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Mon, 01 Apr 2024 02:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Otared Kavian Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.15\)) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 18:34:51 +0900 References: <1fa65e42-ad5d-48ad-b943-dad68a573342@xs4all.nl> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <1fa65e42-ad5d-48ad-b943-dad68a573342@xs4all.nl> Message-Id: <4256B7DD-1205-44E6-9259-8FDEAA41BBC6@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.15) Message-ID-Hash: QZWIPIZTWM3ARCLJWT3G5OYFGLOBYR3R X-Message-ID-Hash: QZWIPIZTWM3ARCLJWT3G5OYFGLOBYR3R X-MailFrom: otared@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: [NTG-context] Re: upload List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4672153187870257858==" --===============4672153187870257858== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6267616F-08FE-4EA3-B303-D74D4606228B" --Apple-Mail=_6267616F-08FE-4EA3-B303-D74D4606228B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Hans and Mikael, Thanks for the new module math-goodriddance !=20 Indeed there are many mathematicians who are going to use the = \goodriddancemath command, and no doubt they are going to thank you, = even if they are very shy to come out. Moreover this command can be used by people who want to transform the = output PDF into an audio file, because for instance the following=20 \usemodule[math-goodriddance] \goodriddancemath \starttext \startformula \int_{0}^{\pi} \sin(x)\dd x =3D 2. \stopformula \stoptext gives=20 integral from 0 to =F0=9D=9C=8B , of sin of =F0=9D=91=A5 d =F0=9D=91=A5 = equals 2=20 as one can see in the attached output which is very useful for the blind = using an audio software. Best regards: OK > On 1 Apr 2024, at 16:31, Hans Hagen wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > There is a new lmtx upload. >=20 > -- The svg inclusion via metapost has been upgraded and cleanup a bit, = using some more recent metapost features. There are some new (not yet = all documented metapost) features. >=20 > -- In the process, support for LCH colors has been added, which is = documented in the (eg luametafun manual). >=20 > -- The math manual is not yet there because we were distracted by = improving support for envelopes (penbased outlines) in metafun. This is = still work in progress, some is present and discussed in the manual, and = we'll come back to that sometime next month. Given the next item, we = also might need to change some in the manual (different focus). >=20 > -- Because we have users who have to conform to the European = Accessibility Act we have been wondering how to deal with that and at = Mikaels place there are two demands: distinctive colors and tagging and = especially math (somehow validators love to check that). Colors never = were an issue as they can be controlled, and tagging math neither, = especially because nothing was/is done with it anyway, but ... we are = happy that we found a reasonable (more modern and future proof) way out. >=20 > As explained / shown in the attached document we're basically forced = to choose a different approach with math (a pity as we worked hard to = get the rendering right but the attached file works fine in the viewers = that we tested). >=20 > -- We like to hear from users what other demands wrt accessibility = there are. We're not interested in the (commercial) big money aspects = (of pdf and tagging) nor in the politics behind it (changes over time). = What are the demands, so that we can see how to make it work or just = work around it (as it's kind of boring to cook uyp complex features = , esp compared to playing with metapost). >=20 > -- Furthermore .. the usual bits and pieces as discussed on the list = and otherwise. >=20 > -- If you have troubles (crash) you need to wipe the cache due to a = change in lua bytecode storage (no easy way to catch it). >=20 > Hans & Mikael >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl > = -----------------------------------------------------------------_____________________________________________= ______________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry = to the Wiki! >=20 > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / = https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl > webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net = (mirror) > archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context > wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net > = __________________________________________________________________________= _________ Otared Kavian e-mail: otared@gmail.com Phone: +33 6 88 26 70 95 --Apple-Mail=_6267616F-08FE-4EA3-B303-D74D4606228B Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FEE84F62-F778-42A7-8EA1-39E1BF42B5D6" --Apple-Mail=_FEE84F62-F778-42A7-8EA1-39E1BF42B5D6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Hans and Mikael,

Thanks for the new module math-goodriddance ! 
Indeed there are many mathematicians who are going to use the = \goodriddancemath command, and no doubt they are going to thank you, = even if they are very shy to come out.

Moreover this command can be used by = people who want to transform the output PDF into an audio file, because = for instance the following 

\usemodule[math-goodriddance]
\goodriddancemath

\starttext

\startformula
\int_{0}^{\pi} \sin(x)\dd x =3D 2.
\stopformula

\stoptext

gives 
=09 =09 =09

integral from 0 to =F0=9D=9C=8B , of sin of =F0=9D=91=A5 d = =F0=9D=91=A5 equals 2 

as one can see in the = attached output which is very useful for the blind using an audio = software.

Best = regards: OK

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On 1 Apr 2024, at 16:31, Hans = Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Hi,
There is a new lmtx upload.

-- The svg inclusion via metapost has been upgraded and = cleanup a bit, using some more recent metapost features. There are some = new (not yet all documented metapost) features.

-- In the process, support for LCH colors has been added, = which is documented in the (eg luametafun manual).

-- The math manual is not yet there because we were = distracted by improving support for envelopes (penbased outlines) in = metafun. This is still work in progress, some is present and discussed = in the manual, and we'll come back to that sometime next month. Given = the next item, we also might need to change some in the manual = (different focus).

-- Because we have users = who have to conform to the European Accessibility Act we have been = wondering how to deal with that and at Mikaels place there are two = demands: distinctive colors and tagging and especially math (somehow = validators love to check that). Colors never were an issue as they can = be controlled, and tagging math neither, especially because nothing = was/is done with it anyway, but ... we are happy that we found a = reasonable (more modern and future proof) way out.

As explained / shown in the attached document we're basically = forced to choose a different approach with math (a pity as we worked = hard to get the rendering right but the attached file works fine in the = viewers that we tested).

-- We like to hear = from users what other demands wrt accessibility there are. We're not = interested in the (commercial) big money aspects (of pdf and tagging) = nor in the politics behind it (changes over time). What are the demands, = so that we can see how to make it work or just work around it (as it's = kind of boring to cook uyp complex features , esp compared to playing with = metapost).

-- Furthermore .. the usual bits = and pieces as discussed on the list and otherwise.

-- If you have troubles (crash) you need to wipe the cache = due to a change in lua bytecode storage (no easy way to catch it).

Hans & Mikael

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