widow and orphan control

widow and orphan control

[Paul Tremblay]

How does one prevent orphans (the first line nof a paragraph on the last
line of a page) and widows (the last line of a paragraph on a new page)?

If I have the title of a new section that must not be the last line of a
page, how can I do this? 

Thanks

Paul

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Re: widow and orphan control

[Paul Tremblay]

On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:04:58PM -0500, Paul Tremblay wrote:
> 
> How does one prevent orphans (the first line nof a paragraph on the last
> line of a page) and widows (the last line of a paragraph on a new page)?
> 
> If I have the title of a new section that must not be the last line of a
> page, how can I do this? 
> 

I've hunted around the web quite a bit, and there doesn't seem to be an
easy way to do this. I tried:

\clubpenalty=-600
\widowpenalty=-600

But this had no effect.

What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much
space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small,
pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the title on
the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible]

I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. 

Paul

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Re: widow and orphan control

[speter]

On 3/29/2005, "Paul Tremblay" <phthenry@iglou.com> wrote:

>I've hunted around the web quite a bit, and there doesn't seem to be an
>easy way to do this. I tried:
>
>clubpenalty=-600
>widowpenalty=-600
>
>But this had no effect.

You just told TeX that it's a good idea to have widows and orphans.
Negative numbers mean there's less of a penalty for widows and orphans.
Try assigning a high positive number (up to 10000). (150 is the default
in Plain TeX.)

Steve

Re: widow and orphan control

[Hans Hagen]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 10:04:58PM -0500, Paul Tremblay wrote:
> 
>>How does one prevent orphans (the first line nof a paragraph on the last
>>line of a page) and widows (the last line of a paragraph on a new page)?
>>
>>If I have the title of a new section that must not be the last line of a
>>page, how can I do this? 
>>
> 
> 
> I've hunted around the web quite a bit, and there doesn't seem to be an
> easy way to do this. I tried:
> 
> \clubpenalty=-600
> \widowpenalty=-600
> 
> But this had no effect.
> 
> What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much
> space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small,
> pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the title on
> the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible]
> 
> I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. 

\testpage[24pt]


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Re: widow and orphan control

[Vit Zyka]

 >>Hans Hagen wrote (8:53):
>> Paul Tremblay wrote:
>>> What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much
>>> space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small,
>>> pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the title on
>>> the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible]
>>>
>>> I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. 
>> 
>> \testpage[24pt]

Vit Zyka wrote (11:35):
 >\penalty50
 >\vskip3\baselineskip plus1fil
 >\nobreak
 >\vskip-3\baselineskip plus-1fil
 >
 >It is useful before section title etc. I believe it is implemented to 
 >ConTeXt, but I do not know the interface.

Whawgh! Hans had answered the question before I sent it. Sorry, my 
homing pigeon was too lazy... Although Hasselt-to-Prague way in 2.5 hrs 
it is not so bad :)

vit

Re: widow and orphan control

[phthenry]

From: Vit Zyka <vit.zyka@seznam.cz>
>  >>Hans Hagen wrote (8:53):
> >> Paul Tremblay wrote:
> >>> What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much
> >>> space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small,
> >>> pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the
> title on
> >>> the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible]
> >>>
> >>> I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. 
> >> 
> >> \testpage[24pt]
> 
> Vit Zyka wrote (11:35):
>  >\penalty50
>  >\vskip3\baselineskip plus1fil
>  >\nobreak
>  >\vskip-3\baselineskip plus-1fil
>  >
>  >It is useful before section title etc. I believe it is implemented to
>  >ConTeXt, but I do not know the interface.
> 
> Whawgh! Hans had answered the question before I sent it. Sorry, my 
> homing pigeon was too lazy... Although Hasselt-to-Prague way in 2.5 hrs
> it is not so bad :)
> 

Actually, no! Both your responses help me out.

Could you explain your snippet of code? I don't quite know what 
the \penalty50 means. I know TeX applies a penalty to each line,
but I'm confused if the penalty is for fitting the line 
horizontally or vertically, or both. 

I know what vskip does, but I'm not sure about the other commands,
or the strategy. Incidently, I do very much want code that acts
on titles for sections and subsections. That is my exact problem 
right now. I believe that ConTeXt will generally handle widows
if they just occur in a regular paragraph.

Hans provided a very useful tidbit in \testpage[24pt], but I'm not 
sure if I should use this in a macro. I have never written a 
macro in TeX before. I was hoping I would not have to write macros,
but maybe I should just learn the basics?

I guess there is a section on macros in the big manual. But that 
is sitting at home next to my computer that has the ConTeXt on it!

Thanks

Paul

Re: widow and orphan control

[Vit Zyka]

phthenry@iglou.com wrote:
> From: Vit Zyka <vit.zyka@seznam.cz>
> 
>> >>Hans Hagen wrote (8:53):
>>
>>>>Paul Tremblay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much
>>>>>space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small,
>>>>>pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the
>>
>>title on
>>
>>>>>the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible]
>>>>>
>>>>>I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. 
>>>>
>>>>\testpage[24pt]
>>
>>Vit Zyka wrote (11:35):
>> >\penalty50
>> >\vskip3\baselineskip plus1fil
>> >\nobreak
>> >\vskip-3\baselineskip plus-1fil
>> >
>> >It is useful before section title etc. I believe it is implemented to
>> >ConTeXt, but I do not know the interface.
 >
> Actually, no! Both your responses help me out.
> 
> Could you explain your snippet of code? I don't quite know what 
> the \penalty50 means.

Penalty works for both vertical and horizontal mode.
Penalty is place where a break can occure (with some panalization).
Border values have these meanings:
   \penalty10000 => \nobreak,
   \penalty-10000 => force \break,
   \penalty0 => neutral value (same penalty as \par or space)

But, forget my 'solution', next example shows it does not work in 
ConTeXt (glues and penalty are not discarded at the top of next page). 
And in addition it has to cooperate with output routine (needs 
\raggedbotom).

Actually, Hans's \testpage is based on another trick (as I look up, it 
is defined by comparing \pagegoal and \pagetotal registers) and it is 
more general.

vit

-------------
\setuplayout[lines=10]

\showgrid

\starttext
   \dorecurse{9}{Line \recurselevel\hfill\break}%
   \par
   \penalty50
   \vskip 3\baselineskip
   \nobreak\vskip-3\baselineskip
   Hallo
\stoptext
-------------

Re: widow and orphan control

[Paul Tremblay]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 11:53:49AM +0200, Vit Zyka wrote:
> Vit Zyka wrote (11:35):
> >\penalty50
> >\vskip3\baselineskip plus1fil
> >\nobreak
> >\vskip-3\baselineskip plus-1fil
> >
> >It is useful before section title etc. I believe it is implemented to 
> >ConTeXt, but I do not know the interface.
> 

This didn't work for me. I did some of the other suggestions to work,
though. Thanks!

Paul

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Re: widow and orphan control

[Paul Tremblay]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 08:53:31AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> >What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much
> >space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small,
> >pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the title on
> >the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible]
> >
> >I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. 
> 
> \testpage[24pt]
> 
> 

This produces an unwanted "pt" in my text.

But if I use:

\testpage[3] 

I get some very interesting result. It almost seems from my tests that
ConTeXt will break if it can't put 3 more "lines" on the page. Almost,
anyway. If I have spaces as in:

\testpage[3]
Title\par
\blank[24pt]

The code doesn't quite work. It might even make an ugly orphan of poor
title. In that case I have to increase the option in \testpage to 5 or 6
to work. 

So what exactly does the argument stand for? This command might be
really useful.

Thanks

Paul

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Re: widow and orphan control

[Hans Hagen]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 08:53:31AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>>>What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much
>>>space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small,
>>>pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the title on
>>>the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible]
>>>
>>>I know nothing about writing macros, or if this is possible. 
>>
>>\testpage[24pt]
>>
>>
> 
> 
> This produces an unwanted "pt" in my text.
> 
> But if I use:
> 
> \testpage[3] 
> 
> I get some very interesting result. It almost seems from my tests that
> ConTeXt will break if it can't put 3 more "lines" on the page. Almost,
> anyway. If I have spaces as in:
> 
> \testpage[3]
> Title\par
> \blank[24pt]
> 
> The code doesn't quite work. It might even make an ugly orphan of poor
> title. In that case I have to increase the option in \testpage to 5 or 6
> to work. 

actually it's

\testpage[noflines][dimensions]

normally you will indeed use a value of 5 or 6 (whitespacee + title of two lines 
+ whitespace + first line of paragraph)

i don't know how you place titles, but why not:

\definesection[mytitle][subsubsubsubsubject]

\mytitle{...}

because that takes care of most situations

Hans


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Using modes

[Matthias Weber]

Hello,

when using modes, the names of all used modes are printed on the first 
page
of the document like

[screen]
[print]

etc.

What's the purpose, and how can I get rid of this?
I could see this being useful if the disabled modes were stricken out.

Thanks,

Matthias

Re: Using modes

[Willi Egger]

Hi Matthias

I see there is a problem in your case. Still it is not possible to give 
you a meaningful answer if there is no detailed information.

Could you provide a minimal example which is producing the mentioned 
bahviour?

Willi

Matthias Weber wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> when using modes, the names of all used modes are printed on the first page
> of the document like
> 
> [screen]
> [print]
> 
> etc.
> 
> What's the purpose, and how can I get rid of this?
> I could see this being useful if the disabled modes were stricken out.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Matthias
> 
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Re: Using modes

[Matthias Weber]

Hello Willi,

I have just change a major projects to modes, so in producing a minimal 
example
the effect takes a slightly different form:


\starttext

\disablemode[screen]
\enablemode[print]


\startmode[screen]
Screen Version
\stopmode[screen]

\startmode[print]
Print Version
\stopmode[print]

\stoptext



Matthias




On Apr 28, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Willi Egger wrote:

> Hi Matthias
>
> I see there is a problem in your case. Still it is not possible to 
> give you a meaningful answer if there is no detailed information.
>
> Could you provide a minimal example which is producing the mentioned 
> bahviour?
>
> Willi
>
> Matthias Weber wrote:
>> Hello,
>> when using modes, the names of all used modes are printed on the 
>> first page
>> of the document like
>> [screen]
>> [print]
>> etc.
>> What's the purpose, and how can I get rid of this?
>> I could see this being useful if the disabled modes were stricken out.
>> Thanks,
>> Matthias
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Re: Using modes

[Matthias Weber]

Hello again,

oh my, this was a stupid mistake. I added the
[screen] and [print] parameters to \stopmode.
No wonder that is what is being printed.

Sorry for the confusion!

Matthias


On Apr 28, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Willi Egger wrote:

> Hi Matthias
>
> I see there is a problem in your case. Still it is not possible to 
> give you a meaningful answer if there is no detailed information.
>
> Could you provide a minimal example which is producing the mentioned 
> bahviour?
>
> Willi
>
> Matthias Weber wrote:
>> Hello,
>> when using modes, the names of all used modes are printed on the 
>> first page
>> of the document like
>> [screen]
>> [print]
>> etc.
>> What's the purpose, and how can I get rid of this?
>> I could see this being useful if the disabled modes were stricken out.
>> Thanks,
>> Matthias
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>> ntg-context mailing list
>> ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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Re: Using modes

[David Munger]

Reminds me of this post:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20041101.205339.1e76d98d.html

I bet that is what we all do!

David

Matthias Weber :
> Hello again,
> 
> oh my, this was a stupid mistake. I added the
> [screen] and [print] parameters to \stopmode.
> No wonder that is what is being printed.
> 
> Sorry for the confusion!
> 
> Matthias

Re: widow and orphan control

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Paul,

> \clubpenalty=-600
> \widowpenalty=-600
>
> But this had no effect.


try inserting things like these after \starttext. There was a problem
on the mailinglist like this some time ago.

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Re: Re: widow and orphan control

[Paul Tremblay]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:31:07AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> 
> > \clubpenalty=-600
> > \widowpenalty=-600
> >
> > But this had no effect.
> 
> 
> try inserting things like these after \starttext. There was a problem
> on the mailinglist like this some time ago.
> 

Yes, that did the trick. Can anyone tell me if -600 is a reasonable
value? My tests seem to say so. There are at least 3 lines on the bottom
of my test page.

Thanks

Paul

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Re: widow and orphan control

[Vit Zyka]

Paul Tremblay wrote:
> What I would need is some type of macro that can determine how much
> space is left on the page. If the space is less than some small,
> pretermined amount (say, 24 points, for example), then put the title on
> the next page, or put in a \blank[24pt, flexible]

You can use the trick (untested):

\penalty50
\vskip3\baselineskip plus1fil
\nobreak
\vskip-3\baselineskip plus-1fil

It is useful before section title etc. I believe it is implemented to 
ConTeXt, but I do not know the interface.

vit

Re: widow and orphan control

[Paul Tremblay]

This works for LaTeX but not for ConTeXt:


 \widowpenalty=10000
\clubpenalty=10000
\flushbottom

ConTeXt has not \flushbottom command. The \flushbottom gives the heigh
flexibility.

Paul

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Re: widow and orphan control

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Paul,

> ConTeXt has not \flushbottom command. The \flushbottom gives the heigh
> flexibility.

what about looking in the wiki for \flushbottom?

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Re: Re: widow and orphan control

[Paul Tremblay]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:24:53AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> 
> > ConTeXt has not \flushbottom command. The \flushbottom gives the heigh
> > flexibility.
> 
> what about looking in the wiki for \flushbottom?
> 

Yes, I see:

\setupalign[line]

Though it turns out I don't need to use this to get the penalties to
work. Still, it is nice to know how to do this. I wasn't even aware that
ConTeXt wasn't pushing my text to the bottom of the page. 

I wonder how 

\pagesetup[width=middle] 

is going to affect all this? I hope not at all.

Paul


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