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Which I can well understand: changes on this level may trigger = a lot of unwanted problems. But now I can program around it with a clear conscience;-) dr. Hans van der Meer > On 30 May 2023, at 11:33, Hans Hagen via ntg-context = wrote: >=20 > On 5/30/2023 10:18 AM, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context wrote: >> There is -- in my perception -- a problem with the interaction = between font style and font size changes. >> The order of calling for example \it\small matters because \small\it = leads to a different result. >> I would however reason that size and style changes should be in = orthogonal spaces, that is: the one should have no effect on the other. >> Cause of this behaviour seems the \tf call included in small. See the = accompanying example. >> I can try to program around this, but I would prefer not to. Is there = a possibility that this behaviour will be changed to \it\small and = \small\it giving the same result? > \small does a (massive) bodyfont switch and therefore you end up with = regular tf >=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry = to the Wiki! >=20 > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / = https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : https://contextgarden.net > = __________________________________________________________________________= _________ --Apple-Mail=_BCBCA741-2BAD-478A-9382-336B3EE5F250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hans,

I see this as a no with = respect to changing the behaviour of \small and friends. Which I can = well understand: changes on this level may trigger a lot of unwanted = problems.
But now I can program around it with a clear = conscience;-)

dr. Hans van der = Meer

On 30 = May 2023, at 11:33, Hans Hagen via ntg-context = <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

On 5/30/2023 10:18 AM, = Hans van der Meer via ntg-context wrote:
There is -- in my perception -- a problem with the = interaction between font style and font size changes.
The order of = calling for example  \it\small matters because \small\it leads to a = different result.
I would however reason that size and style changes = should be in orthogonal spaces, that is: the one should have no effect = on the other.
Cause of this behaviour seems the \tf call included in = small. See the accompanying example.
I can try to program around = this, but I would prefer not to. Is there a possibility that this = behaviour will be changed to \it\small and \small\it giving the same = result?
\small does a (massive) bodyfont switch and = therefore you end up with regular = tf


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