undefined guillemots

undefined guillemots

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Hi there!

AFAIK this should work:

\setuplanguage[de][
   leftquote=\guilsinglleft,
   rightquote=\guilsinglright,
   leftquotation=\guillemotleft,
   rightquotation=\guillemotright
]
%\mainlanguage[de]
\language[de]
\setupencoding  [default=ec]

\quotation{Doppelte Anführungszeichen}
\quote{Einfache Anführungszeichen}


But none of the guillemots seems to be defined:

! Undefined control sequence.
\@@ladeleftquotation ->\guillemotleft
\leftboundarycharacter #1#2->\languageparameter #1
                                                   \nobreak \hskip 
\hspaceamo...
\dodosymbol ...bol \csname \??ss :#1:#2\endcsname
                                                   \relax }\relax
\dosymbol ...fnosymbol \redosymbol \currentsymbol
                                                   \fi \fi
<to be read again>
                    \penalty
\dohandlequotation ...\strut \symbol [#1]\penalty
                                                   \!!tenthousand \hskip 
\quo...
...
l.12 \quotation
                {Doppelte Anführungszeichen}
?
! Emergency stop.


What can I do?

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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Re: undefined guillemots

[Steve Peter]

On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:37 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Hi there!
>
> AFAIK this should work:
>
> \setuplanguage[de][
>   leftquote=\guilsinglleft,
>   rightquote=\guilsinglright,
>   leftquotation=\guillemotleft,
>   rightquotation=\guillemotright
> ]

setuplanguage[de][
   leftquote=\guilsingleleft,
   rightquote=\guilsingleright,
   leftquotation=\leftguillemot,
   rightquotation=\rightguillemot
]

However, this brings up a more general issue (for Hans, especially). 
The symbol is called a guillemet, a diminutive of Guillaume (Le Be), 
the typographer. It has nothing to do with the French word for word, 
mot. :-)

Steve

Re: undefined guillemots

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 11.04.2005 um 20:58 schrieb Steve Peter:

>> \setuplanguage[de][
>>   leftquote=\guilsinglleft,
>>   rightquote=\guilsinglright,
>>   leftquotation=\guillemotleft,
>>   rightquotation=\guillemotright
>> ]
>
> setuplanguage[de][
>   leftquote=\guilsingleleft,
>   rightquote=\guilsingleright,
>   leftquotation=\leftguillemot,
>   rightquotation=\rightguillemot
> ]

Thank you!
But I'm confused - why there are two different names (I tried the names 
from the encodings)?

> However, this brings up a more general issue (for Hans, especially). 
> The symbol is called a guillemet, a diminutive of Guillaume (Le Be), 
> the typographer. It has nothing to do with the French word for word, 
> mot. :-)

Ask Google ;-)
guillemet: 63200 hits
guillemot: 1550000 hits
guillemets: 353000
guillemots: 52900

You are right that "e" is correct, but "o" is very usual, perhaps since 
centuries...


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Re: undefined guillemots

[Patrick Gundlach]

[...]

> However, this brings up a more general issue (for Hans, especially).
> The symbol is called a guillemet, a diminutive of Guillaume (Le Be),
> the typographer. It has nothing to do with the French word for word,
> mot. :-)

I guess you are right, but the Postscript Name for this glyph is
eg. guillemotleft, the unicode name (U+00AB) is 'Left Pointing
Guillemet', so guillemot is a slightly reasonable name for that glyph,
even if it is wrong ...


Patrick

PS: Thank you for the lesson, I didn't know that yet.
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Re: undefined guillemots

[Steve Peter]

On Apr 11, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Patrick Gundlach wrote:

> I guess you are right, but the Postscript Name for this glyph is
> eg. guillemotleft, the unicode name (U+00AB) is 'Left Pointing
> Guillemet', so guillemot is a slightly reasonable name for that glyph,
> even if it is wrong ...

I realize I will never be able to stamp out the incorrect word, but 
ConTeXt should at least allow the correct word to be used and resolve 
into the incorrect one :-) That much I do think should be added. 
Nothing will break and everyone should be happy.

Steve

Re: undefined guillemots

[Hans Hagen]

Steve Peter wrote:
> 
> On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:37 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 
>> Hi there!
>>
>> AFAIK this should work:
>>
>> \setuplanguage[de][
>>   leftquote=\guilsinglleft,
>>   rightquote=\guilsinglright,
>>   leftquotation=\guillemotleft,
>>   rightquotation=\guillemotright
>> ]
> 
> 
> setuplanguage[de][
>   leftquote=\guilsingleleft,
>   rightquote=\guilsingleright,
>   leftquotation=\leftguillemot,
>   rightquotation=\rightguillemot
> ]
> 
> However, this brings up a more general issue (for Hans, especially). The 
> symbol is called a guillemet, a diminutive of Guillaume (Le Be), the 
> typographer. It has nothing to do with the French word for word, mot. :-)

we already have (in enco-def):

\ifx\greeklamda\undefined \def\greeklamda{\greeklambda} \fi
\ifx\greekLamda\undefined \def\greekLamda{\greekLambda} \fi

and i've added:

\ifx\leftguillemet \undefined \def\leftguillemet {\leftguillemot } \fi
\ifx\rightguillemet\undefined \def\rightguillemet{\rightguillemot} \fi

Hans

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