* Re: \em: real italics?
@ 1998-10-30 9:56 Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 1998-10-30 9:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Much, much better is to make these changes in the file cont-opt.tex, in
But beware! This file is overwritten by texexec (if you use that script
at all).
Hans
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* Re: \em: real italics?
@ 1998-10-30 16:03 Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 1998-10-30 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
Frans Goddijn wrote:
> HH> But beware! This file is overwritten by texexec (if you use that
> HH> script at all).
>
> Tricky business... ;=}
cont-new : for intermediate hacks, never used by you
cont-usr : for user specific stuff
lang-usr : for language settings (look and understand)
cont-sys : for local settings, like default dvi driver and fig path
cont-opt : for run time settings, used by texexec
I advice to put local things into cont-sys.
> pdftex &cont-nl dekunst.tex
> pause
> perl5 f:\context\texutil.pl dekunst --references
> rem texutil.exe dekunst /references
> pause
> pdftex &cont-nl dekunst.tex
Well, why not try:
texexec --pdf dekunst.tex
Hans
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* \em: real italics?
@ 1998-10-30 14:14 Frans Goddijn
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From: Frans Goddijn @ 1998-10-30 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
said Hans Hagen to All:
HH> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Much, much better is to make these changes in the file cont-opt.tex, in
HH> But beware! This file is overwritten by texexec (if you use that
HH> script at all).
Tricky business... ;=}
I followed Taco's advice. (PS: after reading the subsequent message from
Hans about yet another file to put such options in, I moved it a last
time...)
In the past I read your advice to use texexec but never got as far as to
follow up on it. I compile the file "dekunst.tex" using this batch file:
pdftex &cont-nl dekunst.tex
pause
perl5 f:\context\texutil.pl dekunst --references
rem texutil.exe dekunst /references
pause
pdftex &cont-nl dekunst.tex
Met hartelijke groet!
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* Re: \em: real italics?
@ 1998-10-30 9:21 Taco Hoekwater
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 1998-10-30 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
>>>>> "FG" == Frans Goddijn <fg@fgbbs.iaf.nl> writes:
FG> said Hans Hagen to All:
HH> From the source code font-ini.tex:
HH> %D \def\emphasistypeface {\it}
HH> %D \def\emphasisboldface {\bi}
HH> You can change these.
FG> I see. Is this also the proper and clean place to do the change? When I
FG> install a later version of ConTeXt I might lose these changes that I make,
FG> so I must keep track of them.
Much, much better is to make these changes in the file cont-opt.tex, in
either the system directory or the current dir. This file is specifically
intended for changes like these: it is guaranteed to never be part of
the context distribution, and is automatically read each time context
starts up.
FG> This is what I changed in font-ini.tex: (do I need to generate a new
FG> format now? I think not)
With this change, yes, you would have to make a new format. But don't
do this, please.
Greetings, Taco
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* \em: real italics?
@ 1998-10-30 8:30 Frans Goddijn
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From: Frans Goddijn @ 1998-10-30 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
said Hans Hagen to All:
HH> From the source code font-ini.tex:
HH> %D \def\emphasistypeface {\it}
HH> %D \def\emphasisboldface {\bi}
HH> You can change these.
I see. Is this also the proper and clean place to do the change? When I
install a later version of ConTeXt I might lose these changes that I make,
so I must keep track of them.
> "small caps italic" font. But I think the chances of that happening
> would be small if I watch out a little. Or maybe I could have a macro
> preventing this, a variation of "\kap" that will set in small caps
> even though the environment is italics?
HH> Hm. Remind me to look into this one day ... Maybe an entry in the
HH> font environment definition.
Anything if it works! ;=}
> Why is it slanted in default?
HH> Well, I consider the computer modern italic to be rather ugly
HH> (unreadable).
I agree, but then again, if people take the trouble to use ConTeXt because
they want better documents they'd better look out for a better font as
well...
This is what I changed in font-ini.tex: (do I need to generate a new
format now? I think not)
%D \macros
%D {em,emphasistypeface,emphasisboldface}
%D
%D The next macro started as a copy of Donald Arseneau's
%D \type{\em} (\TUGNEWS\ Vol.~3, no.~1, 1994). His
%D implementation was a bit more sophisticated version of the
%D standard \LATEX\ one. We furter enhanced the macro, so now
%D it also adapts itself to boldface mode. Because we favor
%D {\sl slanted} type over {\it italic}, we made the emphasis
%D adaptable, for instance:
%D
%D \starttypen
%D \def\emphasistypeface {\it}
%D \def\emphasisboldface {\bi}
%D \stoptypen
%D
%D But we prefer:
%\def\emphasistypeface {\sl}
%\def\emphasisboldface {\bs}
%FG But I still prefer (when NOT using Computer Modern):
\def\emphasistypeface {\it}
\def\emphasisboldface {\bi}
Met hartelijke groet!
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* Re: \em: real italics?
@ 1998-10-29 15:42 Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 1998-10-29 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
Frans Goddijn wrote:
>
> In ConTeXt, if I do {\em text} then the word "text" is set in slanted
> font. In this case, my normal roman upright Times font is faked into
> leaning over a bit. I'd rather have this default to real italics, since I
> have an italics Times font. The idea to have fakes in my text body makes
> me uneasy. What is a real typographer would se me hacking here?
>From the source code font-ini.tex:
%D \def\emphasistypeface {\it}
%D \def\emphasisboldface {\bi}
You can change these.
> Of course, the trade off here would be that anything set in true small
> caps in the {\em ... } environment would me missing, since I don't have a
> "small caps italic" font. But I think the chances of that happening would
> be small if I watch out a little. Or maybe I could have a macro preventing
> this, a variation of "\kap" that will set in small caps even though the
> environment is italics?
Hm. Remind me to look into this one day ... Maybe an entry in the font
environment definition.
> How and where could I flip a switch telling ConTeXt to use real italics
> for emphasized text?
>
> Why is it slanted in default? Is that a technical necessity for possible
> missing fonts or do the programmers think it 's actually prettier? I could
> be wrong surmising that real italics is better, say, in an interview where
> questions are in italics, answers in roman font.
Well, I consider the computer modern italic to be rather ugly
(unreadable).
Hans
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* \em: real italics?
@ 1998-10-29 14:39 Frans Goddijn
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From: Frans Goddijn @ 1998-10-29 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
In ConTeXt, if I do {\em text} then the word "text" is set in slanted
font. In this case, my normal roman upright Times font is faked into
leaning over a bit. I'd rather have this default to real italics, since I
have an italics Times font. The idea to have fakes in my text body makes
me uneasy. What is a real typographer would se me hacking here?
Of course, the trade off here would be that anything set in true small
caps in the {\em ... } environment would me missing, since I don't have a
"small caps italic" font. But I think the chances of that happening would
be small if I watch out a little. Or maybe I could have a macro preventing
this, a variation of "\kap" that will set in small caps even though the
environment is italics?
How and where could I flip a switch telling ConTeXt to use real italics
for emphasized text?
Why is it slanted in default? Is that a technical necessity for possible
missing fonts or do the programmers think it 's actually prettier? I could
be wrong surmising that real italics is better, say, in an interview where
questions are in italics, answers in roman font.
Met hartelijke groet!
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The Netherlands | http://www.iaf.nl/Users/Meridian
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