hyphenation not working

hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new
version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation,
to work. 

I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation
patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called
ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool
exists with my distribution.

I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also didn't work.

I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I
proceed from here?

Thanks

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Hans Hagen]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
> Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new
> version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation,
> to work. 
> 
> I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation
> patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called
> ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool
> exists with my distribution.
> 
> I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
> to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also didn't work.

did you run mktexlsr ?

> I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I
> proceed from here?

another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that one in 
the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the formats (with 
--all option)

i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 towards 
shipping context with its own instances of patterns)

Hans


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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 10:05:36AM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
> Paul Tremblay wrote:
> >Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new
> >version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation,
> >to work. 
> >
> >I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation
> >patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called
> >ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool
> >exists with my distribution.
> >
> >I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
> >to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my 
> >cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also 
> >didn't work.
> 
> did you run mktexlsr ?
> 
> >I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I
> >proceed from here?
> 
> another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that 
> one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the 
> formats (with --all option)

Where is this? I just spent 20 minutes searching the website.

Paul
> 
> i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 
> towards shipping context with its own instances of patterns)
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
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Re: hyphenation not working

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Paul,


>> another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that 
>> one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the 
>> formats (with --all option)
>
> Where is this? I just spent 20 minutes searching the website.

http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-pat.zip

Patrick
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Re: Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> 
> http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-pat.zip
> 
> Patrick
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> ConTeXt wiki: http://contextgarden.net
> _______________________________________________

Thanks. It wasn't on the download page, though, right?

Paul

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yet another mirror (was: hyphenation not working)

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello folks,

>> http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-pat.zip
 
> Thanks. It wasn't on the download page, though, right?


I don't know, since I looked directly into the file structure. That is
because I run yet another ConTeXt mirror at 

http://mirror.contextgarden.net 

You all know that there is http://tex.aanhet.net/context/ (Taco's
mirror, click on the first link to get there - it leads you to
http://context.aanhet.net/ ). Both mirrors are updated several times a
day. 

Patrick
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Re: yet another mirror (was: hyphenation not working)

[VnPenguin]

On 19 Mar 2005 11:11:52 +0100, Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch> wrote:
> Hello folks,
> 
> >> http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-pat.zip
> 
> > Thanks. It wasn't on the download page, though, right?
> 
> I don't know, since I looked directly into the file structure. That is
> because I run yet another ConTeXt mirror at
> 
> http://mirror.contextgarden.net

When I click over the link "dir"
http://mirror.contextgarden.net/dir

I see:

Not Found

The requested URL /dir was not found on this server.

Re: yet another mirror

[Taco Hoekwater]

The virtual directories (/dir and /exalogin) cannot be mirrored
at the moment. The same problem occurs at htpp://context.aanhet.net

Greetings, Taco

VnPenguin wrote:
> On 19 Mar 2005 11:11:52 +0100, Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch> wrote:
> 
>>Hello folks,
>>
>>
>>>>http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-pat.zip
>>
>>>Thanks. It wasn't on the download page, though, right?
>>
>>I don't know, since I looked directly into the file structure. That is
>>because I run yet another ConTeXt mirror at
>>
>>http://mirror.contextgarden.net
> 
> 
> When I click over the link "dir"
> http://mirror.contextgarden.net/dir
> 
> I see:
> 
> Not Found
> 
> The requested URL /dir was not found on this server.
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context

Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that 
> one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the 
> formats (with --all option)
> 
> i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 
> towards shipping context with its own instances of patterns)

I downloaded the patterns file and unzipped it. It put the following
directory in my texmf directory:

.tex/context/patterns

I then ran texhash. I then ran ./mktexlsr --all.

I then ran texexec test.tex.

Still no hyphenation. 

My log file is below.

Thanks

Paul

This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3) (format=cont-en 2005.2.20)  18 MAR 2005 19:55
entering extended mode
 %&-line parsing enabled.
 (/usr/TeX/texmf/web2c/natural.tcx)
**&cont-en test.tex
(./test.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.20  int: english  mes: english

language        : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
system          : cont-new loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems         : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
color           : palette rollover is available
system (E-TEX) : [line 878] 
system (E-TEX) : [line 933] 
)
system          : cont-old loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading         : Context Old Macros
)
system          : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading         : Context File Synonyms
)
system          : cont-sys loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/user/cont-sys.tex
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex))
bodyfont        : 12pt rm is loaded
language        : patterns de->texnansi:texnansi->3->2:2 de->ec:ec->4->2:2 fr->
texnansi:texnansi->5->2:2 fr->ec:ec->6->2:2 es->default:default->7->2:2 it->tex
nansi:texnansi->8->2:2 it->ec:ec->9->2:2 nl->texnansi:texnansi->10->2:2 nl->ec:
ec->11->2:2 loaded
specials        : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
\openout2 = `test.tui'.

system          : test.top loaded
(./test.top)
\openout0 = `test-mpgraph.mp'.

\openout0 = `mpgraph.mp'.

 (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo)
(./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo) (./test.tuo)
(./test.tuo) (./test.tuo)
fonts           : using map file: texnansi-public-lm.map
fonts           : using map file: original-public-vnr.map
fonts           : using map file: original-public-csr.map
fonts           : using map file: original-public-plr.map
fonts           : using map file: original-public-lm.map
fonts           : using map file: original-ams-euler.map
fonts           : using map file: original-ams-cmr.map
fonts           : using map file: texnansi-base.map
fonts           : using map file: t5-base.map
fonts           : using map file: qx-base.map
fonts           : using map file: 8r-base.map
fonts           : using map file: ec-base.map
fonts           : using map file: ec-public-lm.map
fonts           : using map file: original-base.map
systems         : begin file test at line 12
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/page-run.tex
loading         : Context Page Macros / Runtime Macros
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/sample/tufte.tex)
Overfull \hbox (2.48778pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 1--34
\*12ptmmmr* our marvelous and everyday capacity to select, edit,

\hbox(8.33331+2.33331)x256.07481, glue set - 1.0
.\*12ptmmmr* o
.\*12ptmmmr* u
.\*12ptmmmr* r
.\glue 3.91663 plus 1.95831 minus 1.30554
.\*12ptmmmr* m
.etc.


Overfull \hbox (16.65291pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 1--34
\*12ptmmmr* reduce, boil down, choose, categorize, catalog, classify,

\hbox(8.33331+2.33331)x256.07481, glue set - 1.0
.\*12ptmmmr* r
.\*12ptmmmr* e
.\*12ptmmmr* d
.\*12ptmmmr* u
.\*12ptmmmr* c
.etc.



(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/sample/knuth.tex [4.4])
Overfull \hbox (7.28357pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 12--34
[]\*12ptmmmr* But a system cannot be successful if it is too strongly

\hbox(8.33331+2.33331)x256.07481, glue set - 1.0
.\hbox(0.0+0.0)x0.0
.\*12ptmmmr* B
.\*12ptmmmr* u
.\*12ptmmmr* t
.\glue 3.91663 plus 1.95831 minus 1.30554
.etc.

A LOT OF OTHER OVERFILL MESSAGES WHICH I CUT OUT

[5.5] [6.6]
systems         : end file test at line 37
 ) 
Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
 691 strings out of 62989
 11662 string characters out of 668839
 4464250 words of memory out of 5506310
 35404 multiletter control sequences out of 10000+50000
 10284 words of font info for 34 fonts, out of 1000000 for 2000
 82 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000
 39i,20n,52p,181b,433s stack positions out of 5000i,500n,6000p,200000b,40000s
 0 PDF objects out of 300000
 0 named destinations out of 131072
 1 words of extra memory for PDF output out of 65536

Output written on test.dvi (6 pages, 17272 bytes).

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Taco Hoekwater]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
>>another option is to fetch cont-pat.zip from our website and install that 
>>one in the same texmf tree as context; run mktexlsr, and regenerate the 
>>formats (with --all option)
>>
>>i'd appreciate feedback about this working or not (since it's step 1 
>>towards shipping context with its own instances of patterns)
> 
> 
> I downloaded the patterns file and unzipped it. It put the following
> directory in my texmf directory:
> 
> .tex/context/patterns
> 
> I then ran texhash. I then ran ./mktexlsr --all.

At this point, you missed a step:

  texexec --make


> I then ran texexec test.tex.
> 
> Still no hyphenation. 

Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 09:03:08AM +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> >
> >I downloaded the patterns file and unzipped it. It put the following
> >directory in my texmf directory:
> >
> >.tex/context/patterns
> >
> >I then ran texhash. I then ran ./mktexlsr --all.
> 
> At this point, you missed a step:
> 
>  texexec --make
> 
> 

I just ran 

texexec --make

Same. No hyphenation. 

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> 
> At this point, you missed a step:
> 
>  texexec --make

I re-ran the test and saved the output to a file. I opened the file and
saw this:

system (E-TEX) : [line 159] \ifcsname 
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-ger.tex
loading         : Germanic Languages
language        : patterns for nl not loaded
language        : patterns for en not loaded
language        : patterns for de not loaded
language        : patterns for da not loaded
language        : patterns for sv not loaded
language        : patterns for af not loaded
language        : patterns for no not loaded
language        : patterns for deo not loaded
language        : patterns for uk not loaded
language        : patterns for us not loaded
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-ita.tex
loading         : Italic Languages
language        : patterns for fr not loaded
language        : patterns for es not loaded
language        : patterns for ca not loaded
language        : patterns for it not loaded
language        : patterns for la not loaded
language        : patterns for pt not loaded
language        : patterns for ro not loaded
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-sla.tex
loading         : Slavic Languages
language        : patterns for pl not loaded
language        : patterns for cz not loaded
language        : patterns for sk not loaded
language        : patterns for hr not loaded
language        : patterns for sl not loaded
) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-alt.tex




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Re: hyphenation not working

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi Paul,

All of this must be maddening you by now. :'(

> system (E-TEX) : [line 159] \ifcsname 
> ) (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/lang-ger.tex
> loading         : Germanic Languages
> language        : patterns for nl not loaded
> language        : patterns for en not loaded

Mine does that as well, but somewhat deeper in the log file, it
restarts loading patterns, like this:


   (./cont-fmt.tex
   language        : patterns nl for nl loaded(n=1,e=texnansi,m=texnansi)
   (/home/taco/texmf/tex/context/patterns/lang-nl.pat)
   language        : hyphenations nl for nl loaded
   ...

culminating in :

   210 hyphenation exceptions
   Hyphenation trie of length 99454 has 4157 ops out of 35111
     117 for language 34
     31 for language 33
     ....<30 lines or so, counting down> ..
     265 for language 1


perhaps you also need to get the cont-tmf.zip from 'latest'? Mine has

ConTeXt  ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  int: english  mes: english


Good luck!

Taco

Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> Mine does that as well, but somewhat deeper in the log file, it
> restarts loading patterns, like this:
> 
> 
>   (./cont-fmt.tex
>   language        : patterns nl for nl loaded(n=1,e=texnansi,m=texnansi)
>   (/home/taco/texmf/tex/context/patterns/lang-nl.pat)
>   language        : hyphenations nl for nl loaded
>   ...
> 
> culminating in :
> 
>   210 hyphenation exceptions
>   Hyphenation trie of length 99454 has 4157 ops out of 35111
>     117 for language 34
>     31 for language 33
>     ....<30 lines or so, counting down> ..
>     265 for language 1
> 
> 
> perhaps you also need to get the cont-tmf.zip from 'latest'? Mine has
> 
> ConTeXt  ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  int: english  mes: english
> 
> 

Yes, now that I look deeper down in my log file, I see the same. Oh
well. I guess I'll have to live without hyphenation. Just when I thought
I was getting somewhere.

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Adam Lindsay]

Paul Tremblay said this at Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:58:10 -0500:

>>   210 hyphenation exceptions
>>   Hyphenation trie of length 99454 has 4157 ops out of 35111
>>     117 for language 34
>>     31 for language 33
>>     ....<30 lines or so, counting down> ..
>>     265 for language 1
>> 
>> 
>> perhaps you also need to get the cont-tmf.zip from 'latest'? Mine has
>> 
>> ConTeXt  ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  int: english  mes: english
>> 
>> 
>
>Yes, now that I look deeper down in my log file, I see the same. Oh
>well. I guess I'll have to live without hyphenation. Just when I thought
>I was getting somewhere.

So if I understand what you're saying, that suggests you do have the
capability for hyphenation somewhere in your system. What is your test
file? Can you strip it to its barest form?

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> So if I understand what you're saying, that suggests you do have the
> capability for hyphenation somewhere in your system. What is your test
> file? Can you strip it to its barest form?

Here is the entire file. Luckily, it is very small. 

Thanks

Paul


% enable utf
\enableregime[utf]

% turn off automatic page numbering
\setuppagenumbering[state=stop, way=bytext, alternative=doublesided]
%\setupbodyfont[rm,12pt]
%\setuplanguage[en][ state=start]
%\language[en]

%\setuptolerance[verytolerant]

\starttext

\setuppapersize[A4]
% show frames so we can debug
\showframe
\definelayout[test][
 backspace=50mm,
 cutspace=70mm,
 width=fit,
]



% so it is always a good idea to use width=fit

\setuplayout[test]
 \setupheadertexts[odd][][][even]


Test\par
% input text from another document
\dorecurse{6}{\input tufte \par \input knuth \par}


\stoptext




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Re: hyphenation not working

[Adam Lindsay]

Paul Tremblay said this at Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:20:10 -0500:

>> So if I understand what you're saying, that suggests you do have the
>> capability for hyphenation somewhere in your system. What is your test
>> file? Can you strip it to its barest form?
>
>Here is the entire file. Luckily, it is very small. 

That does show a fair bit of hyphenation, here. Taco says some wise
things, and here are a couple things to insert at the beginning of your
text that may help debug. (But, again, I'm no expert in this area.)


\the\hyphenpenalty % (50 on my system)

\showhyphenations{hypertextual}

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> 
> That does show a fair bit of hyphenation, here. Taco says some wise
> things, and here are a couple things to insert at the beginning of your
> text that may help debug. (But, again, I'm no expert in this area.)
> 
> 
> \the\hyphenpenalty % (50 on my system)
> 
> \showhyphenations{hypertextual}
> 

I put these lines at the top of my file. My resulting dvi file shows
these lines:

50
language : en(code:1)
font : cmr12
encoding : default
mapping : default
sample : hypertextual

It seems that the hypen penalty is what it should be.

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Taco Hoekwater]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
 >
> Yes, now that I look deeper down in my log file, I see the same. Oh
> well. I guess I'll have to live without hyphenation. Just when I thought
> I was getting somewhere.

You are getting somewhere. The format files that have been created
by texexec in that last 'texexec --make' know how to hyphenate text.
There is only one job left to do: making it so that 'texexec test'
uses the right (new) format file (and not the old one). Without
exact log files, I doubt I can sort that out for you, but assuming
you ran 'texexec --make' today, then 'texexec -version' should
report the following date info:

    context : ver: 2005.03.16
    cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  mes: english
    cont-nl : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  mes: dutch

if not, some files need to be copied.

Good luck,

Taco

Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> You are getting somewhere. The format files that have been created
> by texexec in that last 'texexec --make' know how to hyphenate text.
> There is only one job left to do: making it so that 'texexec test'
> uses the right (new) format file (and not the old one). Without
> exact log files, I doubt I can sort that out for you, but assuming
> you ran 'texexec --make' today, then 'texexec -version' should
> report the following date info:
> 
>    context : ver: 2005.03.16
>    cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  mes: english
>    cont-nl : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.19  mes: dutch
> 
> if not, some files need to be copied.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Taco

texexec --version:

texexec : TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
               texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
                   tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
               context : ver: 2005.01.31
               cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.20  mes: english


Paul


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Re: hyphenation not working

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Paul,

[...]

> texexec : TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
>                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>                    tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
>                context : ver: 2005.01.31
>                cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.20  mes: english

So your format with the new patterns is not used. You generated the
format Feb. 20 and downloaded the patters a few days ago. 

What happens if you run 

texexec --make --alone

and copy the cont-en.fmt (or whatever it is called now) into the
'correct' path? Or leave it in the path that your test file is in and
try the \showhyphenations{hypertextual} again.

Patrick
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Re: Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

> 
> What happens if you run 
> 
> texexec --make --alone
> 
> and copy the cont-en.fmt (or whatever it is called now) into the
> 'correct' path? Or leave it in the path that your test file is in and
> try the \showhyphenations{hypertextual} again.
> 

Back from my rally. 

And, success! If I leave the cont-en.fmt file in the same directory as
I am running texeec, then I get hypenated text. So the goal is to move
it to my path. But where exactly is my path?

If I do a search for the cont-en.fmt file in texmf, I get:

./doc/man/man1/cont-en.1
./tex/context/base/cont-en.tex
./tex/context/config/cont-en.ini
./tex/context/interface/cont-en.xml
./context/data/cont-en-scite.properties
./cont-en.log
./cont-en.fmt

Thanks

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi Paul,

there should be some cont-en.fmt somewhere on your disk. Like
/usr/local/texmf/web2c/context/cont-en.fmt, but this is just a wild
guess. So you could copy your newly generated cont-en.fmt over the old
one.

Patrick

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Re: Re: hyphenation not working

[Paul Tremblay]

Hi Patrick

On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 11:00:57PM +0100, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> 
> there should be some cont-en.fmt somewhere on your disk. Like
> /usr/local/texmf/web2c/context/cont-en.fmt, but this is just a wild
> guess. So you could copy your newly generated cont-en.fmt over the old
> one.
> 

Okay. I was looking for it in /usr/TeX/texmf directory. It was in

/usr/TeX/texmf-var/web2c

So everything works fine now. I assume that future versions of ConTeXt
will install this file correctly? 

Paul

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Re: hyphenation not working

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Paul,


[...]

> So everything works fine now. 

Good to hear.

> I assume that future versions of ConTeXt will install this file
> correctly?

That should have been the case anyway. Can't tell you what went wrong.

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how to place figures next to each other

[Peter]

Dear list,

How can I place two figures next to each other without using a 
\startcombination ... \stopcombination group?

I now have this, but it is not what I want:

\gebruikexternfiguur[kortoctaaf][cekort][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
\gebruikexternfiguur[gebrokenoctaaf][gebroken][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
\plaatsfiguur
     [hier]
     [fig:klavieren]
     {Enkele varianten van het groot octaaf}
     {\startcombinatie[2*1]
     {\kortoctaaf}{kort octaaf}
     {\gebrokenoctaaf}{gebroken octaaf}
     \stopcombinatie}

I want to have the two figures numbered as seperate, independent 
figures, but when using a combination, the whole combination is treated 
as one figure and gets only one number and one label.

XXXX      XXXX
X  X      X  X
XXXX      XXXX

fig.n      fig.n+1

I've consulted the manuals and searched the list archives, but I have 
not found a solution.

tnx in advance,

Peter van Kranenburg

p.s. I've already sent this message to the list, thursday, but it didn't 
show up in my inbox. So this is another try.

Re: how to place figures next to each other

[Matthias Weber]

The best I can get is

\starttext

\useexternalfigure[myfigure][filename][width=1in]

\placetable[here][tab:2figures]{none}
\starttable[|c|c|]
\NC
\placefigure[here]{My Caption 1}{\externalfigure[myfigure]}
\NC
\placefigure[here]{My Caption 1}{\externalfigure[myfigure]}
\NC
\FR
\stoptable

\stoptext


But something in \placefigure produces undesired glue so that the 
figures
end up in the margins.

Somebody else?

Matthias

On Mar 19, 2005, at 6:17 AM, Peter wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> How can I place two figures next to each other without using a 
> \startcombination ... \stopcombination group?
>
> I now have this, but it is not what I want:
>
> \gebruikexternfiguur[kortoctaaf][cekort][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
> \gebruikexternfiguur[gebrokenoctaaf][gebroken][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
> \plaatsfiguur
>     [hier]
>     [fig:klavieren]
>     {Enkele varianten van het groot octaaf}
>     {\startcombinatie[2*1]
>     {\kortoctaaf}{kort octaaf}
>     {\gebrokenoctaaf}{gebroken octaaf}
>     \stopcombinatie}
>
> I want to have the two figures numbered as seperate, independent 
> figures, but when using a combination, the whole combination is 
> treated as one figure and gets only one number and one label.
>
> XXXX      XXXX
> X  X      X  X
> XXXX      XXXX
>
> fig.n      fig.n+1
>
> I've consulted the manuals and searched the list archives, but I have 
> not found a solution.
>
> tnx in advance,
>
> Peter van Kranenburg
>
> p.s. I've already sent this message to the list, thursday, but it 
> didn't show up in my inbox. So this is another try.
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> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>
>

Re: how to place figures next to each other

[Peter]

Matthias Weber wrote:
> The best I can get is
> 
> \starttext
> \useexternalfigure[myfigure][filename][width=1in]
> \placetable[here][tab:2figures]{none}
 > [...]

Thanks for the try. I've also tried columns. But the floating mechanism 
and columns/tables doesn't cooperate very well...

Maybe there is a way to increment the figure counter by hand? And to add 
a label for the added figurenumber? Then I can make the 
[2*1]-combination appear as two independent figures.

the only problem then is the caption of the combination. I don't want 
that caption, and I don't want the space that is occupied by that caption.

greetings
Peter

Re: hyphenation not working

[Christopher Creutzig]

Hans Hagen wrote:
>> I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
>> to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my 
>> cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This 
>> also didn't work.
> 
> 
> did you run mktexlsr ?

  And in case that's unexpected: You need to run texexec --make, since 
patterns are loaded at format generation.


Christopher

Re: hyphenation not working

[Taco Hoekwater]

See also this threade:

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20041228.225433.b0bd0faf.html

This is becoming a FAQ, unfortunately.

Greetings, Taco

Paul Tremblay wrote:
> Has anyone else had problems with hyphenation? I have a brand new
> version of ConTeXt, and cannot get one of its main features, hyphenation,
> to work. 
> 
> I looked at the documentation, specifically the file called hypenation
> patterns. According to this, I should be able to invoke a took called
> ctxtools, or at least a tool called texmfstart ctxtools. Neither tool
> exists with my distribution.
> 
> I do have a file called hyphen.tex. On Hans' suggestion, I copied this
> to ushyph1.tex and ushyph2.tex. That didn't help. I also  changed my cont-usr.tex file, changing all lines that had ushyp* to hyphen. This also didn't work.
> 
> I am at a loss, and I consider hyphenation pretty important. How do I
> proceed from here?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Paul
> 

how to place figures next to each other

[Peter]

Dear list,

How can I place two figures next to each other without using a 
\startcombination ... \stopcombination group?

I now have this, but it is not what I want:

\gebruikexternfiguur[kortoctaaf][cekort][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
\gebruikexternfiguur[gebrokenoctaaf][gebroken][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
\plaatsfiguur
	[hier]
	[fig:klavieren]
	{Enkele varianten van het groot octaaf}
	{\startcombinatie[2*1]
	{\kortoctaaf}{kort octaaf}
	{\gebrokenoctaaf}{gebroken octaaf}
	\stopcombinatie}

I want to have the two figures numbered as seperate, independent 
figures, but when using a combination, the whole combination is treated 
as one figure and gets only one number and one label.

XXXX      XXXX
X  X      X  X
XXXX      XXXX

fig.n      fig.n+1

I've consulted the manuals and searched the list archives, but I have 
not found a solution.

tnx in advance,

Peter van Kranenburg

Re: how to place figures next to each other

[Peter]

Peter wrote:
> How can I place two figures next to each other without using a 
> \startcombination ... \stopcombination group?
> 
> I now have this, but it is not what I want:
> 
> \gebruikexternfiguur[kortoctaaf][cekort][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
> \gebruikexternfiguur[gebrokenoctaaf][gebroken][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
> \plaatsfiguur
>     [hier]
>     [fig:klavieren]
>     {Enkele varianten van het groot octaaf}
>     {\startcombinatie[2*1]
>     {\kortoctaaf}{kort octaaf}
>     {\gebrokenoctaaf}{gebroken octaaf}
>     \stopcombinatie}
> 
> I want to have the two figures numbered as seperate, independent 
> figures, but when using a combination, the whole combination is treated 
> as one figure and gets only one number and one label.
> 
> XXXX      XXXX
> X  X      X  X
> XXXX      XXXX
> 
> fig.n      fig.n+1
> 
> I've consulted the manuals and searched the list archives, but I have 
> not found a solution.
> 
> tnx in advance,
> 

I now know how to suppress the caption of the combination. By using the 
option "none".
Now I have to generate the captions of the two figures with the correct 
numbers and the reference-labels by hand. So my questions:
- How can I increment the figure counter?
- How can I print the current figure number?
- How can I add labels for referencing to the two figures?
- Is there a better approach to do this?

I have two small figures. So I really want them next to each other. It's 
a waste of space to put them underneath each other.

Peter

Re: how to place figures next to each other

[Hans Hagen]

Peter wrote:
> Peter wrote:
> 
>> How can I place two figures next to each other without using a 
>> \startcombination ... \stopcombination group?
>>
>> I now have this, but it is not what I want:
>>
>> \gebruikexternfiguur[kortoctaaf][cekort][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
>> \gebruikexternfiguur[gebrokenoctaaf][gebroken][type=eps,hoogte=30mm]
>> \plaatsfiguur
>>     [hier]
>>     [fig:klavieren]
>>     {Enkele varianten van het groot octaaf}
>>     {\startcombinatie[2*1]
>>     {\kortoctaaf}{kort octaaf}
>>     {\gebrokenoctaaf}{gebroken octaaf}
>>     \stopcombinatie}
>>
>> I want to have the two figures numbered as seperate, independent 
>> figures, but when using a combination, the whole combination is 
>> treated as one figure and gets only one number and one label.
>>
>> XXXX      XXXX
>> X  X      X  X
>> XXXX      XXXX
>>
>> fig.n      fig.n+1
>>
>> I've consulted the manuals and searched the list archives, but I have 
>> not found a solution.
>>
>> tnx in advance,
>>
> 
> I now know how to suppress the caption of the combination. By using the 
> option "none".
> Now I have to generate the captions of the two figures with the correct 
> numbers and the reference-labels by hand. So my questions:
> - How can I increment the figure counter?
> - How can I print the current figure number?
> - How can I add labels for referencing to the two figures?
> - Is there a better approach to do this?
> 
> I have two small figures. So I really want them next to each other. It's 
> a waste of space to put them underneath each other.

ok then, since no one comes to your help ...

\starttext

\placefigure
   [none]
   {}
   {\startcombination
      {\externalfigure[cow][width=4cm]} {\placefloatcaption[figure]{one}}
      {\externalfigure[cow][width=4cm]} {\placefloatcaption[figure]{two}}
    \stopcombination}

\stoptext

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Re: how to place figures next to each other

[Peter]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> \starttext
> 
> \placefigure
>   [none]
>   {}
>   {\startcombination
>      {\externalfigure[cow][width=4cm]} {\placefloatcaption[figure]{one}}
>      {\externalfigure[cow][width=4cm]} {\placefloatcaption[figure]{two}}
>    \stopcombination}
> 
> \stoptext
> 

Wow, is it that simple and elegant...
I had to figure out to replace 'figure' by 'figuur' in the dutch 
interface. But doing so gives me exactly what I want.
Many thanks!
Peter