Page Layout

Page Layout

[David Arnold]

All,

On page 182 of Lamport's "Latex, A Document Preparation System," one can
find a picture of the layout of a latex style, with all of the various
parameters (topmargin, headheight, etc) clearly indicated in the figure.

Is there such a thing available in Context?

Yes, I am aware of \showframe, \showlayout, but these don't actually
indicate on the picture what each parameter represents, though most are
intuitive. Still, it would be helpful to have such a layout as that in
Lamport's book.

Re: Page Layout

[Hans Hagen]

David Arnold wrote:

> On page 182 of Lamport's "Latex, A Document Preparation System," one can
> find a picture of the layout of a latex style, with all of the various
> parameters (topmargin, headheight, etc) clearly indicated in the figure.
> 
> Is there such a thing available in Context?
> 
> Yes, I am aware of \showframe, \showlayout, but these don't actually
> indicate on the picture what each parameter represents, though most are
> intuitive. Still, it would be helpful to have such a layout as that in
> Lamport's book.

There are some in the big manual. Also of 'logo spaces', 'text spaces',
and some more. Try 

\starttext

\setuplayout[top=1cm,bottom=1cm,width=middle,height=middle]

\setupbackgrounds
  [top,header,text,footer,bottom]
  [text,leftmargin,rightmargin,leftedge,rightedge]
  [frame=on]

\setupbackgrounds
  [header]
  [leftmargin]
  [background=screen]

\stoptext

(will be in demo suite d-en-100)

Hans

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Re: Page Layout

[Gilbert van den Dobbelsteen]

>Is there such a thing available in Context?

Not really, and Context doesn't show all boxes (like edges), so what I
usually do is this:

\def\BOX#1#2{\framed[width=#1,height=#2]{}}

And then:

\setuptexttexts
  [edge]
  [\BOX\leftedgewidth,\textheight]
  [\BOX\rightedgewidth,\textheight]

This shows some boxes on places where you want it. If this clobbers your
usual stuff, you can use overlays and backgrounds to do so. It is not
exactly the same as \showlayout etc, but it gets the job done:

\defineoverlay[BACKFRAME][{\BOX\overlaywidth\overlayheight}]

\setupbackgrounds
  [text]
  [leftedge]
  [background=BACKFRAME]

This also shows the offset if you had one.

The \showlayout macro creates a solid filled box, which clobbers all
backgrounds, I don't know if this is a bug or a feature, but sometimes I do
not want to have the backgrounds clobbered, especially if I use offsetted
backgrounds.

So ok, there is no in-the-box solution, but as usual, you can roll your own.

Happy experimenting, Gilbert.

Re: Page Layout

[Hans Hagen]

Gilbert van den Dobbelsteen wrote:

> \setupbackgrounds
>   [text]
>   [leftedge]
>   [background=BACKFRAME]
> 
> This also shows the offset if you had one.

Well, then how about just saying: 

\setupbackgrounds
  [text][leftedge][frame=on]

given that the leftedge has a width, 

Hans

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Re: Page Layout

[Gilbert van den Dobbelsteen]

>
>Well, then how about just saying:
>
>\setupbackgrounds
>  [text][leftedge][frame=on]

Never looked at the command, looks good. But let me state something useless:

\startsillystatement
Usually I seek for features in \CONTEXT\ and I don't find them.
After that, I program them my own,
which is usually pretty trivial in \CONTEXT.

After feeling very content about my hacking/solution finding, Hans
points out there was already support for it.
I just missed it in the docs/sources.

Conclusion: I need \CONTEXT-aware-spectacles so documentation gets
into my brain more easily.

Can that be integrated in the next-version?
\stopsillystatement

Gilbert.

Re: Page Layout

[Hans Hagen]

Gilbert van den Dobbelsteen wrote:

> Conclusion: I need \CONTEXT-aware-spectacles so documentation gets
> into my brain more easily.
> 
> Can that be integrated in the next-version?

I'm really thinking about a system you can talk to -)

Concerning such options: many commands use a version of \framed
low-level, so those options are often available. The setups are the
ultimate source. Some day I hope to finish the rest of their
descriptions.  

On the other hand, experimenting a bit with tex programming does not
harm that much. Things like nice title pages always need a bit of
programming. NAy practice will help.    

Hans

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page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Hi,

Say I want to typeset a 10 x 18 cm book and print proofs on a A4 paper.
Margins :
top = 1cm
bottom = 1.5cm
left & right = 1cm

I'd like crop marks to.

My attempts based on the docs fail.

Sorry, but this simple request is not easy to deduce directly from the
beginners doc -- although I translated the chapter about page layout
(sigh...)

Thanks in advance.
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Re: page layout

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 02.04.10 12:13, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
> Hi,
>
> Say I want to typeset a 10 x 18 cm book and print proofs on a A4 paper.
> Margins :
> top = 1cm
> bottom = 1.5cm
> left&  right = 1cm
>
> I'd like crop marks to.
>    
\definepapersize[book][width=10cm,height=18cm]

\setuppapersize[book][A4]

\setuplayout
   [backspace=1cm,
    width=middle,
    topspace=1cm,
    bottomspace=1.5cm,
    %header=...,
    %headerdistance=...,
    %footer=...,
    %footerdistance=...,
    height=middle,
    location=middle,
    marking=on]

Wolfgang

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Re: page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 02 avril 2010 à 01:56, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
> Am 02.04.10 12:13, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Say I want to typeset a 10 x 18 cm book and print proofs on a A4 paper.
>> Margins :
>> top = 1cm
>> bottom = 1.5cm
>> left&  right = 1cm
>>
>> I'd like crop marks to.
>>    
> \definepapersize[book][width=10cm,height=18cm]
>
> \setuppapersize[book][A4]
>
> \setuplayout
>   [backspace=1cm,
>    width=middle,
>    topspace=1cm,
>    bottomspace=1.5cm,
>    %header=...,
>    %headerdistance=...,
>    %footer=...,
>    %footerdistance=...,
>    height=middle,
>    location=middle,
>    marking=on]

Thanks.
Can we have a little bit more details when the marking is "on" (jobname,
date, for example)?

My question was a bit simpler than my real case: I mentioned left & right
margins should be 1cm. Ok, what if I actually need left (inner) 2 cm and
right (outer) 1 cm.

Thanks (again) in advance.

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Re: page layout

[Willi Egger]

Hi,

you will have to give more paramters to the \setuplayout command

	...
	leftmargign=1cm,
	leftmargindistance=.5\em,
         rightmargin=2cm,
	rightmargindistance=.5\em,
         width=fit
         ...

If you want more information when marking is needed, then you could  
have a look at t-cropmarks by Thomas A. Schmitz.

\usemodule-cropmarks
\setupmodule[Mark=Cross,Info=yes]

Willi	
On 6 Apr 2010, at 16:37, Sebastien Mengin wrote:

> Le 02 avril 2010 à 01:56, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
>> Am 02.04.10 12:13, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Say I want to typeset a 10 x 18 cm book and print proofs on a A4  
>>> paper.
>>> Margins :
>>> top = 1cm
>>> bottom = 1.5cm
>>> left&  right = 1cm
>>>
>>> I'd like crop marks to.
>>>
>> \definepapersize[book][width=10cm,height=18cm]
>>
>> \setuppapersize[book][A4]
>>
>> \setuplayout
>>   [backspace=1cm,
>>    width=middle,
>>    topspace=1cm,
>>    bottomspace=1.5cm,
>>    %header=...,
>>    %headerdistance=...,
>>    %footer=...,
>>    %footerdistance=...,
>>    height=middle,
>>    location=middle,
>>    marking=on]
>
> Thanks.
> Can we have a little bit more details when the marking is  
> "on" (jobname,
> date, for example)?
>
> My question was a bit simpler than my real case: I mentioned left &  
> right
> margins should be 1cm. Ok, what if I actually need left (inner) 2  
> cm and
> right (outer) 1 cm.
>
> Thanks (again) in advance.
>
> -- 
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> Édition et logiciels libres
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> http://edilibre.net
>
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Re: page layout

[Willi Egger]

Sorry for replying to my own mail.

I was just a little to fast with my answer concerning the t- 
cropmarks. I realize that it is not in the list of the third-party  
modules on the wiki.

Willi

On 6 Apr 2010, at 20:52, Willi Egger wrote:

> Hi,
>
> you will have to give more paramters to the \setuplayout command
>
> 	...
> 	leftmargign=1cm,
> 	leftmargindistance=.5\em,
>         rightmargin=2cm,
> 	rightmargindistance=.5\em,
>         width=fit
>         ...
>
> If you want more information when marking is needed, then you could  
> have a look at t-cropmarks by Thomas A. Schmitz.
>
> \usemodule-cropmarks
> \setupmodule[Mark=Cross,Info=yes]
>
> Willi	
> On 6 Apr 2010, at 16:37, Sebastien Mengin wrote:
>
>> Le 02 avril 2010 à 01:56, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
>>> Am 02.04.10 12:13, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Say I want to typeset a 10 x 18 cm book and print proofs on a A4  
>>>> paper.
>>>> Margins :
>>>> top = 1cm
>>>> bottom = 1.5cm
>>>> left&  right = 1cm
>>>>
>>>> I'd like crop marks to.
>>>>
>>> \definepapersize[book][width=10cm,height=18cm]
>>>
>>> \setuppapersize[book][A4]
>>>
>>> \setuplayout
>>>   [backspace=1cm,
>>>    width=middle,
>>>    topspace=1cm,
>>>    bottomspace=1.5cm,
>>>    %header=...,
>>>    %headerdistance=...,
>>>    %footer=...,
>>>    %footerdistance=...,
>>>    height=middle,
>>>    location=middle,
>>>    marking=on]
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Can we have a little bit more details when the marking is  
>> "on" (jobname,
>> date, for example)?
>>
>> My question was a bit simpler than my real case: I mentioned left  
>> & right
>> margins should be 1cm. Ok, what if I actually need left (inner) 2  
>> cm and
>> right (outer) 1 cm.
>>
>> Thanks (again) in advance.
>>
>> -- 
>> Sébastien Mengin
>> Édition et logiciels libres
>> < Mise en page avec LaTeX >
>> http://edilibre.net
>>
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Re: page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 06 avril 2010 à 08:58, Willi Egger a écrit:
> Sorry for replying to my own mail.
>
> I was just a little to fast with my answer concerning the t-cropmarks. I 
> realize that it is not in the list of the third-party modules on the wiki.

No problem, I saw a mail of yours on the archive and got the module
finally. Interesting...

Thanks for the tip.

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Re: page layout

[Willi Egger]

Hi,

This might be an old version. I hope, that we can upload an newer  
version shortly.

Kind regards

Willi
On 6 Apr 2010, at 21:27, Sebastien Mengin wrote:

> Le 06 avril 2010 à 08:58, Willi Egger a écrit:
>> Sorry for replying to my own mail.
>>
>> I was just a little to fast with my answer concerning the t- 
>> cropmarks. I
>> realize that it is not in the list of the third-party modules on  
>> the wiki.
>
> No problem, I saw a mail of yours on the archive and got the module
> finally. Interesting...
>
> Thanks for the tip.
>
> -- 
> Sébastien Mengin
> Édition et logiciels libres
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> http://edilibre.net
>
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Re: page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 06 avril 2010 à 08:52, Willi Egger a écrit:
> Hi,

Hi,

> you will have to give more paramters to the \setuplayout command
>
> 	...
> 	leftmargign=1cm,
> 	leftmargindistance=.5\em,
>         rightmargin=2cm,
> 	rightmargindistance=.5\em,
>         width=fit
>         ...

I think I'm misleaded by the (my) confusion between "margins" and
"edges".

Here's what I use, it's almost satisfying but I've a small amount of
space at the left edge of each pages and the whole layout isn't
double-side.

\definepapersize[book][width=10cm,height=18cm]

\setuppapersize[book][A4]

\setuplayout
  [%backspace=1cm, % am I right to comment out this line?
   leftedge=1cm,
   rightedge=2cm,
   leftedgedistance=0cm,
   rightedgedistance=0cm,
   leftmargin=0cm,
   rightmargin=0cm,
   width=7cm, % either "fit" doesn't suppress the above mentionned
              % whitespace
   topspace=1cm,
   bottomspace=1.5cm,
   %header=...,
   headerdistance=1cm,
   %footer=...,
   %footerdistance=...,
   height=middle,
   location=middle,
   marking=on]
\showlayout

\starttext

\input tufte

\stoptext

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Re: page layout

[Willi Egger]

Hi,

\setuplayout
   [backspace=1cm, % am I right to comment out this line? - No  
backspace defines where the textblock starts from the left
    % leftedge=1cm,			%edge is reserved for screendocuments, where  
you can have margin and edge spaces
    % rightedge=2cm,
    % leftedgedistance=0cm,
    % rightedgedistance=0cm,
    leftmargin=1cm,
    leftmargindistance=0pt,
    rightmargin=2cm,
    rightmargindistance=0pt,
    % width=7cm, % either "fit" doesn't suppress the above mentionned
               % whitespace
    width=fit,
    topspace=1cm,
    bottomspace=1.5cm,
    %header=...,
    headerdistance=1cm,
    %footer=...,
    %footerdistance=...,
    height=middle,
    location=middle,
    marking=on]

Willi
On 6 Apr 2010, at 21:23, Sebastien Mengin wrote:

> Le 06 avril 2010 à 08:52, Willi Egger a écrit:
>> Hi,
>
> Hi,
>
>> you will have to give more paramters to the \setuplayout command
>>
>> 	...
>> 	leftmargign=1cm,
>> 	leftmargindistance=.5\em,
>>         rightmargin=2cm,
>> 	rightmargindistance=.5\em,
>>         width=fit
>>         ...
>
> I think I'm misleaded by the (my) confusion between "margins" and
> "edges".
>
> Here's what I use, it's almost satisfying but I've a small amount of
> space at the left edge of each pages and the whole layout isn't
> double-side.
>
> \definepapersize[book][width=10cm,height=18cm]
>
> \setuppapersize[book][A4]
>
> \setuplayout
>   [%backspace=1cm, % am I right to comment out this line?
>    leftedge=1cm,
>    rightedge=2cm,
>    leftedgedistance=0cm,
>    rightedgedistance=0cm,
>    leftmargin=0cm,
>    rightmargin=0cm,
>    width=7cm, % either "fit" doesn't suppress the above mentionned
>               % whitespace
>    topspace=1cm,
>    bottomspace=1.5cm,
>    %header=...,
>    headerdistance=1cm,
>    %footer=...,
>    %footerdistance=...,
>    height=middle,
>    location=middle,
>    marking=on]
> \showlayout
>
> \starttext
>
> \input tufte
>
> \stoptext
>
> Sincerely,
> -- 
> Sébastien Mengin
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>
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Re: page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 06 avril 2010 à 09:43, Willi Egger a écrit:
> Hi,
>
> \setuplayout
>   [backspace=1cm, % am I right to comment out this line? - No backspace 
> defines where the textblock starts from the left
>    % leftedge=1cm,			%edge is reserved for screendocuments, where you can 
> have margin and edge spaces

Ok. Thanks again.

>    % rightedge=2cm,
>    % leftedgedistance=0cm,
>    % rightedgedistance=0cm,
>    leftmargin=1cm,
>    leftmargindistance=0pt,
>    rightmargin=2cm,
>    rightmargindistance=0pt,
>    % width=7cm, % either "fit" doesn't suppress the above mentionned
>               % whitespace
>    width=fit,
>    topspace=1cm,
>    bottomspace=1.5cm,
>    %header=...,
>    headerdistance=1cm,
>    %footer=...,
>    %footerdistance=...,
>    height=middle,
>    location=middle,
>    marking=on]

I still feel like there's some "magic" knowledge involved ;)
But I guess that with time I'm going to get used to this new -- at least
for me -- terminology.

Are those keywords "translatable" (or already translated)? I read that
context commands are localized.

Sincerely,

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Re: page layout

[Willi Egger]

On 6 Apr 2010, at 22:05, Sebastien Mengin wrote:

> Le 06 avril 2010 à 09:43, Willi Egger a écrit:
>> Hi,
>>
>> \setuplayout
>>   [backspace=1cm, % am I right to comment out this line? - No  
>> backspace
>> defines where the textblock starts from the left
>>    % leftedge=1cm,			%edge is reserved for screendocuments, where  
>> you can
>> have margin and edge spaces
>
> Ok. Thanks again.
>
>>    % rightedge=2cm,
>>    % leftedgedistance=0cm,
>>    % rightedgedistance=0cm,
>>    leftmargin=1cm,
>>    leftmargindistance=0pt,
>>    rightmargin=2cm,
>>    rightmargindistance=0pt,
>>    % width=7cm, % either "fit" doesn't suppress the above mentionned
>>               % whitespace
>>    width=fit,
>>    topspace=1cm,
>>    bottomspace=1.5cm,
>>    %header=...,
>>    headerdistance=1cm,
>>    %footer=...,
>>    %footerdistance=...,
>>    height=middle,
>>    location=middle,
>>    marking=on]
>
> I still feel like there's some "magic" knowledge involved ;)
> But I guess that with time I'm going to get used to this new -- at  
> least
> for me -- terminology.

Indeed, naming differs from other TEX-tastes
>
> Are those keywords "translatable" (or already translated)? I read that
> context commands are localized.

you can run ConTeXt with french interface. For translated keywords  
look into mult-def.lua

Willi
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Re: page layout

[Hans Hagen]

On 6-4-2010 9:23, Sebastien Mengin wrote:
> Le 06 avril 2010 à 08:52, Willi Egger a écrit:
>> Hi,
>
> Hi,
>
>> you will have to give more paramters to the \setuplayout command
>>
>> 	...
>> 	leftmargign=1cm,
>> 	leftmargindistance=.5\em,
>>          rightmargin=2cm,
>> 	rightmargindistance=.5\em,
>>          width=fit
>>          ...
>
> I think I'm misleaded by the (my) confusion between "margins" and
> "edges".

edges and top/bottom are sort of virtual ... they were originally meant 
for navigational goodies that then would not interfere with margins and 
headers/footers and could be turned on/off easilly; of course one can 
also use them otherwise

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Re: page layout

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 06.04.10 21:23, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
> Here's what I use, it's almost satisfying but I've a small amount of
> space at the left edge of each pages and the whole layout isn't
> double-side.
>    
To set 1cm at the left side and 2cm at the right side use

\setuplayout
   [...,
    backspace=1cm, % inner/left margin
    cutspace=2cm,  % outer/right margin
    width=middle,  % calculate the textwidth
    ...]

A doublesided layout is enabled with

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

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Re: page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 06 avril 2010 à 11:45, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit:
> Am 06.04.10 21:23, schrieb Sebastien Mengin:
>> Here's what I use, it's almost satisfying but I've a small amount of
>> space at the left edge of each pages and the whole layout isn't
>> double-side.
>>    
> To set 1cm at the left side and 2cm at the right side use
>
> \setuplayout
>   [...,
>    backspace=1cm, % inner/left margin
>    cutspace=2cm,  % outer/right margin
>    width=middle,  % calculate the textwidth
>    ...]

I'm trying to find a French equivalent for back/cutspace... any idea?

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Re: page layout

[Vianney le Clément]

> I'm trying to find a French equivalent for back/cutspace... any idea?

Marge intérieure / marge extérieure?
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Re: page layout

[Taco Hoekwater]

Vianney le Clément wrote:
>> I'm trying to find a French equivalent for back/cutspace... any idea?
> 

mult-def.lua holds the database of translations of keywords. This
database is used to create the mult-xx files for context mkii.

In there you will find:

  ["backspace"]={
   ["cs"]="odsazenizleva",
   ["de"]="rumpfweite",
   ["en"]="backspace",
   ["fr"]="retourarriere",
   ["it"]="spaziodietro",
   ["nl"]="rugwit",
   ["pe"]="",
   ["ro"]="spatiuspate",
  },
  ["cutspace"]={
   ["cs"]="cutspace",
   ["de"]="cutspace",
   ["en"]="cutspace",
   ["fr"]="cutspace",
   ["it"]="cutspace",
   ["nl"]="snijwit",
   ["pe"]="",
   ["ro"]="cutspace",
  },


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Re: page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 07 avril 2010 à 03:23, Taco Hoekwater a écrit:
> 
> 
> Vianney le Clément wrote:
> >> I'm trying to find a French equivalent for back/cutspace... any idea?
> > 
> 
> mult-def.lua holds the database of translations of keywords. This
> database is used to create the mult-xx files for context mkii.

Thanks.
"retourarriere" is a litteral translation (to my opinion) and is not
reflecting what the keyword "backspace" really means. In fact, I find it
quite exotic in a definition of a page layout...

> In there you will find:
> 
>   ["backspace"]={
>    ["cs"]="odsazenizleva",
>    ["de"]="rumpfweite",
>    ["en"]="backspace",
>    ["fr"]="retourarriere",
>    ["it"]="spaziodietro",
>    ["nl"]="rugwit",
>    ["pe"]="",
>    ["ro"]="spatiuspate",
>   },
>   ["cutspace"]={
>    ["cs"]="cutspace",
>    ["de"]="cutspace",
>    ["en"]="cutspace",
>    ["fr"]="cutspace",
>    ["it"]="cutspace",
>    ["nl"]="snijwit",
>    ["pe"]="",
>    ["ro"]="cutspace",
>   },

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Re: page layout

[Vianney le Clément]

> "retourarriere" is a litteral translation (to my opinion) and is not
> reflecting what the keyword "backspace" really means. In fact, I find it
> quite exotic in a definition of a page layout...

I agree on that one. Maybe we can try some literal translation of the
dutch terms:
backspace -> rugwit -> blanc de dos?
cutspace -> snijwit -> blanc de coupure?
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Re: page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 07 avril 2010 à 03:39, Vianney le Clément a écrit:
> > "retourarriere" is a litteral translation (to my opinion) and is not
> > reflecting what the keyword "backspace" really means. In fact, I find it
> > quite exotic in a definition of a page layout...
> 
> I agree on that one. Maybe we can try some literal translation of the
> dutch terms:
> backspace -> rugwit -> blanc de dos?
> cutspace -> snijwit -> blanc de coupure?

Not bad at all, I think.
Maybe "blanc de coupe" would be a little bit better.

But I'd rather follow, for example:
http://www.alain.les-hurtig.org/varia/empagement.html who uses "petit
fond" et "grand fond". It has the advantage to use a professional
terminology, which is easier to fall back to when discovering the
context system. No?

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Re: page layout

[Sebastien Mengin]

Le 07 avril 2010 à 03:16, Vianney le Clément a écrit:
> > I'm trying to find a French equivalent for back/cutspace... any idea?
> 
> Marge intérieure / marge extérieure?

No, this would be the equivalent of Inner margin / outer margin, I
guess.

The thing is that I don't know and don't find printers terminology using
"backspace" or "cutspace".

In French, we also have "petit fond" and "grand fond", that might be
what I'm looking for, but not sure.

It's not procrastination, by the way: I'd just like to get a clear
picture of the concepts behind context terminology and, eventually, try
to translate them in order to help new users (and myself!) to get in the
way easily.

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Re: page layout

[Hans Hagen]

On 7-4-2010 3:27, Sebastien Mengin wrote:
> Le 07 avril 2010 à 03:16, Vianney le Clément a écrit:
>>> I'm trying to find a French equivalent for back/cutspace... any idea?
>>
>> Marge intérieure / marge extérieure?
>
> No, this would be the equivalent of Inner margin / outer margin, I
> guess.
>
> The thing is that I don't know and don't find printers terminology using
> "backspace" or "cutspace".

well, it was translated (not by me) from rugwit (rug == back as in 
Scratch my Back (http://www.petergabriel.com/scratchmyback/)) and snijwit

Hans

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Re: page layout

[R. Bastian]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 15:27:48 +0200
Sebastien Mengin <sebastien-listes@edilibre.net> scribit:

> Le 07 avril 2010 à 03:16, Vianney le Clément a écrit:
> > > I'm trying to find a French equivalent for back/cutspace... any idea?
> > 
> > Marge intérieure / marge extérieure?
> 
> No, this would be the equivalent of Inner margin / outer margin, I
> guess.
> 
> The thing is that I don't know and don't find printers terminology using
> "backspace" or "cutspace".
> 
> In French, we also have "petit fond" and "grand fond", that might be
> what I'm looking for, but not sure.
> 
> It's not procrastination, by the way: I'd just like to get a clear
> picture of the concepts behind context terminology and, eventually, try
> to translate them in order to help new users (and myself!) to get in the
> way easily.

ask Jacques André

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