From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/23731 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Otared KAVIAN Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: beginners manual Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:29:47 +0100 Message-ID: <3cb063a60511241429h1ed51589y9b4bd7e40f415a3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <43824445.4000905@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1132871449 24804 80.91.229.2 (24 Nov 2005 22:30:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Nov 24 23:30:48 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EfPbI-0001Do-B3 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:29:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D1B1286B; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:29:55 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23578-03-5; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:29:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CC112866; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:29:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C3E12866 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:29:48 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23578-03-4 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:29:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.203]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7161284D for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:29:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so118061nfe for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:29:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ofCm9TrKE3ovarGgoXsl1eZiS9aMkAJ6a2IebAqSVR1rFgeJEEoVbHArrQTJ+H4m12dyiW6gebBkeSNMfM1uRJmYksQbdVaplNTCzIhEF7AsH53JkJi1JPbSYZKgIg26xEFXzY2Y3XRka6zLVAsGb0103LbCH0mMM8IgG9srPD4= Original-Received: by 10.48.4.10 with SMTP id 10mr149799nfd; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:29:47 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.48.127.15 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:29:47 -0800 (PST) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:23731 Archived-At: Hi Hans, Thank you for your great work. Regarding the beginners manual your are going to update, I have two or three suggestions. To begin with, I think we should designate a volunteer group of people on this list to do some tasks in "parallel": 1) Since the installation of ConTeXt seems to be not so easy for everyone, we should have at least three subgroups of people experimenting, and then explaining, how to install and update ConTeXt on Linux, Windows, MacOS X. Once each subgroup has carried out the experimentation of the "How to..." instructions, they would send them to you so that you can include them in the Beginners Manual (abbreviated BM in the sequel...). It is important to include in each subgroup a "wizard" and an "amateur beginner": otherwise the "How to..." instructions may result in something not really usable by real beginners. For my part I am volunteering to be a (rather dumb...) beginner regarding installation on MacOS X, and its use with XeTeX. The same observation applies for the use of ConTeXt with non roman languages under various operating systems. 2) We should divide the BM in $n$ parts ($n \geq 2$... but maybe $n=3D10 $) and designate one or two individuals for each part to test ALL the codes and examples you give in the BM to make sure that they work fine with a "basic" install of ConTeXt. 3) Two great features of ConTeXt are its versatility regarding Metapost and presentations. In the BM these features should be presented in a transparent way, since most beginners would not have the patience or the technical knowledge of going through the source files. Best regards: OK On 21 nov. 2005, at 23:03, Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm going to clean up the beginners manual (at least the source > code) so i think this s a good moment to pick up the 'translation' > thread > > So the question is: > > - what can go out > - what should go in > - what should be updated > > as well as: > > - who will participate (in translation) > - how to deal with localization (maybe dedicated language related > chapters) > > Hans