Re: new beta

Re: new beta

[Johan Sandblom]

Sorry for going off topic, but since it is a concern ...

Using a linux distribution with an intelligent package/dependencies
handling system such as Gentoo or Debian would end your updating
woes for all time. In debian testing

apt-get install inkscape

downloads and installs inkscape 0.41 and updates all dependencies 
automatically and in Gentoo

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -ua inkscape

downloads the source of inkscape 0.41 and all required dependencies and 
compiles them (taking a lot of time of course). Without going to the 
testing distribution ("~x86") you get 0.37

Comparing the two, the debian testing distribution has never been less
than stable while gentoo testing is updated faster, but has given me trouble 
at some points.

Sorry for the noise if this is inappropriate information for this list,

Johan

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----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>
Date: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:33 am
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] new beta

> Paul Tremblay wrote:
> 
> > Is inkscape the beast that gave you so much trouble with the glib
> > library? I know I tried to install it and gave up after I couldn't
> > install glib. 
> 
> indeed, but since i use windows as production platform i can wait 
> till i've 
> updated the linux machines; i have no idea how well inkscape 
> installs on the mac
> 
> > Why did you choose inskscape? I thought inkscape is supposed to 
> be a
> > great gui svg-editor, but I wonder if you need all of its power just
> > to do a conversion. I use batik for my conversions, which is 
> part of
> > the apache project. Of course, it is written in java, which raises
> > other problems.
> 
> indeed, i find installing java programs (sometimes bigger than tex 
> collections) 
> with this classpath stuff often troublesome (unless there is an 
> installer, which 
> is often true for gui based programs);
> 
> concerning the alternatives: batik and imagemagick are not good 
> enough (hardly 
> maintained too); i ran a sample set of some 9000 svg graphics 
> trough the 
> converter tools and it worked ok with inkscape; it was also fast; 
> btw, some 
> versions give problems (0.41 is ok, 0.40 was bugged, 0.39 ok if i 
> remember right)
> 
> (the only drawback of inkscape is the clumsy command line print 
> feature, kind of 
> piping, while just writing to a file would have been nicer)
> 
> Hans
> 
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Re: new beta

[Taco Hoekwater]

Johan Sandblom wrote:
> Sorry for going off topic, but since it is a concern ...
 >
 > apt-get install inkscape
 >
 > downloads and installs inkscape 0.41 and updates all dependencies
 > automatically and in Gentoo

mandrake has urpmi:

   urpmi inkscape

which does installs, lookups, dependancy checks & auto-updates etc.,
much like apt-get.


Taco

Re: new beta [OFF TOPIC]

[luigi.scarso]

Johan Sandblom wrote:

>Sorry for going off topic, but since it is a concern ...
>
>Using a linux distribution with an intelligent package/dependencies
>handling system such as Gentoo or Debian would end your updating
>woes for all time. In debian testing
>
>apt-get install inkscape
>
>  
>
urpmq,urpmi, etc  under Mandrake10.1

>downloads and installs inkscape 0.41 and updates all dependencies 
>automatically and in Gentoo
>
>ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -ua inkscape
>
>downloads the source of inkscape 0.41 and all required dependencies and 
>compiles them (taking a lot of time of course). Without going to the 
>testing distribution ("~x86") you get 0.37
>
>  
>
almost the same for  mandrake 10.1 (0.39 for 10.1 )
(I don't like rc,community version , beta etc distro.)

luigi

Re: new beta

[Hans Hagen]

Johan Sandblom wrote:

>... 
> Comparing the two, the debian testing distribution has never been less
> than stable while gentoo testing is updated faster, but has given me trouble 
> at some points.
> 
> Sorry for the noise if this is inappropriate information for this list,

no problem; here i have been using suse for years; i am considering gentoo, but 
i'm not sure about it yet; suse only ships stable releases which is why updating 
  pieces of the system is tricky; the problem is (as always) in the gui part; 
somehow the interfaces to the libs change (too) often.

(one of the reasons for choosing suse is that it is very well equiped for 
european situations (modems, adsl, etc) and shipped with state of the art 
journaling filesystems like reiser as well as raid support; that time our 
webserver came with redhat ... well, that was a real pain, esp secutity updating 
     (unless one paid); suse's updating is automatic and ok)

Hans

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