From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41683 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Thomas A. Schmitz" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: distro info Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:36:42 +0200 Message-ID: <419D4660-C51A-48CA-8AFD-3B24C904B910@uni-bonn.de> References: <6faad9f00806100858m332b0c18w1726368830a29a3c@mail.gmail.com> <46D24799-264A-4AFE-9089-A63F4226985C@mpq.mpg.de> <8687593C-CFC0-4F6A-9EA2-091FC7CBB2CC@di.unito.it> <6faad9f00806110905q32b9c142t6af44f2edf85adbf@mail.gmail.com> <4F0FF6A1-CBA4-455D-80A5-785E59607044@di.unito.it> <181B45FF-223C-4CBB-8909-F4C9BB2E0C5B@fiee.net> <653FF68A-0886-4ECA-A87C-36D95138437A@uni-bonn.de> <9B5FE926-1E34-481E-81F6-847DEDA46FB7@di.unito.it> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213465101 21474 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2008 17:38:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:38:21 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Jun 14 19:39:05 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7ZiQ-0006Og-FS for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:39:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643951FDCF; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:38:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23565-05-3; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:37:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5078C1FD08; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:37:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118D21FD08 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:37:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23612-02-5 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:36:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailout03.t-online.de (mailout03.t-online.de [194.25.134.81]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6B51FCFF for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:36:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1K7ZgF-0008Dd-03; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:36:47 +0200 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (XBVS9sZUohWEOvwLbxkJqaYY8LcqV7CpqwmNT3RhyLCFAplqNfb2nN10hZib7nsgJp@[87.178.80.254]) by fwd33.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1K7ZgB-2HLgg40; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:36:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9B5FE926-1E34-481E-81F6-847DEDA46FB7@di.unito.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-ID: XBVS9sZUohWEOvwLbxkJqaYY8LcqV7CpqwmNT3RhyLCFAplqNfb2nN10hZib7nsgJp@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 32c9ad79-7f57-4172-97d3-d3e0fbdb4d5c X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41683 Archived-At: On Jun 14, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Andrea Valle wrote: > Thomas, I do not know what Oliver is actually doing. > But just 2c: > - suppose you have a ConTeXt distro (the minimal) inside a mac app. > At the end a mac app is typically a folder containing different > programs/libraries etc > - suppose you are provided inside the app of an editor (say, > TeXShop) already configured to read in the app's folder. > > In sum, you have a TeXShop ready to go for the ConTeXt in the app. > > Then, you have a context distro working out of the box. > It can be installed easily. You have always worked with Word and you > want to try to work with ConTeXt? Download, drag and drop, open. > There shouldn't been configuration problems (they have been solved > while creating the installer). > If there are bugs depending on ConTeXt, as usual in case of an app, > the user has to wait for a next release of the app including the new > ConTeXt version. > (with a bit more expertise, maybe you can simply replace the right > folder inside the mac app) > This is indeed a limit, but the previous points can be pros for > another user. > Andrea, I can see what you want, and from your POV, this is a reasonable demand. But allow me to explain why I see quite a few obstacles: 1. ConTeXt is cross-platform, so you'd need someone to take care and prepare this for widnoze and linux as well. 2. More importantly: yes, a self-contained app would work. But what if your user wants to use a different font? What if (s)he wants to use a third-party module or package such as tikz? bibtex? What it boils down to, of course, is how you want to use your computer. You're right: a mac application is nothing but a couple of directories with files and binaries etc. So in theory, you could have a minimal ConTeXt in such a bundle. But it would be a nightmare to maintain, to add stuff, to make it cohabitate with other packages. One bundle that does just what you like is lilypond. A wonderful typesetting application, all in one installer, not complex to install. It has been broken on intel mac for half a year now. Nobody has the knowledge or the time or the energy to fix it. Result? No lilypond for intel mac users. You know, I cannot stress too much how intensely I prefer my TeX installation. When something goes wrong, I can look under the hood, find documentation, configuration files, I can upgrade etc. I prefer to be able to change the lightbulbs in my house myself, and not wait for somebody to release house 1.1 with all new and improved lightbulbs. So I hope you see why I don't think a GUI installer is such a good idea. Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________