strange behaviour

strange behaviour

[Hraban]

I don't understand nothing anymore... I hoped that most of my problems
will disappear with the newest pdftex release (14g-pre), but no... :-(

(1) Chaotic page and line breaks
- I defined chapters with page=yes, but some (not all) chapters
  get chained without page breaks. What could cause this?
- Some long tables with \splitfloat split after a half full page,
  and the following pages are overfull (table reaches to the pagina
  line!)
- Some tabulates write some two lines together (looks like CR without LF)

(2) chapter depending error
One of my chapters doesn't want to run. The whole book without it runs,
this chapter alone runs, the book with this chapter and without some
other runs, but not all together. (Every chapter is a separate file.)
If all \input files are activated, the "annoying" chapter runs through,
but the next stops with the first command (\chapter) and gives the
following message:

! Undefined control sequence.
<write> ...{}{formal}{}{\realfolio }{\@@cvset 345
                                                  }
<inserted text>
                }\endwrite
\actualshipout ... \box \postponedcontent \box 0}}

What could be the reason for this?

Everything together looks for me like some wrong configuration
of something fundamental -- but what?

I'm looking forward to a happy end... ;-)

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Re: strange behaviour

[Hans Hagen]

At 02:58 PM 10/20/00 +0200, Hraban wrote:
>I don't understand nothing anymore... I hoped that most of my problems
>will disappear with the newest pdftex release (14g-pre), but no... :-(

Hm. 

>(1) Chaotic page and line breaks
>- I defined chapters with page=yes, but some (not all) chapters
>  get chained without page breaks. What could cause this?

should go ok, no changes

>- Some long tables with \splitfloat split after a half full page,
>  and the following pages are overfull (table reaches to the pagina
>  line!)

split is kind of tricky 

>- Some tabulates write some two lines together (looks like CR without LF)

do you miss any \NC ? 

>(2) chapter depending error
>One of my chapters doesn't want to run. The whole book without it runs,
>this chapter alone runs, the book with this chapter and without some
>other runs, but not all together. (Every chapter is a separate file.)
>If all \input files are activated, the "annoying" chapter runs through,
>but the next stops with the first command (\chapter) and gives the
>following message:

Do you redefine a command? Or have a grouping error? 

>! Undefined control sequence.
><write> ...{}{formal}{}{\realfolio }{\@@cvset 345
>                                                  }

this is a conversion call, but 234 should be a keyword/value not a number,
so, did you define your old commands without using CapInTheName? 

><inserted text>
>                }\endwrite
>\actualshipout ... \box \postponedcontent \box 0}}
>
>What could be the reason for this?

this looks like a missing } or \stop... error

>Everything together looks for me like some wrong configuration
>of something fundamental -- but what?

maybe, actually you use macros that haven't changed, so don't panic. We run
pretty complicated big files here daily -) 

Hans
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Re: strange behaviour

[Hraban]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> >- I defined chapters with page=yes, but some (not all) chapters
> >  get chained without page breaks. What could cause this?
> should go ok, no changes

*should*, really! Do you have an idea, what I should check?

> >- Some long tables with \splitfloat split after a half full page,
> >  and the following pages are overfull (table reaches to the pagina
> >  line!)
> split is kind of tricky

Is there anything to look after? What must I do, that it will work?

> >- Some tabulates write some two lines together (looks like CR without LF)
> do you miss any \NC ?

I'll check it again, but I had the same problem at other places, there
I wrote exactly the same line below and commented out the "wrong" one,
and it worked. I checked the file with an hex editor, if there were any
control codes, but didn't find any.

> >(2) chapter depending error
> >One of my chapters doesn't want to run. The whole book without it runs,
> Do you redefine a command? Or have a grouping error?

I defined a lot of new commands, but as far I see I didn't touch existing.
And I used no other commands in this special chapter than in others.

> >! Undefined control sequence.
> ><write> ...{}{formal}{}{\realfolio }{\@@cvset 345
> this is a conversion call, but 234 should be a keyword/value not a number,
> so, did you define your old commands without using CapInTheName?

Yes, there are some only lower case commands. Is that not allowed?
(I'm sure that they didn't exist before.)

> >What could be the reason for this?
> this looks like a missing } or \stop... error

Thought of sort of this, but found no missing stop.
And I think the error should come also with other chapters --
it's only with this combination!

> >Everything together looks for me like some wrong configuration
> >of something fundamental -- but what?
> maybe, actually you use macros that haven't changed, so don't panic. We run
> pretty complicated big files here daily -)

I did not mean that "something fundamental" was your fault.

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Re: strange behaviour

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:58 PM 10/20/00 +0200, Hraban wrote:

>Yes, there are some only lower case commands. Is that not allowed?
>(I'm sure that they didn't exist before.)

You can check that with \show\yourcommand before defining it. 

>> >What could be the reason for this?
>> this looks like a missing } or \stop... error
>
>Thought of sort of this, but found no missing stop.
>And I think the error should come also with other chapters --
>it's only with this combination!
>
>> >Everything together looks for me like some wrong configuration
>> >of something fundamental -- but what?
>> maybe, actually you use macros that haven't changed, so don't panic. We run
>> pretty complicated big files here daily -)
>
>I did not mean that "something fundamental" was your fault.

Oh, i consider anything that blow someones file my fault, that is, i should
catch as much as possible. 

Maybe you should send me a zip with the files (off list). 

Hans
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Re: strange behaviour

[Hraban]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Maybe you should send me a zip with the files (off list).

Thank you, follows.
I'll try to collect a minimal set.

BTW: Most of the overprinting lines in tables contain \index{}

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Re: strange behaviour

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:01 PM 10/24/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Maybe you should send me a zip with the files (off list).
>
>Here you are.
>
>This is the smallest set of chapters, with that most of the problems
>appear:
>- stop with "unknown command" --> anh4-eppelsheim.tex

no stop here, neither with pdftex or pdfetex, so maybe some files got mixed
up: can you try the latest beta?

>- overprinting lines in table/tabulate --> kap4-5a-zeittafel.tex

this is a result from your extremely high global widow and club assignments: 

  \appendtoks \widowpenalty=0 \clubpenalty=0 \to \everytabulate 

will solve your problem. I'll add these setting to the core macros, but for
the momen tyou have to add this lines in your style. 

btw, use no \AR in tabulate, just \NR

also, don't specify widths, since tabulate will sort that out for you:
[|l|p|] is ok.  

>- probably "joinedup" chapters (instead of new page)

I don't see that (maybe i look in the wrong place) maybe related to the
'unknown command' problem. First make sure that you run the latest version. 

>If you stumble across something, that I could do better, I'd be
>happy about advise.

Hans
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Re: strange behaviour

[Hraban]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> no stop here, neither with pdftex or pdfetex, so maybe some files got mixed
> up: can you try the latest beta?

I installed the latest beta and checked the run (or "not-run") before
I sent the files to you.
Yesterday I deleted the context directories and installed cont-tmf newly.
Since then the minimal file set I sent to you runs, but not with more
chapters.
I found a missing \stoptext and deleted all unneeded \start/stoptext, 
but it changed nothing.

> >- overprinting lines in table/tabulate --> kap4-5a-zeittafel.tex
> this is a result from your extremely high global widow and club assignments:

Ah! I see a light at the end of the tunnel :-)

>   \appendtoks \widowpenalty=0 \clubpenalty=0 \to \everytabulate
> will solve your problem. I'll add these setting to the core macros, but for
> the moment you have to add this lines in your style.

no problem. I only wanted *no* widows and orphants (clubs)...
Ok, this task is solved.
(Yeah, one less!) :-)

> btw, use no \AR in tabulate, just \NR

they were "real" tables before...
Ok, changed it.

> also, don't specify widths, since tabulate will sort that out for you:
> [|l|p|] is ok.

No, that leads to ugly results.

> >- probably "joinedup" chapters (instead of new page)
> I don't see that (maybe i look in the wrong place) maybe related to the
> 'unknown command' problem. First make sure that you run the latest version.

It appears, if I comment out the stopping chapter (there's no complete
pdf else).
I thought it could be also just a problem of the penalties, but commenting
them out has no effect in this area.

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