From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/15860 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: more footnotes:-) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:24 +0200 Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Message-ID: <4108AB50.3030403@wxs.nl> References: <410D9171@webmail.colostate.edu> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1091087201 8165 80.91.224.253 (29 Jul 2004 07:46:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Jul 29 09:46:32 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bq5cW-000640-00 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A321278B; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22770-06; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0379712777; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561E712777 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22902-02 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailrelay01.solcon.nl (unknown [212.45.32.200]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B432A126F8 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from server-1.pragma-net.nl (dsl-212-84-128-085.solcon.nl [212.84.128.85]) by mailrelay01.solcon.nl (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6T7kOSM001755; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:24 +0200 Original-Received: by server-1.pragma-net.nl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9F8521A626; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:46:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.191] (unknown [10.100.1.191]) by server-1.pragma-net.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A64917B1A; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:46:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: ishamid , c In-Reply-To: <410D9171@webmail.colostate.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75, clamav-milter version 0.75 on mailrelay01 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:15860 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:15860 ishamid wrote: >[please forward to list] > > >>===== Original Message From Hans Hagen ===== >>% program=aleph output=dvipdfmx >> >>% the next texexec will automatically generate pdf which is handy for >>scit eusers -) >> >>\setupcolors[state=start] >> >>\starttext >> >> > >Ok, here is a modified test file. The headers on pages 1 and 2 should be the >same throughout the entire document. Of course, when I make the temporary >global direction switch, the location of the headers get switched too. My >problem is that I have not been able to create a combination of \setupheaders >and \setuppagenumbering so that I can adjust the headers during the temporary >direction switch so that it appears that the header locations remain constant: > > ... Last night I played a bit with aleph. One of the things that we need to keep in mind with omega is that the fact that it can typeset in multiple directions does not mean that this automatically works out well when turned on. Layout issues as well as language specific issues are up to macro packages. Omega is not a multi language or multi directional typesetting system by itself, but can be used to build one. Now, before we start hacking around, and thereby mess up context, we need to figure out a way to deal with these issues, so the main question is how directional typesetting is related to document design. - directions change per paragraph, rest of doc unchanged - directions change per document, all components are influenced - directions change per document, some components are influenced - etc so, what should happen with - page ornaments (headers, footers etc): locations and content - graphics: placements and content and captions - tables: structure and content - mp graphic: text and graphics - main text: indentation, skips, text, ... Of course one can say that we need to have all possibilities, but i tend to stick to those that make sense. Are there any resources on for instance right-left book design/typography? I don't know how many users are interested in these matters; maybe we should discuss this off list Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------