From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/21433 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brooks Moses Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: "Escaping" tabulate Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:00:33 -0700 Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20050717125416.01764ed8@cits1.stanford.edu> References: <42DAA4DF.4000500@creutzig.de> <42D66D7F.9080207@mail.ru> <91CFE71B-D646-4D03-A382-F8652DBF3F16@fiee.net> <42D795B4.9050001@mail.ru> <42D7C01B.9030908@wxs.nl> <42D7E09F.4070008@mail.ru> <42D7F05B.8070908@mail.ru> <42DAA4DF.4000500@creutzig.de> <42DAAFBE.8040009@mail.ru> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1121630490 31222 80.91.229.2 (17 Jul 2005 20:01:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Jul 17 22:01:29 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DuFJb-000120-VS for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:00:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB819127F8; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:00:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22825-02-3; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:00:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AACC127BD; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:00:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC53127BD for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22825-02-2 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.16.125]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DF2127BC for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:00:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mindolluin.stanford.edu (DNab42a41d.Stanford.EDU [171.66.164.29]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6HK0Xd4012877 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:00:34 -0700 X-Sender: brooks@cits1.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <42DAAFBE.8040009@mail.ru> Original-References: <42DAA4DF.4000500@creutzig.de> <42D66D7F.9080207@mail.ru> <91CFE71B-D646-4D03-A382-F8652DBF3F16@fiee.net> <42D795B4.9050001@mail.ru> <42D7C01B.9030908@wxs.nl> <42D7E09F.4070008@mail.ru> <42D7F05B.8070908@mail.ru> <42DAA4DF.4000500@creutzig.de> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on smtp.ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:21433 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:21433 At 12:21 PM 7/17/2005, Radhelorn wrote: >Christopher Creutzig wrote: >> I believe in ConTeXt you'd usually(?) use \start and \stop instead of >> \bgroup and \egroup, though. What do the experts say about this? > >I've seen \start \stop pairs in some examples, but there are so many of >them in sources that I can not find their definition. Doing a \show\start in a document finds a definition for \start as \docomplexorsimple \complexstart \simplestart; grepping for 'def\\complexstart' (the \\ being the shell escape for \) finds the definition of that in core-sys.tex. In any case, \start expands (in a somewhat complex way to \bgroup, while \start[] appears to expand to \startsomething. \stop does something similar. Given this, I don't think there's any reason not to use \bgroup and \egroup if that's what you mean. - Brooks