Special layouts don't recognise placeinitial

Special layouts don't recognise placeinitial

[Eduardo Bohoyo]

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My question will be very simple: Is there a trick to make \placeinitial 
command work within makeup pages?

One of my pages inside the /frontmater/ is a quote page within an 
special layout. Before using LMTX, when I could use the Lettrine module, 
that quote started with a capital letter. But now that I use 
\placeinitial, the first letter no longer changes: it remains a simple 
initial capital letter.
On the other hand, when I use \placeinitial for each first paragraph in 
the chapters of my book, the result is as expected. That is, the command 
works fine as long as it stays within the general layout.
This is the code I'm referring to:

\startmakeup[standard][doublesided=yes]

\setuplayout[backspace=176pt,width=194pt]
\setupinterlinespace[line=22pt]
\style[tfa]

\startalignment[hanging,flushleft,nothyphenated]
\placeinitial Ahora, vosotros que amáis, dejadme que os formule una 
pregunta: ¿quién sufre más por  ello,  Arcite  o  Palamón? ¿El  que  ve  
a  su  dama  diariamente,  pero  está  encerrado para  siempre,  o  el  
que  es  libre  de  ir  donde  le  plazca, pero  no  verá  nunca  más  
a  su  dama?  Aquellos  de  vosotros que  podáis,  elegid  entre  las  
dos  situaciones  a  voluntad; yo,  por  mi  parte, continuaré como he 
empezado.
\stopalignment

\startalignment[hanging,flushright,nothyphenated]
\blank[0.8cm,force]{\tfa\sc  Geofrey Chaucer,\hspace[big]}
\blank[0.1cm,force]{\tfa\em The Canterbury Tales \hspace[big]}
\stopalignment

\stopmakeup


Eduardo Bohoyo


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Re: Special layouts don't recognise placeinitial

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/23/2021 2:41 AM, Eduardo Bohoyo wrote:
> My question will be very simple: Is there a trick to make \placeinitial 
> command work within makeup pages?
> 
> One of my pages inside the /frontmater/ is a quote page within an 
> special layout. Before using LMTX, when I could use the Lettrine module, 
> that quote started with a capital letter. But now that I use 
> \placeinitial, the first letter no longer changes: it remains a simple 
> initial capital letter.
> On the other hand, when I use \placeinitial for each first paragraph in 
> the chapters of my book, the result is as expected. That is, the command 
> works fine as long as it stays within the general layout.
> This is the code I'm referring to:
> 
> \startmakeup[standard][doublesided=yes]
> 
> \setuplayout[backspace=176pt,width=194pt]
> \setupinterlinespace[line=22pt]
> \style[tfa]
> 
> \startalignment[hanging,flushleft,nothyphenated]
> \placeinitial Ahora, vosotros que amáis, dejadme que os formule una 
> pregunta: ¿quién sufre más por  ello,  Arcite  o  Palamón? ¿El  que  ve  
> a  su  dama  diariamente,  pero  está  encerrado para  siempre,  o  el  
> que  es  libre  de  ir  donde  le  plazca, pero  no  verá  nunca  más  
> a  su  dama?  Aquellos  de  vosotros que  podáis,  elegid  entre  las  
> dos  situaciones  a  voluntad; yo,  por  mi  parte, continuaré como he 
> empezado.
> \stopalignment
> 
> \startalignment[hanging,flushright,nothyphenated]
> \blank[0.8cm,force]{\tfa\sc  Geofrey Chaucer,\hspace[big]}
> \blank[0.1cm,force]{\tfa\em The Canterbury Tales \hspace[big]}
> \stopalignment
> 
> \stopmakeup
You can add this to cont-new.mkxl (assuming lmtx)

\unprotect

\permanent\tolerant\protected\def\flushinitial
   {\typo_initial_handle}

\protect

and then

     \placeinitial  \flushinitial Ahora, ...

will work. More clever automated solutions are likely to interfere and 
have side effects for embedded cases so this is the best I can come up 
with now.

Hans



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Re: Special layouts don't recognise placeinitial

[Eduardo Bohoyo]

Thank you, Hans. This tweak works perfectly on a provisional basis.

However, from my relative ignorance of ConTeXt and LMTX, I have a 
question: Why is it better at the moment to include this code in 
cont-new.mkxl instead on the preamble of my document?

I insist, I do not question this detail. I speak from the lack of 
knowledge of a user who wants to learn a little more.

Eduardo Bohoyo

El 23/5/21 a las 13:07, Hans Hagen escribió:
> On 5/23/2021 2:41 AM, Eduardo Bohoyo wrote:
>> My question will be very simple: Is there a trick to make 
>> \placeinitial command work within makeup pages?
>>
>> One of my pages inside the /frontmater/ is a quote page within an 
>> special layout. Before using LMTX, when I could use the Lettrine 
>> module, that quote started with a capital letter. But now that I use 
>> \placeinitial, the first letter no longer changes: it remains a 
>> simple initial capital letter.
>> On the other hand, when I use \placeinitial for each first paragraph 
>> in the chapters of my book, the result is as expected. That is, the 
>> command works fine as long as it stays within the general layout.
>> This is the code I'm referring to:
>>
>> \startmakeup[standard][doublesided=yes]
>>
>> \setuplayout[backspace=176pt,width=194pt]
>> \setupinterlinespace[line=22pt]
>> \style[tfa]
>>
>> \startalignment[hanging,flushleft,nothyphenated]
>> \placeinitial Ahora, vosotros que amáis, dejadme que os formule una 
>> pregunta: ¿quién sufre más por  ello,  Arcite  o  Palamón? ¿El  que  
>> ve  a  su  dama  diariamente,  pero  está  encerrado para  siempre,  
>> o  el  que  es  libre  de  ir  donde  le plazca, pero  no  verá  
>> nunca  más  a  su  dama?  Aquellos  de vosotros que  podáis,  elegid  
>> entre  las  dos  situaciones  a voluntad; yo,  por  mi  parte, 
>> continuaré como he empezado.
>> \stopalignment
>>
>> \startalignment[hanging,flushright,nothyphenated]
>> \blank[0.8cm,force]{\tfa\sc  Geofrey Chaucer,\hspace[big]}
>> \blank[0.1cm,force]{\tfa\em The Canterbury Tales \hspace[big]}
>> \stopalignment
>>
>> \stopmakeup
> You can add this to cont-new.mkxl (assuming lmtx)
>
> \unprotect
>
> \permanent\tolerant\protected\def\flushinitial
>   {\typo_initial_handle}
>
> \protect
>
> and then
>
>     \placeinitial  \flushinitial Ahora, ...
>
> will work. More clever automated solutions are likely to interfere and 
> have side effects for embedded cases so this is the best I can come up 
> with now.
>
> Hans
>
>
>
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Re: Special layouts don't recognise placeinitial

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/24/2021 12:41 PM, Eduardo Bohoyo wrote:
> Thank you, Hans. This tweak works perfectly on a provisional basis.
> 
> However, from my relative ignorance of ConTeXt and LMTX, I have a 
> question: Why is it better at the moment to include this code in 
> cont-new.mkxl instead on the preamble of my document?
> 
> I insist, I do not question this detail. I speak from the lack of 
> knowledge of a user who wants to learn a little more.
cont-new will be replaced at he next uipload so then you use the built 
in .. no need to add to a preamble

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Re: Special layouts don't recognise placeinitial

[Eduardo Bohoyo]

Ah, I got it. Thanks for the clarification, Hans.

It's clear that this makes sense.

Eduardo Bohoyo

El 24/5/21 a las 14:22, Hans Hagen escribió:
> On 5/24/2021 12:41 PM, Eduardo Bohoyo wrote:
>> Thank you, Hans. This tweak works perfectly on a provisional basis.
>>
>> However, from my relative ignorance of ConTeXt and LMTX, I have a 
>> question: Why is it better at the moment to include this code in 
>> cont-new.mkxl instead on the preamble of my document?
>>
>> I insist, I do not question this detail. I speak from the lack of 
>> knowledge of a user who wants to learn a little more.
> cont-new will be replaced at he next uipload so then you use the built 
> in .. no need to add to a preamble
>
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