01 ` Alain Delmotte 2021-02-22 16:26 ` Tomas Hala 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Alain Delmotte @ 2021-02-22 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/html, Size: 2193 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto 2021-02-22 14:01 ` Alain Delmotte @ 2021-02-22 16:26 ` Tomas Hala 2021-03-01 15:21 ` Alain Delmotte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Tomas Hala @ 2021-02-22 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alain Delmotte; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Alain, in my email, I used official language codes: be=Belarussian, bg=Bulgarian, sr=Serbian. The \installlanguage command is very important because it contains definitions of the most frequently used typographic elements of the given language, for details see below. Looking forward for both lang-txt files. The sooner you will send it, the better. The best, Tomáš Mon, Feb 22, 2021 ve 03:01:41PM +0100 Alain Delmotte napsal(a): # Hi Tomáš, # # Thanks for your message. # # First which country is "be"? If Belgium, pay attention that there are # three languages: Dutch (Flemish) French (a little bit different from # France French) and German (1% of the population). # # Could you explain me the meaning of: # # Le 21/02/2021 à 23:48, Tomas Hala a écrit : # # And this one is also needed: # # # \installlanguage # # [\s!esperanto] # # [\c!spacing=\v!packed, # # %\c!leftsentence=\emdash, # # %\c!rightsentence=\emdash, # # %\c!leftsubsentence=\emdash, # # %\c!rightsubsentence=\emdash, # # %\c!leftquote=\lowerleftdoubleninequote, # # %\c!rightquote=\upperrightdoublesixquote, # # %\c!leftquotation=\lowerleftdoubleninequote, # # %\c!rightquotation=\upperrightdoublesixquote, # # %\c!date={\v!year,~m.,\space,\v!month,\space,\v!day,~d.}, # # \s!patterns=eo, # # \s!lefthyphenmin=2, # # \s!righthyphenmin=2] Values for \installlanguage: * spacing: packed means no difference between interword and intersentence spaces. * (left|right)sentence: punctuation marks -- very often dashes -- for included parts in some sentences. * (left|right)quotation: definition of primary quotation marks. * (left|right)quote: definition of secondary (nested) quotation marks. * (left|right)hyphenmin: number of characters at the end of a line and at the beginning of the next line when the word is hyphenated. * date: how the date should be typically typeset: order, spacing, or other signs or abbreviation or texts. Those I do not know for eo, have been marked with a percent sign. # I have seen that the \lowerleftdoubleninequote,... are sometimes given by # the character itself “ ”,... # For the date, is it the order of the part of the date yyy mm dd? # # I did prepare the file lang-txt.lua and did send it to two friends for # checking, I wait for their answer (I hope not to long). # # I also have the pattern for hyphenation, the one from TeXLive uses # fonctions to shorten the length of the file. # # For French, I'll do it and send it to you. # # Thanks for taking care of this. # # Regards, # # Alain ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Hyphenation pattern for Esperanto 2021-02-22 16:26 ` Tomas Hala @ 2021-03-01 15:21 ` Alain Delmotte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Alain Delmotte @ 2021-03-01 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tomas Hala, liste ConTeXt [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/html, Size: 3629 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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