* setupnarrower and startnarrower @ 2013-08-06 13:11 Alan BRASLAU 2013-08-06 13:27 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2013-08-06 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hello, Could (should) startnarrower be modified to accept setup assignments? As in: \startnarrower [before=\blank,after=\blank] or \startnarrower [left=3cm] [left] etc. Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setupnarrower and startnarrower 2013-08-06 13:11 setupnarrower and startnarrower Alan BRASLAU @ 2013-08-06 13:27 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2013-08-06 14:09 ` Alan BRASLAU 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-08-06 13:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 06.08.2013 um 15:11 schrieb Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>: > Hello, > > Could (should) startnarrower be modified to accept setup assignments? > As in: > > \startnarrower [before=\blank,after=\blank] > > or > > \startnarrower [left=3cm] [left] > > etc. \usemodule[annotation] \defineannotation[NARROW][alternative=narrow] \starttext \input ward \startNARROW[leftmargin=3cm] \input ward \stopNARROW \input ward \startNARROW[rightmargin=2cm] \input ward \stopNARROW \input ward \stoptext Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setupnarrower and startnarrower 2013-08-06 13:27 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-08-06 14:09 ` Alan BRASLAU 2013-08-06 14:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2013-08-06 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Thank you Wolfgang, but I was wondering about the standard \startnarrower. Many (some) commands allow setup assignments, the use of which overides but does not change the default. This is a very useful feature of ConTeXt that suggest could be generalized. \startnarrower is but one example. Alan On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:27:16 +0200 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote: > > Am 06.08.2013 um 15:11 schrieb Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>: > > > Hello, > > > > Could (should) startnarrower be modified to accept setup assignments? > > As in: > > > > \startnarrower [before=\blank,after=\blank] > > > > or > > > > \startnarrower [left=3cm] [left] > > > > etc. > > > \usemodule[annotation] > > \defineannotation[NARROW][alternative=narrow] > > \starttext > > \input ward > > \startNARROW[leftmargin=3cm] > \input ward > \stopNARROW > > \input ward > > \startNARROW[rightmargin=2cm] > \input ward > \stopNARROW > > \input ward > > \stoptext ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setupnarrower and startnarrower 2013-08-06 14:09 ` Alan BRASLAU @ 2013-08-06 14:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2013-08-06 15:53 ` Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-08-06 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan BRASLAU; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 06.08.2013 um 16:09 schrieb Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>: > Thank you Wolfgang, but I was wondering about the standard \startnarrower. > > Many (some) commands allow setup assignments, the use of which overides but does not change the default. This is a very useful feature of ConTeXt that suggest could be generalized. \startnarrower is but one example. Changing the command is simple but I would drop the second argument when you want to change the left/right etc. values because you can say “left=4cm” etc. to get the desired margins. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setupnarrower and startnarrower 2013-08-06 14:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-08-06 15:53 ` Aditya Mahajan 2013-08-06 16:05 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2013-08-06 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 977 bytes --] On Tue, 6 Aug 2013, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > Am 06.08.2013 um 16:09 schrieb Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>: > >> Thank you Wolfgang, but I was wondering about the standard \startnarrower. >> >> Many (some) commands allow setup assignments, the use of which overides but does not change the default. This is a very useful feature of ConTeXt that suggest could be generalized. \startnarrower is but one example. > > Changing the command is simple but I would drop the second > argument when you want to change the left/right etc. values > because you can say “left=4cm” etc. to get the desired margins. startnarrower has a weird interface. Ideally, it should just support keywords: \startnarrower [ leftmargin=..., rightmargin=..., alternative=(left|right|both), spacebefore=...., spaceafter=...., indenting=...., indentnext=...., before=...., after=...., ] Aditya [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setupnarrower and startnarrower 2013-08-06 15:53 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2013-08-06 16:05 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2013-08-06 16:14 ` Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-08-06 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 06.08.2013 um 17:53 schrieb Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>: > On Tue, 6 Aug 2013, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > >> >> Am 06.08.2013 um 16:09 schrieb Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>: >> >>> Thank you Wolfgang, but I was wondering about the standard \startnarrower. >>> >>> Many (some) commands allow setup assignments, the use of which overides but does not change the default. This is a very useful feature of ConTeXt that suggest could be generalized. \startnarrower is but one example. >> >> Changing the command is simple but I would drop the second >> argument when you want to change the left/right etc. values >> because you can say “left=4cm” etc. to get the desired margins. > > startnarrower has a weird interface. Ideally, it should just support keywords: > > \startnarrower > [ > leftmargin=..., > rightmargin=..., > alternative=(left|right|both), > spacebefore=...., > spaceafter=...., > indenting=...., > indentnext=...., > before=...., > after=...., > ] That’s more or less what I use for the “narrow” alternative in the annotation module. I would prefer such a parameter driven narrower environment myself (do we even need the left, middle and right option when we can set absolute margins) but keeping the current interface for backwards compatibility make things a little bit ugly. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setupnarrower and startnarrower 2013-08-06 16:05 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-08-06 16:14 ` Aditya Mahajan 2013-08-07 20:59 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2013-08-06 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 1861 bytes --] On Tue, 6 Aug 2013, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > Am 06.08.2013 um 17:53 schrieb Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>: > >> On Tue, 6 Aug 2013, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: >> >>> >>> Am 06.08.2013 um 16:09 schrieb Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>: >>> >>>> Thank you Wolfgang, but I was wondering about the standard \startnarrower. >>>> >>>> Many (some) commands allow setup assignments, the use of which overides but does not change the default. This is a very useful feature of ConTeXt that suggest could be generalized. \startnarrower is but one example. >>> >>> Changing the command is simple but I would drop the second >>> argument when you want to change the left/right etc. values >>> because you can say “left=4cm” etc. to get the desired margins. >> >> startnarrower has a weird interface. Ideally, it should just support keywords: >> >> \startnarrower >> [ >> leftmargin=..., >> rightmargin=..., >> alternative=(left|right|both), >> spacebefore=...., >> spaceafter=...., >> indenting=...., >> indentnext=...., >> before=...., >> after=...., >> ] > > That’s more or less what I use for the “narrow” alternative in the annotation module. > > I would prefer such a parameter driven narrower environment myself (do we even need > the left, middle and right option when we can set absolute margins) but keeping the current > interface for backwards compatibility make things a little bit ugly. Haven't we broken backward compatibility for other environments as well? \startlinenumbering immediately comes to mind where the MkII interface was \startlinenumbering[continue] and the current interface is \startlinenumbering[continue=yes] I, for one, think that it is OK to break backward compatibility for more elegance and consistency. Aditya [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: setupnarrower and startnarrower 2013-08-06 16:14 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2013-08-07 20:59 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2013-08-07 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 8/6/2013 6:14 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Tue, 6 Aug 2013, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > >> >> Am 06.08.2013 um 17:53 schrieb Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>: >> >>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2013, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Am 06.08.2013 um 16:09 schrieb Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Wolfgang, but I was wondering about the standard >>>>> \startnarrower. >>>>> >>>>> Many (some) commands allow setup assignments, the use of which >>>>> overides but does not change the default. This is a very useful >>>>> feature of ConTeXt that suggest could be generalized. >>>>> \startnarrower is but one example. >>>> >>>> Changing the command is simple but I would drop the second >>>> argument when you want to change the left/right etc. values >>>> because you can say “left=4cm” etc. to get the desired margins. >>> >>> startnarrower has a weird interface. Ideally, it should just support >>> keywords: >>> >>> \startnarrower >>> [ >>> leftmargin=..., >>> rightmargin=..., >>> alternative=(left|right|both), >>> spacebefore=...., >>> spaceafter=...., >>> indenting=...., >>> indentnext=...., >>> before=...., >>> after=...., >>> ] >> >> That’s more or less what I use for the “narrow” alternative in the >> annotation module. >> >> I would prefer such a parameter driven narrower environment myself (do >> we even need >> the left, middle and right option when we can set absolute margins) >> but keeping the current >> interface for backwards compatibility make things a little bit ugly. > > Haven't we broken backward compatibility for other environments as well? > \startlinenumbering immediately comes to mind where the MkII interface was > > \startlinenumbering[continue] > > and the current interface is > > \startlinenumbering[continue=yes] > > I, for one, think that it is OK to break backward compatibility for more > elegance and consistency. \startnarrower with its interface is one of the oldest commands which also means that it's used in our styles however, we already have \startnarrow and i extended that one to accept a few more combinations: \showframe \definenarrower[whatever][left=3cm,right=2cm,default=left] \starttext \input ward \startnarrower[2*left] \input ward \stopnarrower \input ward \startnarrow[whatever] \input ward \stopnarrow \input ward \startnarrow[whatever][right] \input ward \stopnarrow \input ward \startnarrow[whatever][default=middle] \input ward \stopnarrow \input ward \startnarrow[whatever][default=middle,middle=-1cm] \input ward \stopnarrow \input ward \startnarrow[default=middle] \input ward \stopnarrow \input ward \stoptext ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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