* Re: imposition for a pdf file
@ 2005-03-16 12:48 Ciro A. Soto
2005-03-16 13:22 ` luigi.scarso
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From: Ciro A. Soto @ 2005-03-16 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
Thank you Luigi,
but where is the pdf file input in your instructions?
remember, i don't have the tex file, only the pdf
file.
ciro
--- "luigi.scarso" <luigi.scarso@logosrl.it> wrote:
---------------------------------
Ciro A. Soto wrote:
I have a pdf file with 660 letter-size pages.I would
like to save toner in my printer byprinting 2 or 4
pages in one single sheet of paper.Is it possible to
do this with context?or any other
alternative?Remember, I don't have the source file,
only the pdffile.thank
youCiro_______________________________________________ntg-context
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As usually, not a direct answer...
Play with these script
%%
%% save it as test.tex
%%
\setupcolors[state=start]
\starttext
\dorecurse{660}%
{\startTEXpage[width=3cm,height=2cm]
\vbox to \vsize{\vss
\hbox
to\hsize{\hss\framed[width=2cm,align={middle,lohi},background=color,backgroundcolor=green]{p.\tfd\recurselevel}\hss}\vss}
\stopTEXpage}
\stoptext
%%
%% save as my-imp.tex
%%
%% \setuplayout here
\starttext
\centerline{%
\externalfigure[test][page=1]
\externalfigure[test][page=3]
\externalfigure[test][page=5]
\externalfigure[test][page=7]
\externalfigure[test][page=9]
\externalfigure[test][page=11]
}
\blank[1cm]
\centerline{%
\externalfigure[test][page=2]
\externalfigure[test][page=4]
\externalfigure[test][page=6]
\externalfigure[test][page=8]
\externalfigure[test][page=10]
\externalfigure[test][page=12]
}
\stoptext
(you can create my-imp.tex by a script and choosing
theappropriate number
for page=...., also use \setuplayoutetc..)
Also look for \setuparranging.
luigi
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2005-03-16 12:48 imposition for a pdf file Ciro A. Soto
@ 2005-03-16 13:22 ` luigi.scarso
2005-03-16 13:45 ` Hans Hagen
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* Re: imposition for a pdf file
2005-03-16 13:22 ` luigi.scarso
@ 2005-03-16 13:45 ` Hans Hagen
2005-03-17 10:44 ` luigi.scarso
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-03-16 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
luigi.scarso wrote:
> Sorry ciro, but i like write tex code.
>
> 1. save following code as test.tex
in page-imp are some additional inclusion macros -)
> \centerline{%
> \externalfigure[test][page=1]
> \externalfigure[test][page=3]
> \externalfigure[test][page=5]
> \externalfigure[test][page=7]
> \externalfigure[test][page=9]
> \externalfigure[test][page=11]
> }
shorter
\centerline
{\dostepwiserecurse{1}{11}{2}
{\expanded{\externalfigure[test][page=\recurselevel]}}}
Hans
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2005-03-16 13:45 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-03-17 10:44 ` luigi.scarso
2005-03-17 13:15 ` Hans Hagen
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From: luigi.scarso @ 2005-03-17 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> in page-imp are some additional inclusion macros -)
>
Yes, i have seen some of them.
I have a problem about stickers and imposition;
i try to use/modify some of this macros for pagearrangement, but i
consume all
tex memory.
Actually i have found a dirty solution using perl and sort; as soon as
possible
i will post some code.
> shorter
>
> \centerline
> {\dostepwiserecurse{1}{11}{2}
> {\expanded{\externalfigure[test][page=\recurselevel]}}}
Yes, syst-ext. and others syst-.
I try to made a pdf-collection of useful module like syst-*, page-*
core-box, supp-box, some module for fonts (open issue: turkish....), etc.
(last entry: \startsetups in core-new..)
In my head, i call this collection
"context-foundation: core macros for context programmers"
If you have some suggestions..... |)
Also, i know some books/resources for tex programmers:
(always The Book first :) )
texbytopic.pdf,
cseq.html,
The Advanced TEXBook (seem good; maybe i will buy it)
etex-man.pdf
Again, if you have some others...
luigi
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2005-03-17 10:44 ` luigi.scarso
@ 2005-03-17 13:15 ` Hans Hagen
2005-03-17 14:28 ` stickers luigi.scarso
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-03-17 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
luigi.scarso wrote:
> I have a problem about stickers and imposition;
there's a special x/y one for stickers
> Yes, syst-ext. and others syst-.
> I try to made a pdf-collection of useful module like syst-*, page-*
> core-box, supp-box, some module for fonts (open issue: turkish....), etc.
> (last entry: \startsetups in core-new..)
>
> In my head, i call this collection
> "context-foundation: core macros for context programmers"
this is what taco/patrick call the api (so ... how about joining the api-team)
> If you have some suggestions..... |)
>
> Also, i know some books/resources for tex programmers:
> (always The Book first :) )
indeed, the more you tex, the more you find in it
> texbytopic.pdf,
those are the ones that i use (although i haven't touched them for a long time
now which may be a bad sign)
> cseq.html,
that's indeed a nice one
> The Advanced TEXBook (seem good; maybe i will buy it)
this is a g ood book as well; (david gave a nice few days course for the ntg
long ago so i also have the preprint somewhere)
> etex-man.pdf
> Again, if you have some others...
Beginner's Book of TEX
Seroul, Raymond, Levy, Silvio
1st ed. 1991. Corr. 3rd printing, 1995, XII, 284 pp., Softcover
ISBN: 0-387-97562-4
is a nice one (looking at the cover on the springer page it looks like i have an
old copy);
Hans
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2005-03-17 13:15 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-03-17 14:28 ` luigi.scarso
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From: luigi.scarso @ 2005-03-17 14:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
> luigi.scarso wrote:
>
>> I have a problem about stickers and imposition;
>
>
> there's a special x/y one for stickers
Ok, no code, only an example of the problem.
Let S a pdf with 17 pages;
let S(0) the first page, and S(16) the last page.
Let T the "target pdf" with 8 box which each will cointain an S(j), j=0..16
I draw now a simple schema for an empty pages of T
T(.)
[] [] [] [] [] [] [] []
After 'imposing' , T should be
T(0)
[S(0)] [S(3)] [S(6)] [S(9) ] [S(12)] [S(15)] [] []
T(1)
[S(1)] [S(4)] [S(7)] [S(10)] [S(13)] [S(16)] [] []
T(2)
[S(2)] [S(5)] [S(8)] [S(11)] [S(14)] [] [] []
I call it 'make a pile' .
Now, once we have fixed the number of the box (8 in this examples), give S
we want to make T.
I'have some solutions that use perl/sort, but they are not nice.
> indeed, the more you tex, the more you find in it
yes, but every time i touch it i think "i'm not ready now, maybe
tomorrow....".
Really.
(and i don' want touch Metafont)
luigi
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* Re: imposition for a pdf file
@ 2005-03-16 23:47 Ciro A. Soto
2005-03-17 7:21 ` luigi.scarso
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From: Ciro A. Soto @ 2005-03-16 23:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
I tried Hans' approach. It works fine, but
somehow the pdf file with the 2*2 pages
is corrupted since it does not print well, mostly
garbage.
It looks good on screen though.
I printed one page of the original pdf
and it is fine. So the problem happens in
the imposition step.
any suggestion?
thank you
ciro
--- Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> luigi.scarso wrote:
> > Sorry ciro, but i like write tex code.
> >
> > 1. save following code as test.tex
>
> in page-imp are some additional inclusion macros -)
>
> > \centerline{%
> > \externalfigure[test][page=1]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=3]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=5]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=7]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=9]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=11]
> > }
>
> shorter
>
> \centerline
> {\dostepwiserecurse{1}{11}{2}
>
>
{\expanded{\externalfigure[test][page=\recurselevel]}}}
>
> Hans
>
>
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2005-03-16 23:47 imposition for a pdf file Ciro A. Soto
@ 2005-03-17 7:21 ` luigi.scarso
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From: luigi.scarso @ 2005-03-17 7:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
Ciro A. Soto wrote:
>I tried Hans' approach. It works fine, but
>
>
My "approach" shows a (my) way to manipulate pages
from a source pdf; Hans gives you the exact solutions for your problem.
I hope you have found both useful.
>somehow the pdf file with the 2*2 pages
>is corrupted since it does not print well, mostly
>garbage.
>It looks good on screen though.
>I printed one page of the original pdf
>and it is fine. So the problem happens in
>the imposition step.
>any suggestion?
>thank you
>ciro
>
>
>
Yes, it's strange; without the pdf i can't give you more help.
luigi.
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* Re: imposition for a pdf file
@ 2005-03-16 12:52 Ciro A. Soto
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From: Ciro A. Soto @ 2005-03-16 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
Thank you. This should work.
Ciro
--- Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> luigi.scarso wrote:
> > Ciro A. Soto wrote:
> >
> >>I have a pdf file with 660 letter-size pages.
> >>I would like to save toner in my printer by
> >>printing 2 or 4 pages in one single sheet of
> paper.
> >>
> >>Is it possible to do this with context?
> >>or any other alternative?
> >>
> >>Remember, I don't have the source file, only the
> pdf
> >>file.
> >>
> >>thank you
> >>
> >>Ciro
>
> texexec --pdf --pdfcomb --comb=2*2 manypages.pdf
>
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> >>ntg-context mailing list
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> > As usually, not a direct answer...
> >
> > Play with these script
> > %%
> > %% save it as test.tex
> > %%
> > \setupcolors[state=start]
> > \starttext
> > \dorecurse{660}%
> > {\startTEXpage[width=3cm,height=2cm]
> > \vbox to \vsize{\vss
> > \hbox to
> >
>
\hsize{\hss\framed[width=2cm,align={middle,lohi},background=color,backgroundcolor=green]{p.\tfd\recurselevel}\hss}
>
> > \vss}
> > \stopTEXpage}
> > \stoptext
> >
> > %%
> > %% save as my-imp.tex
> > %%
> > %% \setuplayout here
> > \starttext
> > \centerline{%
> > \externalfigure[test][page=1]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=3]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=5]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=7]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=9]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=11]
> > }
> > \blank[1cm]
> > \centerline{%
> > \externalfigure[test][page=2]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=4]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=6]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=8]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=10]
> > \externalfigure[test][page=12]
> > }
> > \stoptext
> >
> > (you can create my-imp.tex by a script and
> choosing the appropriate number
> > for page=...., also use \setuplayout etc..)
> >
> > Also look for \setuparranging.
> >
> > luigi
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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@ 2005-03-16 2:33 Ciro A. Soto
2005-03-16 8:09 ` luigi.scarso
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From: Ciro A. Soto @ 2005-03-16 2:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
I have a pdf file with 660 letter-size pages.
I would like to save toner in my printer by
printing 2 or 4 pages in one single sheet of paper.
Is it possible to do this with context?
or any other alternative?
Remember, I don't have the source file, only the pdf
file.
thank you
Ciro
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* Re: imposition for a pdf file
2005-03-16 2:33 Ciro A. Soto
@ 2005-03-16 8:09 ` luigi.scarso
2005-03-16 8:58 ` Wolfgang Zillig
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2005-03-16 8:09 ` luigi.scarso
@ 2005-03-16 8:58 ` Wolfgang Zillig
2005-03-16 9:02 ` Hans Hagen
2005-03-17 8:44 ` Albrecht Kauffmann
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From: Wolfgang Zillig @ 2005-03-16 8:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
I think something link
texexec --pdfarra --noduplex --paper=A5A4 --print=2SIDE yourdocument.pdf
should work. There is more information about in the the manual for texexec
www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mtexexec.pdf
Wolfgang
luigi.scarso schrieb:
> Ciro A. Soto wrote:
>
>>I have a pdf file with 660 letter-size pages.
>>I would like to save toner in my printer by
>>printing 2 or 4 pages in one single sheet of paper.
>>
>>Is it possible to do this with context?
>>or any other alternative?
>>
>>Remember, I don't have the source file, only the pdf
>>file.
>>
>>thank you
>>
>>Ciro
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>ntg-context mailing list
>>ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>
>>
>>
> As usually, not a direct answer...
>
> Play with these script
> %%
> %% save it as test.tex
> %%
> \setupcolors[state=start]
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{660}%
> {\startTEXpage[width=3cm,height=2cm]
> \vbox to \vsize{\vss
> \hbox to
> \hsize{\hss\framed[width=2cm,align={middle,lohi},background=color,backgroundcolor=green]{p.\tfd\recurselevel}\hss}
> \vss}
> \stopTEXpage}
> \stoptext
>
> %%
> %% save as my-imp.tex
> %%
> %% \setuplayout here
> \starttext
> \centerline{%
> \externalfigure[test][page=1]
> \externalfigure[test][page=3]
> \externalfigure[test][page=5]
> \externalfigure[test][page=7]
> \externalfigure[test][page=9]
> \externalfigure[test][page=11]
> }
> \blank[1cm]
> \centerline{%
> \externalfigure[test][page=2]
> \externalfigure[test][page=4]
> \externalfigure[test][page=6]
> \externalfigure[test][page=8]
> \externalfigure[test][page=10]
> \externalfigure[test][page=12]
> }
> \stoptext
>
> (you can create my-imp.tex by a script and choosing the appropriate number
> for page=...., also use \setuplayout etc..)
>
> Also look for \setuparranging.
>
> luigi
>
>
>
>
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2005-03-16 8:09 ` luigi.scarso
2005-03-16 8:58 ` Wolfgang Zillig
@ 2005-03-16 9:02 ` Hans Hagen
2005-03-17 8:44 ` Albrecht Kauffmann
2 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-03-16 9:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
luigi.scarso wrote:
> Ciro A. Soto wrote:
>
>>I have a pdf file with 660 letter-size pages.
>>I would like to save toner in my printer by
>>printing 2 or 4 pages in one single sheet of paper.
>>
>>Is it possible to do this with context?
>>or any other alternative?
>>
>>Remember, I don't have the source file, only the pdf
>>file.
>>
>>thank you
>>
>>Ciro
texexec --pdf --pdfcomb --comb=2*2 manypages.pdf
>>_______________________________________________
>>ntg-context mailing list
>>ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>
>>
>>
> As usually, not a direct answer...
>
> Play with these script
> %%
> %% save it as test.tex
> %%
> \setupcolors[state=start]
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{660}%
> {\startTEXpage[width=3cm,height=2cm]
> \vbox to \vsize{\vss
> \hbox to
> \hsize{\hss\framed[width=2cm,align={middle,lohi},background=color,backgroundcolor=green]{p.\tfd\recurselevel}\hss}
> \vss}
> \stopTEXpage}
> \stoptext
>
> %%
> %% save as my-imp.tex
> %%
> %% \setuplayout here
> \starttext
> \centerline{%
> \externalfigure[test][page=1]
> \externalfigure[test][page=3]
> \externalfigure[test][page=5]
> \externalfigure[test][page=7]
> \externalfigure[test][page=9]
> \externalfigure[test][page=11]
> }
> \blank[1cm]
> \centerline{%
> \externalfigure[test][page=2]
> \externalfigure[test][page=4]
> \externalfigure[test][page=6]
> \externalfigure[test][page=8]
> \externalfigure[test][page=10]
> \externalfigure[test][page=12]
> }
> \stoptext
>
> (you can create my-imp.tex by a script and choosing the appropriate number
> for page=...., also use \setuplayout etc..)
>
> Also look for \setuparranging.
>
> luigi
>
>
>
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>
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2005-03-16 8:09 ` luigi.scarso
2005-03-16 8:58 ` Wolfgang Zillig
2005-03-16 9:02 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-03-17 8:44 ` Albrecht Kauffmann
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From: Albrecht Kauffmann @ 2005-03-17 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
Multivalent has a pdf-tool for arranging some pages at one printing page.
Greetings
Albrecht
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, luigi.scarso wrote:
> Ciro A. Soto wrote:
>
> I have a pdf file with 660 letter-size pages.
> I would like to save toner in my printer by
> printing 2 or 4 pages in one single sheet of paper.
>
> Is it possible to do this with context?
> or any other alternative?
>
> Remember, I don't have the source file, only the pdf
> file.
>
> thank you
>
> Ciro
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>
>
>
> As usually, not a direct answer...
>
> Play with these script
> %%
> %% save it as test.tex
> %%
> \setupcolors[state=start]
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{660}%
> {\startTEXpage[width=3cm,height=2cm]
> \vbox to \vsize{\vss
> \hbox to\hsize{\hss\framed[width=2cm,align={middle,lohi},background=color,backgroundcolo
> r=green]{p.\tfd\recurselevel}\hss} \vss}
> \stopTEXpage}
> \stoptext
>
> %%
> %% save as my-imp.tex
> %%
> %% \setuplayout here
> \starttext
> \centerline{%
> \externalfigure[test][page=1]
> \externalfigure[test][page=3]
> \externalfigure[test][page=5]
> \externalfigure[test][page=7]
> \externalfigure[test][page=9]
> \externalfigure[test][page=11]
> }
> \blank[1cm]
> \centerline{%
> \externalfigure[test][page=2]
> \externalfigure[test][page=4]
> \externalfigure[test][page=6]
> \externalfigure[test][page=8]
> \externalfigure[test][page=10]
> \externalfigure[test][page=12]
> }
> \stoptext
>
> (you can create my-imp.tex by a script and choosing the appropriate
> number
> for page=...., also use \setuplayout etc..)
>
> Also look for \setuparranging.
>
> luigi
>
>
>
>
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