* when trying to setup Arial fonts...
@ 2004-06-22 14:05 jimarin
[not found] ` <m2pt7rljz f.fsf@levana.de>
2004-06-22 14:56 ` Patrick Gundlach
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: jimarin @ 2004-06-22 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi all,
I am trying to setup Arial fonts...I am quite a newbie to this ConTeXt
thing...
Once Willi told me to use:
>Hi Jose
>
>use
>
>\usetypescript[helvetica][\defaultencoding]
>\setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt]
>
>Success!
>
>Willi
I have just done \setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt] cause
\usetypescript apparently is not recognised in my ConTeXt (previous
version to the latest update of these days)
what is the use of this \usetypescript thing?
is Arial just a nickname for Helvetica sans-serif?
cheers !
Jose Ignacio
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* Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts... 2004-06-22 14:05 when trying to setup Arial fonts jimarin [not found] ` <m2pt7rljz f.fsf@levana.de> @ 2004-06-22 14:56 ` Patrick Gundlach 2004-06-22 15:35 ` jimarin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-22 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello Jose, > I am trying to setup Arial fonts...I am quite a newbie to this ConTeXt > thing... > > I have just done \setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt] cause > > \usetypescript apparently is not recognised in my ConTeXt (previous > version to the latest update of these days) \usetypescript is an old command. Your ConTeXt surely knows about this command. > what is the use of this \usetypescript thing? Well, typescripts are complicated. See Bill' page at http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html using Helvetica works for me: -------------------------------------------------- \usetypescript [adobekb][\defaultencoding] \usetypescript [postscript][\defaultencoding] \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] \starttext foo \stoptext -------------------------------------------------- > is Arial just a nickname for Helvetica sans-serif? Well, yes and no. There is no such thing as Helvetica sans-serif, because Helvetica *is* without serifs. And Arial and Helvetica are two different fonts, though similar looking and same metrics. But, depending on your setup, asking for Helvetica can result in using Arial in Acrobat Reader. Patrick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts... 2004-06-22 14:56 ` Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-22 15:35 ` jimarin 2004-06-22 15:46 ` Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: jimarin @ 2004-06-22 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply... hmmm, I tried your code but I get a funny message. The thing is that I suspect I am lacking some files... *********************** ... ... many things here...at the end crashes because... ... typescript : [map] [ec] [] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex))kpathsea: Running mktextfm ec-u hvr8a /usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source abbreviation for ec-uhvr8 a. /usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ? mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; inpu t ec-uhvr8a This is METAFONT, Version 2.7182 (Web2C 7.4.5) kpathsea: Running mktexmf ec-uhvr8a ! I can't find file `ec-uhvr8a'. <*> ...jfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uhvr8a Please type another input file name ! Emergency stop. <*> ...jfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uhvr8a Transcript written on mfput.log. mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uh vr8a' failed. kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log. ! Font \*12ptsstf*=ec-uhvr8a at 12.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not foun d. <to be read again> \relax \xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier \let \localrelativefontsiz... \fontstrategy ...ame #1\csname #2#3#4#5\endcsname \tryingfontfalse \fi <inserted text> ...yle \fontalternative \fontsize \fi \iftryingfont \fontstr... \synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies \relax \fi \ifskipfontchar... <argument> \getvalue {\@style@ \fontstyle } \edef \fontstyle {\fontstyle }\if... ... l.3 \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] ? ******************************** I think something is not ok in my configuration...perhaps I don´t have the whole font set...I am running the TeX that comes wrapped with cygwin...and ConTeXt on top of it... any clue? Jose > Hello Jose, > > >> I am trying to setup Arial fonts...I am quite a newbie to this ConTeXt >> thing... > >> >> I have just done \setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss,12pt] cause >> >> \usetypescript apparently is not recognised in my ConTeXt (previous >> version to the latest update of these days) > > \usetypescript is an old command. Your ConTeXt surely knows about > this command. > >> what is the use of this \usetypescript thing? > > Well, typescripts are complicated. See Bill' page at > http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html > > using Helvetica works for me: > -------------------------------------------------- > \usetypescript [adobekb][\defaultencoding] > \usetypescript [postscript][\defaultencoding] > \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] > > \starttext > foo > \stoptext > -------------------------------------------------- > > >> is Arial just a nickname for Helvetica sans-serif? > > Well, yes and no. > > There is no such thing as Helvetica sans-serif, because Helvetica > *is* without serifs. And Arial and Helvetica are two different fonts, > though similar looking and same metrics. But, depending on your > setup, asking for Helvetica can result in using Arial in Acrobat > Reader. > > Patrick > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts... 2004-06-22 15:35 ` jimarin @ 2004-06-22 15:46 ` Patrick Gundlach 2004-06-22 20:21 ` jimarin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-22 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello, > thanks for your reply... > > hmmm, I tried your code but I get a funny message. > > The thing is that I suspect I am lacking some files... Try \usetypescript [adobekb][ec] \usetypescript [postscript][ec] \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] \starttext foo \stoptext How old is your ConTeXt? What TeX system do you have? Make sure that ther is a line in your logfile like: fonts : [adobekb] [ec] [] If this does not appear, post your complete logfile. Patrick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts... 2004-06-22 15:46 ` Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-22 20:21 ` jimarin 2004-06-23 8:23 ` Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: jimarin @ 2004-06-22 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 724 bytes --] Hello there, I have tried > Try > > \usetypescript [adobekb][ec] > \usetypescript [postscript][ec] > \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] > > \starttext > foo > \stoptext > > How old is your ConTeXt? What TeX system do you have? > > Make sure that ther is a line in your logfile like: > > fonts : [adobekb] [ec] [] > > If this does not appear, post your complete logfile. > > Patrick the line appears but the command fails my ConTeXt is the latest...just downloaded my TeX is the one that comes bundled with cygwin: This is TeXk, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.4.5) also This is METAFONT, Version 2.7182 (Web2C 7.4.5) the poor thing says that it cannot make: mktextfm ec-uhvr8a I enclose the output thanks ! Jose [-- Attachment #2: output.txt --] [-- Type: text/plain, Size: 10036 bytes --] TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 executable : pdfetex format : cont-en inputfile : new output : pdftex interface : en current mode : none TeX run : 1 This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5) \write18 enabled. %&-line parsing enabled. entering extended mode (./new.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg} ConTeXt ver: 2004.6.21 fmt: 2004.6.22 int: english mes: english language : language en is active <protectionstate 0> system : cont-new loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex! color : palette rollover is available system (E-TEX) : [line 578] system (E-TEX) : [line 633] ) system : cont-old loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex loading : Context Old Macros ) system : cont-fil loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex loading : Context File Synonyms ) bodyfont : 12pt rm is loaded language : patterns 2:2-es-2 3:2-en-2 4:2-uk-2 5:2-de-2 6:2-fr-2 7:2-it-2 8:2-nl-2 loaded specials : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded system : new.top loaded (./new.top specials : loading definition file tpd (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex specials : loading definition file fdf (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex <unprotect 3> <unprotect 4> system (E-TEX) : [line 2270] \ifcsname <protect 4> <protect 3>) specials : fdf loaded <unprotect 3> <protect 3>) specials : fdf,tpd loaded ) fonts : [adobekb] [ec] [] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [postscript] [ec] [] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex fonts : [postscript] [rm] [serif] [times] / ec fonts : [map] [ec] [] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [serif,map] [times] [name,default,ec,special] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [serif] [default] [size] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [postscript] [mm] [math] [times] / ec fonts : [map] [ec] [] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [math,map] [times] [name,default,ec,special] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [math] [default] [size] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [postscript] [ss] [sans] [helvetica] / ec fonts : [map] [ec] [] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [sans,map] [helvetica] [name,default,ec,special] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [sans] [default] [size] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [postscript] [tt] [mono] [courier] / ec fonts : [map] [ec] [] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [mono,map] [courier] [name,default,ec,special] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [mono] [default] [size] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-pre.tex fonts : [serif] [times] [name,ec] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [sans] [helvetica] [name,ec] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [mono] [courier] [name,ec] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [serif,sans,mono] [default] [size] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) fonts : [all] [times,helvetica,courier] [ec] (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex))kpathsea: Running mktextfm ec-uhvr8a /usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source abbreviation for ec-uhvr8a. /usr/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update ? mktextfm: Running mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uhvr8a This is METAFONT, Version 2.7182 (Web2C 7.4.5) kpathsea: Running mktexmf ec-uhvr8a ! I can't find file `ec-uhvr8a'. <*> ...jfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uhvr8a Please type another input file name ! Emergency stop. <*> ...jfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uhvr8a Transcript written on mfput.log. mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ec-uhvr8a' failed. kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log. ! Font \*12ptsstf*=ec-uhvr8a at 12.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not foun d. <to be read again> \relax \xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier \let \localrelativefontsiz... \fontstrategy ...ame #1\csname #2#3#4#5\endcsname \tryingfontfalse \fi <inserted text> ...yle \fontalternative \fontsize \fi \iftryingfont \fontstr... \synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies \relax \fi \ifskipfontchar... <argument> \getvalue {\@style@ \fontstyle } \edef \fontstyle {\fontstyle }\if... ... l.3 \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] ? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts... 2004-06-22 20:21 ` jimarin @ 2004-06-23 8:23 ` Patrick Gundlach 2004-06-23 8:50 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-23 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi, >> \usetypescript [adobekb][ec] >> \usetypescript [postscript][ec] >> \setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] >> >> \starttext >> foo >> \stoptext [ failed with message like ec-uhvr8a not found ] The ConTeXt was too old. It did not have the type-akb.tex file and so the filenames did not get mapped to the standard names. Why does a missing typescript not produce any error message? Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts... 2004-06-23 8:23 ` Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-23 8:50 ` Hans Hagen 2004-06-23 9:04 ` Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-23 8:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Patrick Gundlach wrote: >Hi, > > > > >>>\usetypescript [adobekb][ec] >>>\usetypescript [postscript][ec] >>>\setupbodyfont[pos,ss,12pt] >>> >>>\starttext >>>foo >>>\stoptext >>> >>> > >[ failed with message like ec-uhvr8a not found ] > >The ConTeXt was too old. It did not have the type-akb.tex file and >so the filenames did not get mapped to the standard names. > >Why does a missing typescript not produce any error message? > > because then you would ask how to turn off all those messages, add \tracetypescriptstrue to cont-sys.tex and you'll have tons of messages -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts... 2004-06-23 8:50 ` Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-23 9:04 ` Patrick Gundlach 2004-06-23 10:39 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-23 9:04 UTC (permalink / raw) [...] > because then you would ask how to turn off all those messages, add > \tracetypescriptstrue to cont-sys.tex and you'll have tons of messages > -) you should have warned me before, I have no space on my harddisk left anymore ;-) Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: when trying to setup Arial fonts... 2004-06-23 9:04 ` Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-23 10:39 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-23 10:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Patrick Gundlach wrote: >[...] > > > >>because then you would ask how to turn off all those messages, add >>\tracetypescriptstrue to cont-sys.tex and you'll have tons of messages >>-) >> >> > >you should have warned me before, I have no space on my harddisk left >anymore ;-) > > in that case, \tracingall is your friend -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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