bibmodule: two small questions

bibmodule: two small questions

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

I've been playing with Taco's bibmodule, and I'm absolutely thrilled 
how easy it is to customize things. Once you've groked how things work, 
you can simply copy code from bibl-apa.tex and modify, it's just 
wonderful (OT: what does "apa" stand for in this abbreviation? For me, 
it's the American Philological Association, but I guess that's not 
meant here.) I even managed to typeset the numbers of my bibliography 
flushright in a \hbox and was very proud of myself.

Two small questions remain:

1. Is  there a general option to have the publicationlist typeset in a 
smaller font size? The default seems to be the general bodyfont, but I 
couldn't see where this could be modified.

2. The space between the items does not follow the normal 
interlinespace, but is fixed to a somewhat smaller value, which looks a 
bit bizarre. Is there any way to modify this behavior.

But these are just cosmetic flaws, overall, the module works 
wonderfully. Very impressive!

Best

Thomas

Re: bibmodule: two small questions

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi Thomas,


Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
> I've been playing with Taco's bibmodule, and I'm absolutely thrilled how 
> easy it is to customize things. Once you've groked how things work, you 
> can simply copy code from bibl-apa.tex and modify, it's just wonderful 
> (OT: what does "apa" stand for in this abbreviation? For me, it's the 
> American Philological Association, but I guess that's not meant here.) 

American Psychological Association, http://www.apastyle.org

> 1. Is  there a general option to have the publicationlist typeset in a 
> smaller font size? The default seems to be the general bodyfont, but I 
> couldn't see where this could be modified.

The easiest solution is not to use \completepublications, but
\placepublications, something like this (untested):

   \section{References}
   \switchtobodyfont[8pt]
   \placepublications


> 2. The space between the items does not follow the normal 
> interlinespace, but is fixed to a somewhat smaller value, which looks a 
> bit bizarre. Is there any way to modify this behavior.

I believe this may depend a bit on your ConTeXt & bib module version(s).

The current one looks fine (I think), but I know for a fact that there
have been some problems with older versions, and perhaps they have
not been resolved properly. See the options to \setuplist in texshow,
if you want to tweak the spacing between items, you can use all those
options inside a \setuppublicationlist command.

Greetings, Taco

Re: bibmodule: two small questions

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

Thanks Taco!

Actually, the \switchtobodyfont works even with \completepublications.

But the spacing seems to have a problem even in newer versions --I use 
the latest and greatest:

TeXExec 5.2.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005

                texexec : TeXExec 5.2.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
                    tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
                context : ver: 2005.03.16
                cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.23  mes: english

Nevertheless, the space between items in the publicationlist is 
slightly smaller than between normal lines. You can observe it best if 
you set the interlinespace to something like 5ex.

I tried something like

\setuppublicationlist
             [after={\vskip2pt}]

but this is just a guesstimate and will have to be adapted when I 
change the bodyfont or the interlinespace.

On an unrelated note: A couple of months ago, somebody posted about 
problems with cross-references. You supplied a workaround then:

\setbox0\vbox{\placepublications}
\completepublications

This still works, but any chance that the bug will be fixed?

But most importantly: thanks for providing this wonderful tool!

Best

Thomas

On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

>
> Hi Thomas,
>
>
> Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
>> I've been playing with Taco's bibmodule, and I'm absolutely thrilled 
>> how easy it is to customize things. Once you've groked how things 
>> work, you can simply copy code from bibl-apa.tex and modify, it's 
>> just wonderful (OT: what does "apa" stand for in this abbreviation? 
>> For me, it's the American Philological Association, but I guess 
>> that's not meant here.)
>
> American Psychological Association, http://www.apastyle.org
>
>> 1. Is  there a general option to have the publicationlist typeset in 
>> a smaller font size? The default seems to be the general bodyfont, 
>> but I couldn't see where this could be modified.
>
> The easiest solution is not to use \completepublications, but
> \placepublications, something like this (untested):
>
>   \section{References}
>   \switchtobodyfont[8pt]
>   \placepublications
>
>
>> 2. The space between the items does not follow the normal 
>> interlinespace, but is fixed to a somewhat smaller value, which looks 
>> a bit bizarre. Is there any way to modify this behavior.
>
> I believe this may depend a bit on your ConTeXt & bib module 
> version(s).
>
> The current one looks fine (I think), but I know for a fact that there
> have been some problems with older versions, and perhaps they have
> not been resolved properly. See the options to \setuplist in texshow,
> if you want to tweak the spacing between items, you can use all those
> options inside a \setuppublicationlist command.
>
> Greetings, Taco
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>

Re: bibmodule: two small questions

[Taco Hoekwater]

Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
> Thanks Taco!
> 
> Actually, the \switchtobodyfont works even with \completepublications.

Ok, cool.

> Nevertheless, the space between items in the publicationlist is slightly 
> smaller than between normal lines. You can observe it best if you set 
> the interlinespace to something like 5ex.

I have to check this (and the crossrefs). Added to my todo list, I hope
to so work on the bib module next week.

Greetings, Taco

RE: bibmodule: two small questions

[Stefano]

Thomas,

I was able to set the spacing between items in the publications list by
using

\placepublications[before={\setupwhitespace[5pt]}]

Using \setupwhitespace before \placepublications did not work for me.


Stefano

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl]On
> Behalf Of Thomas A.Schmitz
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 15:16
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] bibmodule: two small questions
>
>
> Thanks Taco!
>
> Actually, the \switchtobodyfont works even with \completepublications.
>
> But the spacing seems to have a problem even in newer versions --I use
> the latest and greatest:
>
> TeXExec 5.2.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>
>                 texexec : TeXExec 5.2.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                 texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>                     tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
>                 context : ver: 2005.03.16
>                 cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.23  mes: english
>
> Nevertheless, the space between items in the publicationlist is
> slightly smaller than between normal lines. You can observe it best if
> you set the interlinespace to something like 5ex.
>
> I tried something like
>
> \setuppublicationlist
>              [after={\vskip2pt}]
>
> but this is just a guesstimate and will have to be adapted when I
> change the bodyfont or the interlinespace.
>
> On an unrelated note: A couple of months ago, somebody posted about
> problems with cross-references. You supplied a workaround then:
>
> \setbox0\vbox{\placepublications}
> \completepublications
>
> This still works, but any chance that the bug will be fixed?
>
> But most importantly: thanks for providing this wonderful tool!
>
> Best
>
> Thomas
>
> On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> >
> > Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
> >> I've been playing with Taco's bibmodule, and I'm absolutely thrilled
> >> how easy it is to customize things. Once you've groked how things
> >> work, you can simply copy code from bibl-apa.tex and modify, it's
> >> just wonderful (OT: what does "apa" stand for in this abbreviation?
> >> For me, it's the American Philological Association, but I guess
> >> that's not meant here.)
> >
> > American Psychological Association, http://www.apastyle.org
> >
> >> 1. Is  there a general option to have the publicationlist typeset in
> >> a smaller font size? The default seems to be the general bodyfont,
> >> but I couldn't see where this could be modified.
> >
> > The easiest solution is not to use \completepublications, but
> > \placepublications, something like this (untested):
> >
> >   \section{References}
> >   \switchtobodyfont[8pt]
> >   \placepublications
> >
> >
> >> 2. The space between the items does not follow the normal
> >> interlinespace, but is fixed to a somewhat smaller value, which looks
> >> a bit bizarre. Is there any way to modify this behavior.
> >
> > I believe this may depend a bit on your ConTeXt & bib module
> > version(s).
> >
> > The current one looks fine (I think), but I know for a fact that there
> > have been some problems with older versions, and perhaps they have
> > not been resolved properly. See the options to \setuplist in texshow,
> > if you want to tweak the spacing between items, you can use all those
> > options inside a \setuppublicationlist command.
> >
> > Greetings, Taco
> > _______________________________________________
> > ntg-context mailing list
> > ntg-context@ntg.nl
> > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> >
>
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Re: bibmodule: two small questions

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

Stefano,

thanks for the reply. This command has a very weird behavior: when I 
set it to

\placepublications[before={\setupwhitespace[0pt]}]

I still get too little whitespace between items. When I set it to any 
value, like

\placepublications[before={\setupwhitespace[.1pt]}]

I get a blank of approx. half a line. But I can't achieve what I want: 
exactly the same interlinespace within items and between items. So it 
must be something hidden somewhere in the macros.

All best

Thomas

On Mar 30, 2005, at 4:18 PM, Stefano wrote:

> Thomas,
>
> I was able to set the spacing between items in the publications list by
> using
>
> \placepublications[before={\setupwhitespace[5pt]}]
>
> Using \setupwhitespace before \placepublications did not work for me.
>
>
> Stefano
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl]On
>> Behalf Of Thomas A.Schmitz
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 15:16
>> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
>> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] bibmodule: two small questions
>>
>>
>> Thanks Taco!
>>
>> Actually, the \switchtobodyfont works even with \completepublications.
>>
>> But the spacing seems to have a problem even in newer versions --I use
>> the latest and greatest:
>>
>> TeXExec 5.2.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>>
>>                 texexec : TeXExec 5.2.5 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 
>> 1997-2005
>>                 texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 
>> 1992-2004
>>                     tex : pdfeTeX, 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
>>                 context : ver: 2005.03.16
>>                 cont-en : ver: 2005.03.16  fmt: 2005.3.23  mes: 
>> english
>>
>> Nevertheless, the space between items in the publicationlist is
>> slightly smaller than between normal lines. You can observe it best if
>> you set the interlinespace to something like 5ex.
>>
>> I tried something like
>>
>> \setuppublicationlist
>>              [after={\vskip2pt}]
>>
>> but this is just a guesstimate and will have to be adapted when I
>> change the bodyfont or the interlinespace.
>>
>> On an unrelated note: A couple of months ago, somebody posted about
>> problems with cross-references. You supplied a workaround then:
>>
>> \setbox0\vbox{\placepublications}
>> \completepublications
>>
>> This still works, but any chance that the bug will be fixed?
>>
>> But most importantly: thanks for providing this wonderful tool!
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
>>>> I've been playing with Taco's bibmodule, and I'm absolutely thrilled
>>>> how easy it is to customize things. Once you've groked how things
>>>> work, you can simply copy code from bibl-apa.tex and modify, it's
>>>> just wonderful (OT: what does "apa" stand for in this abbreviation?
>>>> For me, it's the American Philological Association, but I guess
>>>> that's not meant here.)
>>>
>>> American Psychological Association, http://www.apastyle.org
>>>
>>>> 1. Is  there a general option to have the publicationlist typeset in
>>>> a smaller font size? The default seems to be the general bodyfont,
>>>> but I couldn't see where this could be modified.
>>>
>>> The easiest solution is not to use \completepublications, but
>>> \placepublications, something like this (untested):
>>>
>>>   \section{References}
>>>   \switchtobodyfont[8pt]
>>>   \placepublications
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. The space between the items does not follow the normal
>>>> interlinespace, but is fixed to a somewhat smaller value, which 
>>>> looks
>>>> a bit bizarre. Is there any way to modify this behavior.
>>>
>>> I believe this may depend a bit on your ConTeXt & bib module
>>> version(s).
>>>
>>> The current one looks fine (I think), but I know for a fact that 
>>> there
>>> have been some problems with older versions, and perhaps they have
>>> not been resolved properly. See the options to \setuplist in texshow,
>>> if you want to tweak the spacing between items, you can use all those
>>> options inside a \setuppublicationlist command.
>>>
>>> Greetings, Taco
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> ntg-context mailing list
>>> ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>>
>>
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