patterns

patterns

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

In order to get rid of the pattern problems (no consistency in internals, funny 
names, changing locations, changing names, etc) I decided to provide the option 
to use context 'specific' pattern files, although ... the pattern files have 
become quite generic and encoding independent.

For those willing to test, i uploaded a new alpha version. In order to use the 
new method you need to generate the pattern files in a path known to tex.

   ctxtools --patterns all   (or a language code instead)
   texexec --make --all

The pattern files use symbolic names instead of encoding specific characters or 
tex commands. Because pattern files are often encoding specific, loading a 
pattern file multiple times could be tricky. The generated files can be loaded 
for any encoding that provides the named glyphs (i.e. maps onto numbers).

[As a joke, i also provide the option to let those pattern files be coded in xml.]

In principle, the files can be used in e.g. plain tex as well, for more details 
see the new (preliminary) manual mpattern.pdf

Btw, I still have to do the cyrillic languages. if you think that for your 
language a multiple encodings should be preloaded ... let me know. Also, the 
manual has room for language specific information, char tables etc

Hans

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Re: patterns

[Willi Egger]

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Hi Hans,

I set up a minimal Context with the mswintex.zip. The included Context 
was updated with the latest alpha cont-tmf.zip.

After running mktexlsr I started texmfstart cxtools --patternfiles all
in the alpha-context/tex directory. All pat and hyp files where then 
transferred into a new directory ..\texmf-local\pattern. Again mktexlsr 
was run.

Next texexec --make en de nl metafun mptopdf was run.
During preparation of the en-format there came the following error:
(see attached log file)
...

language        : patterns cz for cz loaded (n=13,e=il2,m=il2)
(c:\ALPHA-~1\tex\texmf/tex/csplain/czhyphen.tex
! Undefined control sequence.
l.36 .a4d\'e

?
! Undefined control sequence.
l.47 .a4r\'a

?
! Undefined control sequence.
l.73 .d4v\'i

....

After breaking this step with x the construction of the other fmt-files 
went without errors.

I know, that I am doing things, which I am unable to understand 
completely. Still I wonder what the problem is.

Willi

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In order to get rid of the pattern problems (no consistency in 
> internals, funny names, changing locations, changing names, etc) I 
> decided to provide the option to use context 'specific' pattern files, 
> although ... the pattern files have become quite generic and encoding 
> independent.
> 
> For those willing to test, i uploaded a new alpha version. In order to 
> use the new method you need to generate the pattern files in a path 
> known to tex.
> 
>   ctxtools --patterns all   (or a language code instead)
>   texexec --make --all
> 
> The pattern files use symbolic names instead of encoding specific 
> characters or tex commands. Because pattern files are often encoding 
> specific, loading a pattern file multiple times could be tricky. The 
> generated files can be loaded for any encoding that provides the named 
> glyphs (i.e. maps onto numbers).
> 
> [As a joke, i also provide the option to let those pattern files be 
> coded in xml.]
> 
> In principle, the files can be used in e.g. plain tex as well, for more 
> details see the new (preliminary) manual mpattern.pdf
> 
> Btw, I still have to do the cyrillic languages. if you think that for 
> your language a multiple encodings should be preloaded ... let me know. 
> Also, the manual has room for language specific information, char tables 
> etc
> 
> Hans
> 
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>                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
>               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
>      tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
>                                              | www.pragma-pod.nl
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Re: patterns

[Hans Hagen]

Willi Egger wrote:

> After running mktexlsr I started texmfstart cxtools --patternfiles all
> in the alpha-context/tex directory. All pat and hyp files where then 
> transferred into a new directory ..\texmf-local\pattern. Again mktexlsr 
> was run.

texmf-local\pattern is not in the searchpath, so either put in in base or in 
parallel, like in:

texmf-local\tex\context\patterns

> language        : patterns cz for cz loaded (n=13,e=il2,m=il2)
> (c:\ALPHA-~1\tex\texmf/tex/csplain/czhyphen.tex
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> l.36 .a4d\'e

i'm a bit puzzled, because the old system should still work; maybe some mix up; 
anyway, the czech patterns are kind of special because they are in the wrong 
location in the texmf tree (czech patterns are a persistent problem, politics 
involved and such)

> I know, that I am doing things, which I am unable to understand 
> completely. Still I wonder what the problem is.

Hans

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Re: patterns

[Hans Hagen]

Willi Egger wrote:

> After running mktexlsr I started texmfstart cxtools --patternfiles all
> in the alpha-context/tex directory. All pat and hyp files where then 
> transferred into a new directory ..\texmf-local\pattern. Again mktexlsr 
> was run.

btw, i just made a more clever loader (fallbacks and such); will upload later

Hans

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patterns

[Hans Hagen Outside]

Hi,

The last few years we have encountered problems with changes in pattern 
files and names (dutch was dropped, czech was invalid, and us filenames 
also changed in undocumented ways). To get a bit more control over this 
can of worms, we need a test file that can be added to the tex live test 
suite.

So, what i need is for each language a couple of words that hyphenate in 
unique ways (i.e. they must hyphenate differently than related languages)

\language[xx] \hyphenatedword{..}

can be used to test


Hans


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Re: patterns

[Taco Hoekwater]

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:36:43 +0200, Hans wrote:

> So, what i need is for each language a couple of words that hyphenate in 
> unique ways (i.e. they must hyphenate differently than related languages)

  \language[nl]  \hyphenatedword{bijeenkomst}

should do the trick for dutch, i hope "bij-een-komst".


-- 
groeten,

Taco

Re: patterns

[Vit Zyka]

Hans Hagen Outside wrote:

> So, what i need is for each language a couple of words that hyphenate in 
> unique ways (i.e. they must hyphenate differently than related languages)
> 
> \language[xx] \hyphenatedword{..}

Sorry, Hans, I do not understand properly. You want the words
1) that are the same in some languages, but with different hyphenation
2) that are wrongly hyphenated using standard hyphen-pattern for 
appropriate language
3) that are wrongly hyphenated using default (english?) hyphen-pattern
    (e.g. using Czech without \language[cz] and cont-cz format).

Vit Zyka

Re: patterns

[Hans Hagen]

Vit Zyka wrote:

> Hans Hagen Outside wrote:
>
>> So, what i need is for each language a couple of words that hyphenate 
>> in unique ways (i.e. they must hyphenate differently than related 
>> languages)
>>
>> \language[xx] \hyphenatedword{..}
>
>
> Sorry, Hans, I do not understand properly. You want the words
> 1) that are the same in some languages, but with different hyphenation

indeed, words that are hyphenated correctly, so that they cna be used to
verify tex live, so in your case some ten words that you'd like to see
hyphenated ok in czech

Karl Berry  is setting up a sort of test bed so that changes in patterns
and filenames of pattern files will not go unnoticed; so what we need is
a sort of reference hyphenation.

(the reason is that the last couple of tex lives we've been surprised
afterwards by changes in names and content of 'generic' pattern files)

(maybe this is something to add to the wiki)

Hans

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Re: patterns

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans Hagen said this at Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:13:54 +0200:

>>> So, what i need is for each language a couple of words that hyphenate 
>>> in unique ways (i.e. they must hyphenate differently than related 
>>> languages)

This may be old news, but a quick Google turned up this TUGBoat on US vs UK:
<http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/Articles/tb16-1/tb46hyf.pdf>

Perhaps other germanic-family writers will recognise words that are
different yet again in dutch or german.

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Re: patterns

[Vit Zyka]

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Sorry, Hans

for being so late with answer. But I got your reply just at beginning of 
this week due to spam filtres.

The list of 10 czech word with hyphenation is here (they are also in the 
zipped attachement not to disturb encoding):

au-to-ma-tic-ký
bram-bo-rák
da-ta-bá-ze
kr-ka-vec
Kro-mì-øí¾
ob-hos-po-da-øo-vat
Øem-dich
scvrk-nout
za-les-nit
®e-¾u-liè-ka

But during making tests I discover some weird behaviour. See test code:
-----------
\starttext
\language[cz]
\hyphenatedpar{obhospodaøovat obhospodaøovat zalesnit ®e¾ulièka Øemdich 
krkavec scvrknout bramborák Kromìøí¾ automatický databáze}
\hyphenatedword{obhospodaøovat}
\stoptext
----------
1) All spaces inside \hyphenatedpar are discarded.
2) The first word inside is not marked by hyphens.
3) The word inside \hyphenatedword is not marked too.

For English the marking is OK inside both \hyphenatedpar and 
\hyphenatedword.

Vit Zyka

> Vit Zyka wrote:
> 
>> Hans Hagen Outside wrote:
>>
>>> So, what i need is for each language a couple of words that hyphenate 
>>> in unique ways (i.e. they must hyphenate differently than related 
>>> languages)
>>>
>>> \language[xx] \hyphenatedword{..}
>>
>> Sorry, Hans, I do not understand properly. You want the words
>> 1) that are the same in some languages, but with different hyphenation
> 
> 
> indeed, words that are hyphenated correctly, so that they cna be used to
> verify tex live, so in your case some ten words that you'd like to see
> hyphenated ok in czech
> 
> Karl Berry  is setting up a sort of test bed so that changes in patterns
> and filenames of pattern files will not go unnoticed; so what we need is
> a sort of reference hyphenation.
> 
> (the reason is that the last couple of tex lives we've been surprised
> afterwards by changes in names and content of 'generic' pattern files)
> 
> (maybe this is something to add to the wiki)
> 
> Hans
> 
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