This is still a problem with the current standalone. \definelabel[X][text=] \startTEXpage[offset=1cm]   \X\X[a]\X[b]\X\par   \convertnumber{R}{\ref[number][a]}   \convertnumber{G}{\ref[number][b]} \stopTEXpage %% The above example fails to compile when there is no tuc file, %%    complaining of a missing number in line 4. When lines 4 %%    and 5 are removed and the file is compiled, producing %%    a .tuc file, and then they are restored, the example %%    compiles without error. The effect of having or not having %%    an associated .tuc file does seem a bit odd. Surely there is a way to get the number from a label reference that can then be converted to a numeral of choice. -- Rik