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Hi,

I've read in the wiki (https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Widows_and_orphans_co=
ntrol) that this setting can be used to keep at least two lines together:

\startsetups[grid][mypenalties]
    \setdefaultpenalties
    \setpenalties\widowpenalties{2}{10000}
    \setpenalties\clubpenalties {2}{10000}
\stopsetups

After experimenting with the first argument (see below) it looks to me as i=
f the wording on the wiki should be changed a bit, from <Example how to kee=
p at least 2 lines together> to <Example how to keep at least 2 full lines =
together> (penalties1 gives me one full line and a second line that is almo=
st full ; penalties2 results in two full lines with a third line that is al=
most full.).

Is my interpretation correct?

Denis

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\setupalign[line]

\showframe

\startsetups[penalties1]
    \setdefaultpenalties
    \setpenalties\widowpenalties{1}{10000}
\stopsetups

\startsetups[penalties2]
    \setdefaultpenalties
    \setpenalties\widowpenalties{2}{10000}
\stopsetups

\starttext

\setuplayout[setups=3Dpenalties1]

\samplefile{tufte}\par
Here we are writing some more words to see the effect.
Here we are writing some more words to see the effect.
Here we are writing some more words to see the effect.

\page
\setuplayout[setups=3Dpenalties2]

\samplefile{tufte}\par
Here we are writing some more words to see the effect.
Here we are writing some more words to see the effect.
Here we are writing some more words to see the effect.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">I&#8217;v=
e read in the wiki (<a href=3D"https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Widows_and_or=
phans_control">https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Widows_and_orphans_control</a=
>) that this setting can be used to keep at
 least two lines together:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">\startsetups[grid][mypenalties]=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \setdefaultp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \setpenaltie=
s\widowpenalties{2}{10000}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \setpenaltie=
s\clubpenalties {2}{10000}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">\stopsetups<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">After experimenting with the fi=
rst argument (see below) it looks to me as if the wording on the wiki shoul=
d be changed a bit, from &laquo;Example how to keep at least 2 lines togeth=
er&raquo; to &laquo;Example how to keep at least 2
<b>full</b> lines together&raquo; (penalties1 gives me one full line and a =
second line that is almost full&nbsp;; penalties2 results in two full lines=
 with a third line that is almost full.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">Is my interpretation correct?<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Denis<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\setuppapersize[A6]<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\setuplayout[lines=3D20]<o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\setupalign[line]<o:p></o:p></s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\showframe<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\startsetups[penalties1]<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \setdefaultp=
enalties<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \setpenaltie=
s\widowpenalties{1}{10000}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\stopsetups<o:p></o:p></span></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\startsetups[penalties2]<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \setdefaultp=
enalties<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \setpenaltie=
s\widowpenalties{2}{10000}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\stopsetups<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\starttext<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\setuplayout[setups=3Dpenalties=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">\samplefile{tufte}\par&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here we are writing some more words to see the effec=
t.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here we are writing some more words to see the effec=
t.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here we are writing some more words to see the effec=
t.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\page<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\setuplayout[setups=3Dpenalties=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR-CH">\samplefile{tufte}\par&nbsp;&nb=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here we are writing some more words to see the effec=
t.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here we are writing some more words to see the effec=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here we are writing some more words to see the effec=
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